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Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280762] |
Fri, 26 June 2015 08:38 |
C Boyd
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My 6cu ft 12V, 110 swing motor compressor type has a small leak. I have a low side service port where I have added dura cool and got it working, is there an optimum low pressure number? I have acquired a nice 6 cu ft Dometic propane RM 2620 that almost cools good enough. It is 9" taller. I'm gonna flip it today and see if it helps. I read i may have to flip it a few times till I can hear the liquis gurgling down freely? Will I have to space it out from the cabinet ? I have a 23 ft Crestmont, fridge is over the bogies on pass side.
Any input or speriences appreciated..
C. Boyd
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East Tennessee
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280771 is a reply to message #280762] |
Fri, 26 June 2015 09:39 |
rcjordan
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>may have to flip it a few times
I don't know jack about the pressure number, but I did once overhear JimB mentioning he had the crew flip a refer a few times to get it to work.
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280772 is a reply to message #280762] |
Fri, 26 June 2015 10:19 |
lqqkatjon
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not sure if the flipping with solve anything and for how long it will be fixed, but it is worth a try.
But you said it "almost cools". from my research, if the cooling unit is bad, it is bad, and you get No cools. the "almost cools", I would think is more related to the heater, or the propane pressure, or other function that flipping would not solve. That is a good thing, because that problem I think is easier to fix, then if the cooling unit is clogged or leaking.
as far as the height for the rm2620, I looked up the Dometic replacement chart, and it shows it as a 49 1/2" tall unit x 21 3/4 wide and 24 in deep.
now I have no idea the size of your swing compressor fridge, because If you are saying the rm2620 is taller, you do not have the same size 12/110v swing compressor norcold as my palm beach. but just for thought, there is plenty of room for that rm2620 between the bogies and the ceiling. I am installing a rm2652 in my palm beach, and it is about 54 inches tall, and 24" deep and wide, and it about the max that will fit between the bogies and the ceiling.
Jon Roche
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EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280780 is a reply to message #280762] |
Fri, 26 June 2015 12:28 |
A Hamilto
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C Boyd wrote on Fri, 26 June 2015 08:38My 6cu ft 12V, 110 swing motor compressor type has a small leak. I have a low side service port where I have added dura cool and got it working, is there an optimum low pressure number?... I don't know refrigeration, and my mind is mush today, so all the useful info at http://www.duracool.com/charts.html is just going over my head. Looking at the chart at http://www.duracool.com/chart.html I would guess you are looking for pressure on the low side between 7.3 PSI and 21.8 PSI. Seems like a freezer has to be around 10 - 15F to keep ice cream frozen (is that correct?). From the chart, I don't know which number, bubble temp or dew temp, is the evaporator. You will need to put a thermometer in your residential freezer to see where it ranges, and then adjust the Duracool in the swing motor until you get it about the same.
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280802 is a reply to message #280784] |
Fri, 26 June 2015 17:08 |
C Boyd
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Yes, Wally has his boys look at it last year, they added the service port and got it working. They charged it with real12, when it got low, I just added dura cool. So it is a mix. I got a hunch I got it over charged as the low side was bout 30. I was rethinking 0-10 maybe.
A Hamilto wrote on Fri, 26 June 2015 13:47And another thing. It was originally charged with R12, so you charged it with Duracool 12a, right? Not 22a?
C. Boyd
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East Tennessee
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280804 is a reply to message #280762] |
Fri, 26 June 2015 17:53 |
Chris Tyler
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Inverting or 'Burping' an absorbation type refer will work if it has a gas pocket. If it is an actual blockage prob not.
But as someone mentioned, if its trying to work it is likely another issue
Make sure your orifice is clean, the flame blue and the LP pressure ~11 inches WC
Also run a cleaning brush down the flue to remove scale and spider webs - prob the most common problem
76 Glenbrook
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280827 is a reply to message #280762] |
Sat, 27 June 2015 05:56 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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You guys are really confusing two different type of refrigerators. The compressor type uses R-12 while the other one is an absorption one using ammonia and a completely different cooling system.
On the R-12 one the pressure determines the evaporation temperature point. The lower the pressure the colder the box will run. If it has a freezer then you want it to maintain about 0 degrees F in the freezer. I just looked at the pressure chart for R-12 and it says you want about 9.1 PSI to the evaporator for pure R-12. I then looked at a chart for Duracool and it says a pressure 0 PSI will give you -9.76F while a pressure of 7.3 will give you a temperature of +8.6F. So for pure Duracool you want something somewhere in the middle between 0 and 7.3 PSI.
Since you have a mix of R-12 and Durcool I would guess that you want something less that 9PSI to start with and reduce it as necessary from there until you get the operating temperature that you want.
On the absorption one you could try putting it upside down for a while to see if it frees up any clogs or gas trap and then go from there. Normal repair procedure is to replace the entire cooling unit. You do not install a service port or charge an absorption refrigerator with Duracool or R-12. It has an ammonia based refrigerant and works on an entirely different cooling principle.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280843 is a reply to message #280838] |
Sat, 27 June 2015 11:33 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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My my freezer thermometer suggests 0F as ideal temp. It also suggests 36 to 40 as ideal in the refrigerator. So that is where I run them.
From the Internet:
-18° C
Keep the refrigerator temperature at or below 40° F (4° C). The freezer temperature should be 0° F (-18° C). Check temperatures periodically. Appliance thermometers are the best way of knowing these temperatures and are generally inexpensive.Jan 20, 2015
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #280844 is a reply to message #280843] |
Sat, 27 June 2015 11:42 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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Also every refrigerator that I have ever repaired suggested the same numbers. So I recharge them for something below 0 F and let the thermostat take care of it from there. The last couple of refrigerators I worked on were R-134 and not R-12.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #281032 is a reply to message #281003] |
Mon, 29 June 2015 18:50 |
A Hamilto
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A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 29 June 2015 13:20I have been working on a Norcold DE726 out of a 1973 Sequoia off and on for the past couple of weeks. Nothing really wrong with the mechanicals, but the bottom trim plate on the door was rusted away and the door seal/gasket distorted (partly because of the rusted trim plate, partly from a wasp nest that the door was closed on for who-knows-how-long, and partly from a PO that tried to glue the gasket in place with what appears to be PVC cement). Unfortunately, the door gasket is pretty inflexible from decades of sitting in a hot vehicle, and I am not having much luck straightening it out. The door panel had been vandalized by a clueless brat with a spray can. And I still have to figure out how to get that PVC cement out of the gasket groove.
Got the door panel sanded smooth and painted with white semigloss interior latex (that's what I had on hand, and what I have to use since the CFO stopped cut off my GMC allowance). Used some creativity and painters tape to get a reasonable door seal for testing purposes.
Brought it in from the carport where it was about 85F to the house where it is 75F, set the thermostat for 3 and plugged it in. An hour later the fridge was at 55F and the thermostat turned it off. I just turned it down to 4 and it started running again. Will let it run until the thermostat turns it off again and see how long it takes and what temp the fridge is at then. It got down to a little under 50F at a setting of 4. Turned it to 5 and it eventually got down to 40F plus or minus (39.7 to 40.1). The thermostat calls for cooling at 40.1 and shuts off at 39.7.
The freezer is still getting colder with time. Every time the thermostat calls for cooling, it is a little colder than the last time it called for cooling, and when it shuts off, it is a little colder than before. After a little less than 7 hours of cycling, the freezer is at 13.3F.
It appears if I want the fridge a couple of degrees cooler, or the freezer colder, I would have to replace the thermostat.
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #281035 is a reply to message #281032] |
Mon, 29 June 2015 19:10 |
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Matt Colie
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You have been more successful than I. I got it stabilized to cool the freezer to about 15°F, but I wanted better. I ran out of time and tried first one and then another dorm reefer run from a modified square inverter, and Mary likes the second too much to even think about putting the old NO-Cold back in.
Matt
A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 29 June 2015 19:50A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 29 June 2015 13:20I have been working on a Norcold DE726 out of a 1973 Sequoia off and on for the past couple of weeks. Nothing really wrong with the mechanicals, but the bottom trim plate on the door was rusted away and the door seal/gasket distorted (partly because of the rusted trim plate, partly from a wasp nest that the door was closed on for who-knows-how-long, and partly from a PO that tried to glue the gasket in place with what appears to be PVC cement). Unfortunately, the door gasket is pretty inflexible from decades of sitting in a hot vehicle, and I am not having much luck straightening it out. The door panel had been vandalized by a clueless brat with a spray can. And I still have to figure out how to get that PVC cement out of the gasket groove.
Got the door panel sanded smooth and painted with white semigloss interior latex (that's what I had on hand, and what I have to use since the CFO stopped cut off my GMC allowance). Used some creativity and painters tape to get a reasonable door seal for testing purposes.
Brought it in from the carport where it was about 85F to the house where it is 75F, set the thermostat for 3 and plugged it in. An hour later the fridge was at 55F and the thermostat turned it off. I just turned it down to 4 and it started running again. Will let it run until the thermostat turns it off again and see how long it takes and what temp the fridge is at then. It got down to a little under 50F at a setting of 4. Turned it to 5 and it eventually got down to 40F plus or minus (39.7 to 40.1). The thermostat calls for cooling at 40.1 and shuts off at 39.7.
The freezer is still getting colder with time. Every time the thermostat calls for cooling, it is a little colder than the last time it called for cooling, and when it shuts off, it is a little colder than before. After a little less than 7 hours of cycling, the freezer is at 13.3F.
It appears if I want the fridge a couple of degrees cooler, or the freezer colder, I would have to replace the thermostat.
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: Fridge charge with dura cool [message #281039 is a reply to message #281035] |
Mon, 29 June 2015 20:19 |
A Hamilto
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Matt Colie wrote on Mon, 29 June 2015 19:10You have been more successful than I. I got it stabilized to cool the freezer to about 15°F, but I wanted better. I ran out of time and tried first one and then another dorm reefer run from a modified square inverter, and Mary likes the second too much to even think about putting the old NO-Cold back in.
Matt There is nothing wrong with a dorm fridge if it is energy efficient enough, or you don't dry camp. Actually, I would probably change to a propane fridge if I thought I was going to be off commercial power for days at a stretch. I wouldn't like running the Onan to recharge the house battery, and solar panels need to be in the sun, which adds complications, and a smaller genset is just one more thing to have to fit in limited storage space.
It has been fun tinkering with this one, and it works fine. If I can get the groove in the door cleaned out and the gasket to seal without having to tape it to the door, I am going to install it in the Sequioa.
What dissolves PVC cement that won't eat up the door plastic?
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