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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280022 is a reply to message #280021] |
Tue, 16 June 2015 12:14   |
Carl S.
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BobDunahugh wrote on Tue, 16 June 2015 09:56I'm not up on Buick's from the 70's. Was the Olds 455 used in any Buick's?Bob Dunahugh
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Pretty sure Buick had their own 455. So did Pontiac. Seems like a weird way to do business, but that's how the different GM divisions did it back then.
Carl Stouffer
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280024 is a reply to message #280021] |
Tue, 16 June 2015 12:20 |
habbyguy
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What Carl said...
OTOH, the 403 (in the late '77 and all '78 GMCs) was known as a "corporate motor" and showed up across a lot of GM product lines. That's a good thing, because it means we have a lot more options when we go to the men's mall (aka junkyard) for parts.
Here's a quickie list of vehicles that might have a 403...
1977 Cutlass, Vista Cruiser, Delta 88, Custom Cruiser, 98, Toronado, Electra 225, Bonneville
1978 Delta 88, Custom Cruiser, 98, Toronado
1979 Custom Cruiser, 98
(didn't mean to hijack the thread, but this might come in handy for someone some day).
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280026 is a reply to message #280022] |
Tue, 16 June 2015 12:37 |
James Hupy
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They didn't always. GMC pickups used Pontiac v8 engines with Hydramatic
transmissions in 55 -56. Engines weren't 455's, but smaller displacement.
Later GMC and Chevrolet pickups used Chevrolet V8 coupled with TH 350 and
TH 400 turbohydramatic transmissions. GMC made their own inline 6's. 248
and 302 cubic inch versions. Chevrolet used their own inline 6. Buick
always used their own engines in their cars. Old nailheads up through the
401 cubic in. engines, then a 400 and 455. Also a 350 was available Buick
built. There was a 2 or 3 year period where General Motors tried out a
CORPORATE Chevrolet V8 in all brands, including Cadillac. That didn't last
long. Consumers went Batsh#* when they found out their Caddy's had a
Chevrolet engine. I cannot ever remember a Buick engine being used by any
other division.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Jun 16, 2015 10:15 AM, "Carl Stouffer" wrote:
> BobDunahugh wrote on Tue, 16 June 2015 09:56
>> I'm not up on Buick's from the 70's. Was the Olds 455 used in any
> Buick's?Bob Dunahugh
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> Pretty sure Buick had their own 455. So did Pontiac. Seems like a weird
> way to do business, but that's how the different GM divisions did it back
> then.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280037 is a reply to message #280021] |
Tue, 16 June 2015 16:38 |
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Im pretty sure some of late 70s Pontiac Firebird Trans Ams could be had with a "Corporate Olds 403"
John and Cathie Heslinga
1974 Canyonlands 260
455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280040 is a reply to message #280037] |
Tue, 16 June 2015 17:08 |
Guy Lopes
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You are correct! I owned a 1977 Trans Am and a 1978 Formula Firebird. Both
had the Olds 403.
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
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Im pretty sure some of late 70s Pontiac Firebird Trans Ams could be had with
a "Corporate Olds 403"
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1974 Canyonlands 260
455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280043 is a reply to message #280021] |
Tue, 16 June 2015 17:24 |
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Are you sure with the 77 T/A? As far as I knew, 77s were all still poncho motors. Same with 78 T/A. Not sure with other models. In 79, the manual T/As had pontiac 400s, autos got 403s. 80 and 81 were all Olds engines
But getting back to the original thread, no, never seen a buick in anything else.
Buick 455s are great engines for a street car. Probably not for a 12000# GMC though.
76 Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280045 is a reply to message #280043] |
Tue, 16 June 2015 17:32 |
Guy Lopes
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Though this was around 1985, I am positive. Apparently California and high
altitude T/As received the Olds 403. I just looked up the Wikipedia which
confirms this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird#Engines_2
Wishing I still had either of those Firebirds...
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
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Are you sure with the 77 T/A? As far as I knew, 77s were all still poncho
motors. Same with 78 T/A. Not sure with other models. In 79, the manual T/As
had pontiac 400s, autos got 403s. 80 and 81 were all Olds engines
But getting back to the original thread, no, never seen a buick in anything
else.
Buick 455s are great engines for a street car. Probably not for a 12000# GMC
though.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280096 is a reply to message #280026] |
Wed, 17 June 2015 08:38 |
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Rover had the 218 alloy v8 ;-)
Also used in the Pontiac and Oldsmobile's of the early 1960s.
On Jun 16, 2015 10:38, "James Hupy" wrote:
> They didn't always. GMC pickups used Pontiac v8 engines with Hydramatic
> transmissions in 55 -56. Engines weren't 455's, but smaller displacement.
> Later GMC and Chevrolet pickups used Chevrolet V8 coupled with TH 350 and
> TH 400 turbohydramatic transmissions. GMC made their own inline 6's. 248
> and 302 cubic inch versions. Chevrolet used their own inline 6. Buick
> always used their own engines in their cars. Old nailheads up through the
> 401 cubic in. engines, then a 400 and 455. Also a 350 was available Buick
> built. There was a 2 or 3 year period where General Motors tried out a
> CORPORATE Chevrolet V8 in all brands, including Cadillac. That didn't last
> long. Consumers went Batsh#* when they found out their Caddy's had a
> Chevrolet engine. I cannot ever remember a Buick engine being used by any
> other division.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> On Jun 16, 2015 10:15 AM, "Carl Stouffer" wrote:
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>> BobDunahugh wrote on Tue, 16 June 2015 09:56
>>> I'm not up on Buick's from the 70's. Was the Olds 455 used in any
>> Buick's?Bob Dunahugh
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>> Pretty sure Buick had their own 455. So did Pontiac. Seems like a weird
>> way to do business, but that's how the different GM divisions did it back
>> then.
>> --
>> Carl Stouffer
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280104 is a reply to message #280096] |
Wed, 17 June 2015 10:00 |
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When did Pontiac abandon the 389 engine? I once had a '62 Pontiac Tempest with the 1/2 389 4 cyl engine. Had a 10:1 or 10.25:1 compression ratio and a big honking 4 bbl carb and went like stink while getting great gas mileage on hi-test!
I thought the small Buick/Olds V-8 engine was a 215 but that may be a FADED memory.
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> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:38:50 -0700
> From: ronaldpottol@gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds
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> Rover had the 218 alloy v8 ;-)
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> Also used in the Pontiac and Oldsmobile's of the early 1960s.
> On Jun 16, 2015 10:38, "James Hupy" wrote:
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>> They didn't always. GMC pickups used Pontiac v8 engines with Hydramatic
>> transmissions in 55 -56. Engines weren't 455's, but smaller displacement.
>> Later GMC and Chevrolet pickups used Chevrolet V8 coupled with TH 350 and
>> TH 400 turbohydramatic transmissions. GMC made their own inline 6's. 248
>> and 302 cubic inch versions. Chevrolet used their own inline 6. Buick
>> always used their own engines in their cars. Old nailheads up through the
>> 401 cubic in. engines, then a 400 and 455. Also a 350 was available Buick
>> built. There was a 2 or 3 year period where General Motors tried out a
>> CORPORATE Chevrolet V8 in all brands, including Cadillac. That didn't last
>> long. Consumers went Batsh#* when they found out their Caddy's had a
>> Chevrolet engine. I cannot ever remember a Buick engine being used by any
>> other division.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>> On Jun 16, 2015 10:15 AM, "Carl Stouffer" wrote:
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>>> BobDunahugh wrote on Tue, 16 June 2015 09:56
>>>> I'm not up on Buick's from the 70's. Was the Olds 455 used in any
>>> Buick's?Bob Dunahugh
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>>> Pretty sure Buick had their own 455. So did Pontiac. Seems like a weird
>>> way to do business, but that's how the different GM divisions did it back
>>> then.
>>> --
>>> Carl Stouffer
>>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>>> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280106 is a reply to message #280104] |
Wed, 17 June 2015 10:18 |
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215 cubic inch it was.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:00 AM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald
wrote:
> When did Pontiac abandon the 389 engine? I once had a '62 Pontiac Tempest
> with the 1/2 389 4 cyl engine. Had a 10:1 or 10.25:1 compression ratio and
> a big honking 4 bbl carb and went like stink while getting great gas
> mileage on hi-test!
>
> I thought the small Buick/Olds V-8 engine was a 215 but that may be a
> FADED memory.
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>> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:38:50 -0700
>> From: ronaldpottol@gmail.com
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds
>>
>> Rover had the 218 alloy v8 ;-)
>>
>> Also used in the Pontiac and Oldsmobile's of the early 1960s.
>> On Jun 16, 2015 10:38, "James Hupy" wrote:
>>
>>> They didn't always. GMC pickups used Pontiac v8 engines with Hydramatic
>>> transmissions in 55 -56. Engines weren't 455's, but smaller
> displacement.
>>> Later GMC and Chevrolet pickups used Chevrolet V8 coupled with TH 350
> and
>>> TH 400 turbohydramatic transmissions. GMC made their own inline 6's.
> 248
>>> and 302 cubic inch versions. Chevrolet used their own inline 6. Buick
>>> always used their own engines in their cars. Old nailheads up through
> the
>>> 401 cubic in. engines, then a 400 and 455. Also a 350 was available
> Buick
>>> built. There was a 2 or 3 year period where General Motors tried out a
>>> CORPORATE Chevrolet V8 in all brands, including Cadillac. That didn't
> last
>>> long. Consumers went Batsh#* when they found out their Caddy's had a
>>> Chevrolet engine. I cannot ever remember a Buick engine being used by
> any
>>> other division.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, Or
>>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>> On Jun 16, 2015 10:15 AM, "Carl Stouffer" wrote:
>>>
>>>> BobDunahugh wrote on Tue, 16 June 2015 09:56
>>>> > I'm not up on Buick's from the 70's. Was the Olds 455 used in any
>>>> Buick's?Bob Dunahugh
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>>>> Pretty sure Buick had their own 455. So did Pontiac. Seems like a
> weird
>>>> way to do business, but that's how the different GM divisions did it
> back
>>>> then.
>>>> --
>>>> Carl Stouffer
>>>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>>>> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280145 is a reply to message #280021] |
Wed, 17 June 2015 20:43 |
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BobDunahugh wrote on Tue, 16 June 2015 10:56I'm not up on Buick's from the 70's. Was the Olds 455 used in any Buick's?Bob Dunahugh
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With a few exceptions on the truck side, the divisional engines were all specific until the late 70's. One of the first deviations was the Olds 350 with fuel injected heads applied to the Cadillac Seville which was built off the X-car platform (Nova). That started the public outcry and related lawsuits. Also the 60's Cutlass and Skylarks shared the 215 all aluminum engines but the heads were different. After that. many Olds 403 and 350's were spread across the divisions.
The Buick V8 engine was considered a dog and was not shared, but most of the allocations were based on engine capacity, no necessarily which one was best.
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280148 is a reply to message #280141] |
Wed, 17 June 2015 20:51 |
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Not so, Rob. The Nail-Head was the big Buick
that started in '53 and went up to, I believe, the 401.
The little 215 became the 225 V6 in iron which was sold
to Jeep for a while and then bought back.
The 215 was sold to Rover, who fixed the problems and
subsequently stretched it from 3.5L to 4.9L.
I know, I know! So who cares?
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500 Cad
Newark, Oh
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AKA "Nail Head" IIRC.
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Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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Rover had the 218 alloy v8 ;-)
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280169 is a reply to message #280148] |
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Gary,
Hmmm, my memory seems to have failed me (so what else is new) I was going to build a mid engine copy of a McLaren M-6 and use the
aluminum Buick engine for light weight, I thought that was called a Nail Head.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Not so, Rob. The Nail-Head was the big Buick
that started in '53 and went up to, I believe, the 401.
The little 215 became the 225 V6 in iron which was sold
to Jeep for a while and then bought back.
The 215 was sold to Rover, who fixed the problems and
subsequently stretched it from 3.5L to 4.9L.
I know, I know! So who cares?
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500 Cad
Newark, Oh
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From: Robert Mueller
AKA "Nail Head" IIRC.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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From: Ronald Pottol
Rover had the 218 alloy v8 ;-)
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280188 is a reply to message #280021] |
Thu, 18 June 2015 09:23 |
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I believe Kosier has it right. The little 215CID V8 was called the BOP engine. It appeared in the 'compacts' designed by Buick, Olds, and Pontiac. It was actually a pretty good design, which may be whgy GM sold it to the Brits. It soldiers on today in much upgraded and increased size in Land Rovers. At the time, its competition was the 221CID Ford offering in Fairlanes, and I believe it overlapped the early LA engines which came in at 273CID.
Just to make it more complex, GM designed and built a V6 which was an iron 60degree engine for trucks under the GMC marque. Far as I know, it was never fitted to anything else in the GM line. It was supposed to be extendable to a V12, but I have never seen one of them.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280191 is a reply to message #280188] |
Thu, 18 June 2015 09:39 |
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IIRC, Ford enlarged the 221 CID V8 to a 270 that was put in later Fairlanes and then Falcons around 1963 or 1964 and then into the Mustang in 1964. I believe the basic design was then expanded to be the 289 and then the 302. I chose the 289 4bbl for the Mustang that I ordered in April 1964 and kept until 1993.
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> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:23:32 -0600
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: jhbridges@ymail.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds
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> I believe Kosier has it right. The little 215CID V8 was called the BOP engine. It appeared in the 'compacts' designed by Buick, Olds, and Pontiac.
> It was actually a pretty good design, which may be whgy GM sold it to the Brits. It soldiers on today in much upgraded and increased size in Land
> Rovers. At the time, its competition was the 221CID Ford offering in Fairlanes, and I believe it overlapped the early LA engines which came in at
> 273CID.
> Just to make it more complex, GM designed and built a V6 which was an iron 60degree engine for trucks under the GMC marque. Far as I know, it was
> never fitted to anything else in the GM line. It was supposed to be extendable to a V12, but I have never seen one of them.
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit
> Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280192 is a reply to message #280021] |
Thu, 18 June 2015 09:43 |
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It kinda stretched to the 260 and original 289, although later the 289 showed some internal changes, didn't it? It grew to the 302. I had a '66 Mustang with the 289 fitted, wish I still had it. My Ranger pickup has a 302 fitted, much modified. It and the current versions are roller lifters and other upgraded stuff. Now, if I can just find time to fit the new distributor and get some sparks into it, maybe I can sell it. I don't think it will pass CA smog, none is needed where I am.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280196 is a reply to message #280191] |
Thu, 18 June 2015 10:04 |
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Something didn't look quite right when I typed in 270 for the engine that was an expansion of the 221. Johnny Bridges' note stating the 260 corrected my error. Was the 273 a Mopar engine?
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> From: k2gkk@hotmail.com
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> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:39:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds
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> IIRC, Ford enlarged the 221 CID V8 to a 270 that was put in later Fairlanes and then Falcons around 1963 or 1964 and then into the Mustang in 1964. I believe the basic design was then expanded to be the 289 and then the 302. I chose the 289 4bbl for the Mustang that I ordered in April 1964 and kept until 1993.
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>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:23:32 -0600
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> From: jhbridges@ymail.com
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds
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>> I believe Kosier has it right. The little 215CID V8 was called the BOP engine. It appeared in the 'compacts' designed by Buick, Olds, and Pontiac.
>> It was actually a pretty good design, which may be whgy GM sold it to the Brits. It soldiers on today in much upgraded and increased size in Land
>> Rovers. At the time, its competition was the 221CID Ford offering in Fairlanes, and I believe it overlapped the early LA engines which came in at
>> 273CID.
>> Just to make it more complex, GM designed and built a V6 which was an iron 60degree engine for trucks under the GMC marque. Far as I know, it was
>> never fitted to anything else in the GM line. It was supposed to be extendable to a V12, but I have never seen one of them.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Olds [message #280207 is a reply to message #280021] |
Thu, 18 June 2015 12:39 |
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The 273CID was an early 'LA" or "Light A' engine from Mopar. It was built in 273, 318, 340~, and 360CID versions. The current Mopar V8s are basically from the LA family, albeit much modified over the years. The B (and later RB or 'raised B') engines were for larger cars, this family was produced in 350*, 361, 383#, 400, 413, 426, and 440CID versions. It has been discontinued. The 426 appeared both as the Max Wedge engine and as the Hemi, although the latter was somewhat modified. A fair number of these engines landed in cars other than Mopar originally intended, thanks to Mr. Norm's Grand Spaulding Dodge. Grand Spaulding was kind of the 'COPO' for Mopar hotrods.
--johnny
~ Unlike the other LA engines, the 340CID was only ever built as a performance engine. Fitted to A body cars, it was a screamer.
* yes, Mopar >did< build a 350CID B engine for a bit. You can often win bar bets on this fact.
# the 383 CID engine was built both as a B and as an RB engine. Displacement is about the only commonality between the two.
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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