Steeringbox again [message #279778] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 09:35 |
appie
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Trying to find a torque wrench small enough to adjust to steeringbox
The ones I can find are for bicycles
Just to be completely sure preload torque is ca 14 inch pound. That is less then 2 Nm. Right
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
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Re: Steeringbox again [message #279785 is a reply to message #279778] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 10:05 |
JohnL455
Messages: 4447 Registered: October 2006 Location: Woodstock, IL
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Use the Wirth writeup. I thought it was fluid out, preload backed off you set the input shaft drag and then add the over center load to that. Might be like 7 plus 7 inch/ lbs. You have to read his paper but yes inch pounds not foot pounds!
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Re: Steeringbox again [message #279786 is a reply to message #279778] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 10:16 |
Adrien G.
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appie wrote on Sat, 13 June 2015 09:35Trying to find a torque wrench small enough to adjust to steeringbox
The ones I can find are for bicycles
Just to be completely sure preload torque is ca 14 inch pound. That is less then 2 Nm. Right
14 in. lbs is equal to 1.582 Nm. Here is a conversion chart http://www.thetoolhut.com/Torque-Conversion-Newton-Meters-Inch-Pounds.html
Right now, I don't have a clue on how to read that number on a newton torque wrench, unless it's calibrated in hundredths ( 0.001 ) Nm.
Someone else may chime in as to how crucial that number is, or how much deviation you may have.
Good Torquing.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Control Sprong Changes WIth Time and Heat [message #279797 is a reply to message #279793] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 12:07 |
Jim Miller
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> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:37 PM, 1104agm wrote:
> I am sure there are others who know the generator better than me. I just like to tinker. Is what I am saying a real problem or is there another reason that when it gets hot it surges bad and quits? Mine has a different fuel pump and filter but other wise is stock.
Here at the Miller compound we’ve worked on many an Onan during work rallies and at other times and we’ve never seen one that does what you are describing. You may have the first one with that particular problem.
--Jim "saving the lives of Onans...one unit at a time" Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Control Sprong Changes WIth Time and Heat [message #279801 is a reply to message #279793] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 13:37 |
Adrien G.
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This "STREERINGBOX" thread sure got shafted by a ONAN thread.
How can this occurre? I can see the body text being in the wrong title, but the title too.
Trying to make sense.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Control Sprong Changes WIth Time and Heat [message #279808 is a reply to message #279803] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 15:34 |
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Matt Colie
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Art,
I happened because you used "Reply" and not "New Topic" (or sent as new message to the e-mail system).
At least you changed the title, but there should have been not title to change.
This will really only mess up us forum readers as it will be transparent to the e-mail side.
Matt
Arthur Mansfield wrote on Sat, 13 June 2015 14:47Sorry I do not know how it happened.
Art
On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Adrien Genesoto wrote:
> This "STREERINGBOX" thread sure got shafted by a ONAN thread.
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> How can this occurre? I can see the body text being in the wrong title, but the title too.
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> Trying to make sense.
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> "When we avoid the mistakes we might have made, we sometimes make the mistakes that we might have avoided."
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> Adrien & Jenny
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Control Sprong Changes WIth Time and Heat [message #279815 is a reply to message #279802] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 17:14 |
Jim Miller
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On Jun 13, 2015, at 2:30 PM, 1104agm wrote:
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> Turned the spring around and raised the attachment a ½ inch. Set the no load voltage to 126 volts and both AC load to 122 volts varying about +/- 2 volts. Lots of clearance between the manifold and the spring now.
You should be setting your governor based on actual measured engine speed - either using a tachometer or by measuring the output frequency of the generated AC. If you set the governor based on voltage then you will almost undoubtedly be set too slow.
> What is the disadvantage of using the spring hold farthest from the pivot point.
The spring setting determines the governor’s responsiveness to load. If set too far one direction then the response to load changes will be sluggish - if set too far the other way the unit will be too sensitive and will oscillate around the desired speed. The manual describes this in detail.
--Jim "saving the lives of Onans...one unit at a time" Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Control Sprong Changes WIth Time and Heat [message #279818 is a reply to message #279817] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 18:18 |
Jim Miller
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> On Jun 13, 2015, at 6:46 PM, 1104agm wrote:
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> What should the RPM be set to? It runs better at voltage of about 135. Is that to high of voltage?
1800 RPM is the machine’s design speed at which the generator will deliver 60Hz AC output. Once you are at this speed you can check the voltage and then make a determination whether or not it is acceptable.
As I mentioned you should not be setting the governor based on output voltage.
If your engine does not run correctly at 1800 then you need to determine the cause and remedy it.
--Jim "saving the lives of Onans...one unit at a time" Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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Re: Steeringbox again [message #279828 is a reply to message #279778] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 20:00 |
JohnL455
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Snap-on should have an inch/lbs wrench. We used to use them to not overtighten 15" speakers in professional sound boxes. Found the output was higher when you didn't warp the cast speaker basket frame.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Control Sprong Changes WIth Time and Heat [message #279834 is a reply to message #279832] |
Sat, 13 June 2015 20:27 |
Jim Miller
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On Jun 13, 2015, at 9:12 PM, A. wrote:
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> I suspect that is why GM upfitted motorhomes that came with the dual voltage fridge were powered on the DC side only.
My GM-upfitted motorhome has a dual voltage fridge and it most certainly is powered by both 120VAC and 12VDC.
Nothing cares about a 1Hz difference in input frequency with the sole exception of a clock with a synchronous-motor timebase. It frankly doesn’t care either - but the humans don’t like it because it gains or loses time rapidly.
--Jim "saving the lives of Onans...one unit at a time" Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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