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Tue, 23 June 2015 11:40  |
pzerkel
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So I have decided to try to get my dash a/c working. The belt has been off the compressor for quite a long time, but I was able to turn the drive plate by hand.
First order of business is getting a belt the right size. Several trips to parts store and I decided 61 5/8" is the length. Mine is a 78 coach, but some PO had installed a 455 (so I never know what stuff fits).
I have read several of the threads about 7/16" belts and 10 mm wrenches. The local Oreeilly's has two choices. One is a house brand "MasterPro" belt (cost about $5), the other is a Gates brand (cost ~$21). The thing is a 10 mm wrench does fit over the Gates belt, but does not fit over the cheaper MasterPro belt.
I ended up buying both of them. I am not sure which is really the better choice. I would be interested in hearing what the opinions are. For now (as I am just testing trying to get some cold air) I have installed the cheaper, but wider MasterPro belt.
At least I can start troubleshooting the rest of the a/c system now.
Paul Zerkel
'78 Eleganza II
Salisbury IL (near Springfield)
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280573 is a reply to message #280569] |
Tue, 23 June 2015 12:23  |
Ken Henderson
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Use the wider belt; return the narrow one. Get a spare wider one (after
it's proven to fit properly).
JWID,
Ken H.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Paul Zerkel wrote:
> So I have decided to try to get my dash a/c working. The belt has been off
> the compressor for quite a long time, but I was able to turn the drive
> plate by hand.
>
> First order of business is getting a belt the right size. Several trips to
> parts store and I decided 61 5/8" is the length. Mine is a 78 coach, but
> some PO had installed a 455 (so I never know what stuff fits).
>
> I have read several of the threads about 7/16" belts and 10 mm wrenches.
> The local Oreeilly's has two choices. One is a house brand "MasterPro" belt
> (cost about $5), the other is a Gates brand (cost ~$21). The thing is a 10
> mm wrench does fit over the Gates belt, but does not fit over the cheaper
> MasterPro belt.
>
> I ended up buying both of them. I am not sure which is really the better
> choice. I would be interested in hearing what the opinions are. For now (as
> I
> am just testing trying to get some cold air) I have installed the cheaper,
> but wider MasterPro belt.
>
> At least I can start troubleshooting the rest of the a/c system now.
> --
> Paul Zerkel
> '78 Eleganza II
> Salisbury IL (near Springfield)
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280606 is a reply to message #280597] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 06:03 |
Ken Henderson
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Try this site for 'most any belt you want at a good price. I haven't
bought automotive belts from them, but I have been VERY happy with their
Kevlar belts for my ZTR mower.
http://www.vbeltsupply.com/
Ken H.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Terry wrote:
> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough power
> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts stores
> even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to the gauge
> needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge belt...guys at
> the
> parts store didn't know what I was talking about. Guestimation combined
> with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me the right size for the
> compressor
> pulley and almost the center of the belt adjustment. A little big on the
> water pump, but no more slipping, squealing, or short-term belt stretching
> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those little
> rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was $20 or so...
> 8)
> --
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280607 is a reply to message #280597] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 06:44 |
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http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
See page 2
bdub
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry wrote:
> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough power
> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts stores
> even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to the gauge
> needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge belt...guys at
> the
> parts store didn't know what I was talking about. Guestimation combined
> with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me the right size for the
> compressor
> pulley and almost the center of the belt adjustment. A little big on the
> water pump, but no more slipping, squealing, or short-term belt stretching
> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those little
> rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was $20 or so...
> 8)
> --
> Terry Kelpien
> ASE Master Technician
> 73 Glacier 260
> Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280612 is a reply to message #280607] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 08:56 |
Mr ERFisher
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That is cool -- who did that?
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Billy Massey wrote:
> http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
> See page 2
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> bdub
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> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry > wrote:
>
>> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough
> power
>> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts stores
>> even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to the gauge
>> needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge belt...guys at
>> the
>> parts store didn't know what I was talking about. Guestimation combined
>> with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me the right size for the
>> compressor
>> pulley and almost the center of the belt adjustment. A little big on the
>> water pump, but no more slipping, squealing, or short-term belt
> stretching
>> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those little
>> rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was $20 or
> so...
>> 8)
>> --
>> Terry Kelpien
>> ASE Master Technician
>> 73 Glacier 260
>> Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280614 is a reply to message #280612] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 09:00 |
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I did.
:-)
bdub
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of gene Fisher
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality
That is cool -- who did that?
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Billy Massey wrote:
> http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
> See page 2
>
> bdub
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry > wrote:
>
>> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough
> power
>> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts
>> stores even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to
>> the gauge needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge
>> belt...guys at the parts store didn't know what I was talking about.
>> Guestimation combined with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me
>> the right size for the compressor pulley and almost the center of
>> the belt adjustment. A little big on the water pump, but no more
>> slipping, squealing, or short-term belt
> stretching
>> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those
>> little rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was
>> $20 or
> so...
>> 8)
>> --
>> Terry Kelpien
>> ASE Master Technician
>> 73 Glacier 260
>> Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280616 is a reply to message #280614] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 09:04 |
Mr ERFisher
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Neat
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Billy Massey wrote:
> I did.
>
> :-)
> bdub
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> Behalf Of gene Fisher
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality
>
> That is cool -- who did that?
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Billy Massey
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
>> See page 2
>>
>> bdub
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough
>> power
>>> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts
>>> stores even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to
>>> the gauge needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge
>>> belt...guys at the parts store didn't know what I was talking about.
>>> Guestimation combined with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me
>>> the right size for the compressor pulley and almost the center of
>>> the belt adjustment. A little big on the water pump, but no more
>>> slipping, squealing, or short-term belt
>> stretching
>>> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those
>>> little rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was
>>> $20 or
>> so...
>>> 8)
>>> --
>>> Terry Kelpien
>>> ASE Master Technician
>>> 73 Glacier 260
>>> Smithfield, Va.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280624 is a reply to message #280607] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 10:51 |
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Excellent Billy! Now I just need to print that little educational guide out and post a copy in each of the local auto parts stores! Most people don't realize that the belts derive their "grip" from the "V" wedge action. The same is true for serpentine belts, just on a smaller scale and multiplied by the number of grooves.
The pulley on my A/C compressor is so wide and deep that it needed to have the 17/32 size belt, the 15 size belts would slip on that pulley on engagement unless I made them tight enough to make the top of the belt dished (concave). That's too tight for the belt and not good for bearings on the water pump or the compressor. The rest of the engine and accessory pulleys need the 15/32 belt, except for the A/C drive pulley on the crank, which is a little wider. It's still not the width of the compressor pulley. though, so maybe the compressor was replaced many years ago by a previous owner/technician. The alternator also has a wide, sheet metal type of pulley on it, but it seems to agree with the 15 size and transmits power without slipping or being excessively tight.
Terry Kelpien
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280632 is a reply to message #280624] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 11:36 |
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Bullitthead wrote on Wed, 24 June 2015 09:51Excellent Billy! Now I just need to print that little educational guide out and post a copy in each of the local auto parts stores! Most people don't realize that the belts derive their "grip" from the "V" wedge action. The same is true for serpentine belts, just on a smaller scale and multiplied by the number of grooves.
The pulley on my A/C compressor is so wide and deep that it needed to have the 17/32 size belt, the 15 size belts would slip on that pulley on engagement unless I made them tight enough to make the top of the belt dished (concave). That's too tight for the belt and not good for bearings on the water pump or the compressor. The rest of the engine and accessory pulleys need the 15/32 belt, except for the A/C drive pulley on the crank, which is a little wider. It's still not the width of the compressor pulley. though, so maybe the compressor was replaced many years ago by a previous owner/technician. The alternator also has a wide, sheet metal type of pulley on it, but it seems to agree with the 15 size and transmits power without slipping or being excessively tight.
I think many people get frustrated and go to dual pulleys because the single pulley is worn causing the belt to run on the bottom.
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280638 is a reply to message #280607] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 12:07 |
Ken Henderson
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Billy,
My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation for
the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long. :-(
Otherwise, great work -- wish the parts counter people could understand
that code! :-)
Ken H.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Billy Massey wrote:
> http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
> See page 2
>
> bdub
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry wrote:
>
>> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough
> power
>> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts stores
>> even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to the gauge
>> needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge belt...guys at
>> the
>> parts store didn't know what I was talking about. Guestimation combined
>> with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me the right size for the
>> compressor
>> pulley and almost the center of the belt adjustment. A little big on the
>> water pump, but no more slipping, squealing, or short-term belt
> stretching
>> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those little
>> rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was $20 or
> so...
>> 8)
>> --
>> Terry Kelpien
>> ASE Master Technician
>> 73 Glacier 260
>> Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280640 is a reply to message #280638] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 12:30 |
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Hi Ken,
Just want to clarify the following item:
My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation for
the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long.
What is the minor error?
Billy produced this item and included in the GMCMI Parts Interchange a
couple of years ago and if there is an error, I would like to correct it.
Thank you.
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Billy,
>
> My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation for
> the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long. :-(
>
> Otherwise, great work -- wish the parts counter people could understand
> that code! :-)
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Billy Massey wrote:
>
>> http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
>> See page 2
>>
>> bdub
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry wrote:
>>
>>> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough
>> power
>>> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts
> stores
>>> even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to the gauge
>>> needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge belt...guys
> at
>>> the
>>> parts store didn't know what I was talking about. Guestimation combined
>>> with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me the right size for the
>>> compressor
>>> pulley and almost the center of the belt adjustment. A little big on
> the
>>> water pump, but no more slipping, squealing, or short-term belt
>> stretching
>>> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those little
>>> rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was $20 or
>> so...
>>> 8)
>>> --
>>> Terry Kelpien
>>> ASE Master Technician
>>> 73 Glacier 260
>>> Smithfield, Va.
>>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280642 is a reply to message #280632] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 13:40 |
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Bob,
While that may be the case in many instances, I know it wasn't in mine.
If you have a 23 with new GG2s up front, an electric refrigerator and you dry camp, that poor alternator gets asked for near 100 amps on a cold start. From significant experience putting large alternators on small boat diesels, 100amps will tear up a single belt. Even running the belt as tight as I dared, it would make noise and not last very long. Yes, I know it is only supposed to be good for 80 amp, but with those two banks to satisfy and the short cables too... "Hang on Mabel". (I did actually measure 98+ for about three minutes of squealing.) That belt is also an SOB (not some other brand) to replace. I can't get a belt part the fan blades and it IS the Inside belt.
What is ironic is that I have the opposite problem trying to recharge from the APU. The PD9245 is in the back and has 18 ft of SAE 10 wire to the house bank. The best I can get ever is about 30 amps charging. So, I have made provision to move the converter to the front and run to the house bank with so gunga momma copper.
Matt
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Wed, 24 June 2015 12:36I think many people get frustrated and go to dual pulleys because the single pulley is worn causing the belt to run on the bottom.
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280645 is a reply to message #280640] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 14:43 |
Ken Henderson
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Kim,
You obviously didn't read the text! :-)
The whole point of the text is that the last 3 digits represent the length
of the belt in 10ths of an inch. In other words, "540" = 54.0 inches, NOT
45.0 inches. :-) Tut-tut; you'll have me talking about "Girls don't know
technical" again. :-))
Ken H
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kimberlea Weeks
wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Just want to clarify the following item:
> My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation for
> the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long.
>
> What is the minor error?
>
> Billy produced this item and included in the GMCMI Parts Interchange a
> couple of years ago and if there is an error, I would like to correct it.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> *Thank you for being a member and supporting the GMC Motorhome lifestyle.*
>
> *Kimberlea Weeks*
> VP Administration and Convention Manager
> 612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
>
> *GMC Motorhomes International*
> 1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
>
> *We invite you to join us at all of our events!*
>
> *GMCMI 2015 Fall Convention* | Friday, September 25 to Thursday, October 1
> Central States Fairgrounds | Rapid City, South Dakota
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> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ken Henderson
> wrote:
>
>> Billy,
>>
>> My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation for
>> the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long. :-(
>>
>> Otherwise, great work -- wish the parts counter people could understand
>> that code! :-)
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Billy Massey wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
>>> See page 2
>>>
>>> bdub
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry wrote:
>>>
>>>> I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get enough
>>> power
>>>> transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts
>> stores
>>>> even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to the gauge
>>>> needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge
> belt...guys
>> at
>>>> the
>>>> parts store didn't know what I was talking about. Guestimation
> combined
>>>> with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me the right size for the
>>>> compressor
>>>> pulley and almost the center of the belt adjustment. A little big on
>> the
>>>> water pump, but no more slipping, squealing, or short-term belt
>>> stretching
>>>> going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those
> little
>>>> rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was $20 or
>>> so...
>>>> 8)
>>>> --
>>>> Terry Kelpien
>>>> ASE Master Technician
>>>> 73 Glacier 260
>>>> Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280648 is a reply to message #280645] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 14:50 |
Kimberlea Weeks
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Thanks for the information, I will get it corrected and I learned something
new today.
p.s. Be careful, there are a lot lady owners/mechanics out there and they
are willing to learn. *(-:*
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Kim,
>
> You obviously didn't read the text! :-)
>
> The whole point of the text is that the last 3 digits represent the length
> of the belt in 10ths of an inch. In other words, "540" = 54.0 inches, NOT
> 45.0 inches. :-) Tut-tut; you'll have me talking about "Girls don't know
> technical" again. :-))
>
> Ken H
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kimberlea Weeks
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> Just want to clarify the following item:
>> My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation for
>> the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long.
>>
>> What is the minor error?
>>
>> Billy produced this item and included in the GMCMI Parts Interchange a
>> couple of years ago and if there is an error, I would like to correct it.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Thank you for being a member and supporting the GMC Motorhome
> lifestyle.*
>>
>> *Kimberlea Weeks*
>> VP Administration and Convention Manager
>> 612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
>>
>> *GMC Motorhomes International*
>> 1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
>>
>> *We invite you to join us at all of our events!*
>>
>> *GMCMI 2015 Fall Convention* | Friday, September 25 to Thursday, October
> 1
>> Central States Fairgrounds | Rapid City, South Dakota
>>
>> *GMCMI 2016 Spring Convention* | Friday, April 8 to Thursday, April 15
>> National Peanut Festival Grounds | Dothan, Alabama
>>
>> *GMCMI 2016 Fall Convention* | Friday, September 30 to Thursday, October
> 6
>> Richland County Fairgrounds | Mansfield, Ohio
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ken Henderson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Billy,
>>>
>>> My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation
> for
>>> the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long. :-(
>>>
>>> Otherwise, great work -- wish the parts counter people could understand
>>> that code! :-)
>>>
>>> Ken H.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Billy Massey wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.bdub.net/Belts.pdf
>>>> See page 2
>>>>
>>>> bdub
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Terry
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I put a lawn mower drive belt on my A/C after I could not get
> enough
>>>> power
>>>> > transmission with the belts recommended and sold by all the parts
>>> stores
>>>> > even when they were the correct length. Just weren't up to the
> gauge
>>>> > needed for that 6 cylinder compressor. Needed a "17" gauge
>> belt...guys
>>> at
>>>> > the
>>>> > parts store didn't know what I was talking about. Guestimation
>> combined
>>>> > with the belt gauge at Tractor Supply got me the right size for the
>>>> > compressor
>>>> > pulley and almost the center of the belt adjustment. A little big
> on
>>> the
>>>> > water pump, but no more slipping, squealing, or short-term belt
>>>> stretching
>>>> > going on anymore! It doesn't have to be nearly as tight as those
>> little
>>>> > rubber bands, and it's a really heavy duty belt, think it was $20
> or
>>>> so...
>>>> > 8)
>>>> > --
>>>> > Terry Kelpien
>>>> > ASE Master Technician
>>>> > 73 Glacier 260
>>>> > Smithfield, Va.
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > GMCnet mailing list
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>>>> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280651 is a reply to message #280642] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 15:13 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 24 June 2015 12:40Bob,
While that may be the case in many instances, I know it wasn't in mine.
If you have a 23 with new GG2s up front, an electric refrigerator and you dry camp, that poor alternator gets asked for near 100 amps on a cold start. From significant experience putting large alternators on small boat diesels, 100amps will tear up a single belt. Even running the belt as tight as I dared, it would make noise and not last very long. Yes, I know it is only supposed to be good for 80 amp, but with those two banks to satisfy and the short cables too... "Hang on Mabel". (I did actually measure 98+ for about three minutes of squealing.) That belt is also an SOB (not some other brand) to replace. I can't get a belt part the fan blades and it IS the Inside belt.
What is ironic is that I have the opposite problem trying to recharge from the APU. The PD9245 is in the back and has 18 ft of SAE 10 wire to the house bank. The best I can get ever is about 30 amps charging. So, I have made provision to move the converter to the front and run to the house bank with so gunga momma copper.
Matt
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Wed, 24 June 2015 12:36I think many people get frustrated and go to dual pulleys because the single pulley is worn causing the belt to run on the bottom.
I've been running the 100 amp alternator for years and I have 4 12V coach batteries. I dry camp almost exclusively and have never heard boo from the belts nor have I had to replace them other than preventive maintenance. I guess our experiences differ--not sure why though:)
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality [message #280654 is a reply to message #280645] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 15:38 |
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The error is on Page 2.
The "industrial/implement" belt for the power steering should be an A53!
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> From: hend4800@bellsouth.net
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:43:38 -0400
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] belts-size vs. quality
>
> Kim,
>
> You obviously didn't read the text! :-)
>
> The whole point of the text is that the last 3 digits represent the length
> of the belt in 10ths of an inch. In other words, "540" = 54.0 inches, NOT
> 45.0 inches. :-) Tut-tut; you'll have me talking about "Girls don't know
> technical" again. :-))
>
> Ken H
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kimberlea Weeks
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> Just want to clarify the following item:
>> My eye immediately fell on one minor error: The code interpretation for
>> the A/C belt says the 15540 belt is 45" long.
>>
>> What is the minor error?
>>
>> Billy produced this item and included in the GMCMI Parts Interchange a
>> couple of years ago and if there is an error, I would like to correct it.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Thank you for being a member and supporting the GMC Motorhome lifestyle.*
>>
>> *Kimberlea Weeks*
>> VP Administration and Convention Manager
>> 612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
>>
>> *GMC Motorhomes International*
>> 1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
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| Re: belts-size vs. quality [message #280661 is a reply to message #280569] |
Wed, 24 June 2015 17:28 |
jhbridges
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Well, at 100 Amps load, you're generating ~~1500 Watts or a bit less. Roughly two horsepower. If the alternator converts at 80%, two and a half HP to spin it. That ought to be within the capability of a single belt properly fitted. Mine will pin a 60 Amp meter silently and without fuss using the new proper size belt. The old belt was too narrow, squealed under load, and failed on me.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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