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S&J engine [message #276895] |
Tue, 28 April 2015 09:27 |
Leith
Messages: 7 Registered: January 2015 Location: Temecula California
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Sadly my engine threw a rod on the freeway yesterday and I'm now in need of an engine. Thinking of an S& J and would appreciate input from all the wise minds around here. Thanks folks
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #276901 is a reply to message #276895] |
Tue, 28 April 2015 11:08 |
James Hupy
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S & J offers a high quality rebuild. That is one part of the equation. If
you have blown an engine, and there is debris in the oil system, it
behooves you to remove all microscopic traces of it, or you will be
replacing the new engine in short order. This includes everything
downstream from the oil pump. Cooler, lines, etc. Also, any antifreeze
remaining in the intake manifold that makes it's way into the oil will have
the same result. Just a few words from someone who has seen more than his
share of the results of not taking care of stuff like this.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:27 AM, wrote:
> Sadly my engine threw a rod on the freeway yesterday and I'm now in need
> of an engine. Thinking of an S& J and would appreciate input from all the
> wise minds around here. Thanks folks
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #276904 is a reply to message #276901] |
Tue, 28 April 2015 11:17 |
C Boyd
Messages: 2629 Registered: April 2006
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Also don't forget to clean the dipstick tube if you reuse the old one. Only place I have found new one is from Mr. Paterson. Auto Zone ones are chrome and have a crimp mashed in them. I was amazed at the amount of crud and carbon inside the old tube.
James Hupy wrote on Tue, 28 April 2015 12:08S & J offers a high quality rebuild. That is one part of the equation. If
you have blown an engine, and there is debris in the oil system, it
behooves you to remove all microscopic traces of it, or you will be
replacing the new engine in short order. This includes everything
downstream from the oil pump. Cooler, lines, etc. Also, any antifreeze
remaining in the intake manifold that makes it's way into the oil will have
the same result. Just a few words from someone who has seen more than his
share of the results of not taking care of stuff like this.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:27 AM, wrote:
> Sadly my engine threw a rod on the freeway yesterday and I'm now in need
> of an engine. Thinking of an S& J and would appreciate input from all the
> wise minds around here. Thanks folks
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Re: S&J engine [message #276932 is a reply to message #276895] |
Tue, 28 April 2015 20:17 |
kerry pinkerton
Messages: 2565 Registered: July 2012 Location: Harvest, Al
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Leith, at the risk of igniting the 'oil flow' wars again. I chose NOT to use oil cooler in the radiator after I lost my engine. Some say the oil filter will catch any debris before it goes back to the engine and they are probably right. HOWEVER, a very, very wise and experienced GMCer recommended going to a separate cooler and given the relatively low price and peace of mind, I went with his suggestion. I ended up with a fan forced unit that mounts in front of the right front wheel liner. The fan is on an integral thermostatic switch. An added advantage is removing that source of heat from the radiator.
I can't comment on the S&J engine but have a LOT of respect for some of those who recommend them.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #276936 is a reply to message #276932] |
Tue, 28 April 2015 21:20 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Kerry,
As soon as learn to perambulate on my new bionic left knee I will head down the workshop, cut open the OEM oil cooler and OEM trans
cooler and present facts and photographs that will enable "very, very wise and experienced GMCers" if removing the OEM transmission
and oil coolers is necessary or not.
Keep in mind that at one time very, very, wise and experienced men believed the world was flat and in contemporary times there are
people that believe the Moon landings were filmed in Arizona. ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:18 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine
Leith, at the risk of igniting the 'oil flow' wars again. I chose NOT to use oil cooler in the radiator after I lost my engine.
Some say the oil filter will catch any debris before it goes back to the engine and they are probably right. HOWEVER, a very, very
wise and experienced GMCer recommended going to a separate cooler and given the relatively low price and peace of mind, I went with
his suggestion. I ended up with a fan forced unit that mounts in front of the right front wheel liner. The fan is on an integral
thermostatic switch. An added advantage is removing that source of heat from the radiator.
I can't comment on the S&J engine but have a LOT of respect for some of those who recommend them.
--
Kerry
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #276946 is a reply to message #276936] |
Tue, 28 April 2015 22:49 |
Bob de Kruyff
Messages: 4260 Registered: January 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ
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"" As soon as learn to perambulate on my new bionic left knee I will head down the workshop, cut open the OEM oil cooler and OEM trans
cooler and present facts and photographs that will enable "very, very wise and experienced GMCers" if removing the OEM transmission
and oil coolers is necessary or not.
Keep in mind that at one time very, very, wise and experienced men believed the world was flat and in contemporary times there are
people that believe the Moon landings were filmed in Arizona.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428""
Good pain pills ???
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #276955 is a reply to message #276936] |
Wed, 29 April 2015 06:08 |
kerry pinkerton
Messages: 2565 Registered: July 2012 Location: Harvest, Al
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USAussie wrote on Tue, 28 April 2015 21:20Kerry,
As soon as learn to perambulate on my new bionic left knee I will head down the workshop, cut open the OEM oil cooler and OEM trans
cooler and present facts and photographs that will enable "very, very wise and experienced GMCers" if removing the OEM transmission
and oil coolers is necessary or not.
Don't do it on my account Rob, I've already made the switch. Further, I'm not sure what cutting open the radiator and coolers would prove.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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Re: S&J engine [message #276962 is a reply to message #276895] |
Wed, 29 April 2015 07:09 |
bobby5832708
Messages: 237 Registered: November 2006 Location: Winter Springs FL
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Kerry,
Which external oil cooler did you use? I am looking to install one on my GMC as I've been running without an oil cooler for a while now (long story for another time) and I think it would be good to have an oil cooler again if I want to drive in mountains or pull a towd, both of which I don't do now.
Bob Heller
2017 Winnebago 29VE
Winter Springs FL
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #276964 is a reply to message #276936] |
Wed, 29 April 2015 07:14 |
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thesmith
Messages: 589 Registered: February 2015 Location: Cary, NC
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Rob, Hope Knee heals well. My Mum had a lot of problems with one of her two bionic ones and is now too old to risk a new one.....and funnily enough she has found that rub on asperin worked better than anything else for keeping her mobile.
I'm interested in seeing the insides of those coolers..........
Pete
USAussie wrote on Tue, 28 April 2015 21:20Kerry,
As soon as learn to perambulate on my new bionic left knee I will head down the workshop, cut open the OEM oil cooler and OEM trans
cooler and present facts and photographs that will enable "very, very wise and experienced GMCers" if removing the OEM transmission
and oil coolers is necessary or not.
Keep in mind that at one time very, very, wise and experienced men believed the world was flat and in contemporary times there are
people that believe the Moon landings were filmed in Arizona.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:18 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine
Leith, at the risk of igniting the 'oil flow' wars again. I chose NOT to use oil cooler in the radiator after I lost my engine.
Some say the oil filter will catch any debris before it goes back to the engine and they are probably right. HOWEVER, a very, very
wise and experienced GMCer recommended going to a separate cooler and given the relatively low price and peace of mind, I went with
his suggestion. I ended up with a fan forced unit that mounts in front of the right front wheel liner. The fan is on an integral
thermostatic switch. An added advantage is removing that source of heat from the radiator.
I can't comment on the S&J engine but have a LOT of respect for some of those who recommend them.
--
Kerry
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Re: S&J engine [message #276970 is a reply to message #276962] |
Wed, 29 April 2015 08:29 |
kerry pinkerton
Messages: 2565 Registered: July 2012 Location: Harvest, Al
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bobby5832708 wrote on Wed, 29 April 2015 07:09Which external oil cooler did you use? I am looking to install one on my GMC as I've been running without an oil cooler for a while now (long story for another time) and I think it would be good to have an oil cooler again if I want to drive in mountains or pull a towd, both of which I don't do now.
Bob, I used the Derale 13950 from Summit: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/der-13950/overview/
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #276971 is a reply to message #276962] |
Wed, 29 April 2015 08:22 |
Bruce Hart
Messages: 1501 Registered: October 2011 Location: La Grange, Wyoming
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Bob,
Summit racing has one by B&M
The stock number is BMM70266
Recomended to me by B. Bramlett.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Bob Heller wrote:
> Kerry,
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> Which external oil cooler did you use? I am looking to install one on my
> GMC as I've been running without an oil cooler for a while now (long story
> for another time) and I think it would be good to have an oil cooler again
> if I want to drive in mountains or pull a towd, both of which I don't do
> now.
> --
> Bob Heller
> 1974 X-Canyonlands 26ft
> Original 455 exc for timing chain,
> Rockwell intake, valve covers. 135k miles.
> Winter Springs FL
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Milliken, Co
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Re: [GMCnet] S&J engine [message #277015 is a reply to message #276955] |
Wed, 29 April 2015 19:28 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Kerry,
I am not doing it on anybody's account; I want to know for myself.
I will present what I find and people that suffer engine / transmission failures can use what I present when deciding whether or not
to eliminate the in radiator coolers.
Carefully examining the oil coolers after they were cut open will reveal the total amount of contamination they could hold, if it is
possible to clean out the contamination and how to do so.
The two coolers I have were removed from an OEM radiator that was damaged beyond repair from a collision. Neither one was cleaned
when they were removed and in theory will show how much crap can get trapped in them from normal use. As far as I know they had not
been subjected to an engine or transmission failure.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic & Lunar Nut Case
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From: Kerry Pinkerton
Don't do it on my account Rob, I've already made the switch. Further, I'm not sure what cutting open the radiator and coolers would
prove.
Kerry
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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