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my oil pressure gage has three lines. what pressure do they represent?

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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276322 is a reply to message #276321] Mon, 20 April 2015 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim,

Photo?

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my oil pressure gage has three lines. what pressure do they represent?
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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276324 is a reply to message #276322] Mon, 20 April 2015 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob
I have the very stock GMC panel and gages.


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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276328 is a reply to message #276321] Mon, 20 April 2015 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim,

I presume your "three lines" are the bottom, middle, and top scale marks.
If so, one can only assume that the bottom one should = 0 psi the top one
the maximum for which the sender is rated, and the middle one 1/2 of the
top one. Big assumption!

The real dilemma is that "maximum". There are at least two common senders
available from NAPA, OP6637 for a maximum of 60 psi and OP6636 for a
maximum of 80 psi. (per the chart at http://www.bdub.net/gmcmhparts/#ENGINE
).

The only way I'd ascribe any value to any meter mark is to calibrate it
myself using a known standard measuring the same source as the subject
meter. Otherwise, I'd say the middle mark means I've got "Some" and the
top one means I've got "More".


Ken H.


On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jim Rountree
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> my oil pressure gage has three lines. what pressure do they represent?
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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276329 is a reply to message #276328] Mon, 20 April 2015 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A pretty good read, Ken, until I got to the last paragraph where you
promptly lost me in technical jargonism...
You do get the point across though!

Mike in NS

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Ken Henderson
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I presume your "three lines" are the bottom, middle, and top scale marks.
> If so, one can only assume that the bottom one should = 0 psi the top one
> the maximum for which the sender is rated, and the middle one 1/2 of the
> top one. Big assumption!
>
> The real dilemma is that "maximum". There are at least two common senders
> available from NAPA, OP6637 for a maximum of 60 psi and OP6636 for a
> maximum of 80 psi. (per the chart at
> http://www.bdub.net/gmcmhparts/#ENGINE
> ).
>
> The only way I'd ascribe any value to any meter mark is to calibrate it
> myself using a known standard measuring the same source as the subject
> meter. Otherwise, I'd say the middle mark means I've got "Some" and the
> top one means I've got "More".
>
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jim Rountree
> wrote:
>
>> my oil pressure gage has three lines. what pressure do they represent?
>> --
>> Jim Rountree
>> San Antonio,TX
>> 76 PB,
>> 77 Royale + 42in,
>> 76 Royale RB.
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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276330 is a reply to message #276328] Mon, 20 April 2015 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

Using your logic the bottom line (ha ha) would mean "barely enough?"

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Rob M.


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From: Ken Henderson

Jim,

I presume your "three lines" are the bottom, middle, and top scale marks.
If so, one can only assume that the bottom one should = 0 psi the top one
the maximum for which the sender is rated, and the middle one 1/2 of the
top one. Big assumption!

The real dilemma is that "maximum". There are at least two common senders
available from NAPA, OP6637 for a maximum of 60 psi and OP6636 for a
maximum of 80 psi. (per the chart at http://www.bdub.net/gmcmhparts/#ENGINE
).

The only way I'd ascribe any value to any meter mark is to calibrate it
myself using a known standard measuring the same source as the subject
meter. Otherwise, I'd say the middle mark means I've got "Some" and the
top one means I've got "More".


Ken H.


On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jim Rountree
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> my oil pressure gage has three lines. what pressure do they represent?
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276331 is a reply to message #276329] Mon, 20 April 2015 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike,

All the last paragraph says is connect the OP sender and a good meter to a
common air line and crank the pressure up slowly, marking the OEM gauge to
match what the meter says at several pressures.

That better, Teach?

Ken H.


On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Kingsley Coach
wrote:

> A pretty good read, Ken, until I got to the last paragraph where you
> promptly lost me in technical jargonism...
> You do get the point across though!
>
> Mike in NS
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Ken Henderson
> wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I presume your "three lines" are the bottom, middle, and top scale marks.
>> If so, one can only assume that the bottom one should = 0 psi the top one
>> the maximum for which the sender is rated, and the middle one 1/2 of the
>> top one. Big assumption!
>>
>> The real dilemma is that "maximum". There are at least two common
> senders
>> available from NAPA, OP6637 for a maximum of 60 psi and OP6636 for a
>> maximum of 80 psi. (per the chart at
>> http://www.bdub.net/gmcmhparts/#ENGINE
>> ).
>>
>> The only way I'd ascribe any value to any meter mark is to calibrate it
>> myself using a known standard measuring the same source as the subject
>> meter. Otherwise, I'd say the middle mark means I've got "Some" and the
>> top one means I've got "More".
>>
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jim Rountree
>> wrote:
>>
>>> my oil pressure gage has three lines. what pressure do they represent?
>>> --
>>> Jim Rountree
>>> San Antonio,TX
>>> 76 PB,
>>> 77 Royale + 42in,
>>> 76 Royale RB.
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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276332 is a reply to message #276330] Mon, 20 April 2015 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How 'bout "barely NOT enough"? :-)

Ken H.

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> Ken,
>
> Using your logic the bottom line (ha ha) would mean "barely enough?"
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Re: Oil pressure indicator [message #276336 is a reply to message #276321] Mon, 20 April 2015 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim Rountree wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 17:33
my oil pressure gage has three lines. what pressure do they represent?


Jim

Duane Simmons article "What every GMCer should know" gives advice on the oil pressure gauge.

http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/required_gmc_knowledge/required_gmc_info.html

Enjoy!

Dennis



Dennis S
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Memphis TN Metro

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Re: Oil pressure indicator [message #276341 is a reply to message #276336] Mon, 20 April 2015 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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marks appear to represent 1/4 1/2 & 3/4. This is a completely stock Royale with 40,000 miles so I assume the gage & sender are original. Put in Rob's 15-40 Rotella and it went to the 3/4 mark on startup and about 1/2 when warmed up. Hope that is OK

Jim Rountree San Antonio,TX 76 PB, 76 Royale RB
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Good point!

I could be - "AW S#!T"

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How 'bout "barely NOT enough"? :-)

Ken H.

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> Ken,
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> Using your logic the bottom line (ha ha) would mean "barely enough?"


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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276344 is a reply to message #276341] Mon, 20 April 2015 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim,

I have a remote oil pressure gage and a Digi Panel and they parallel each other. I don't look at the OEM gage, however, I'll try and
remember to do so next time I drive Double Trouble.

Regards,
Rob M.


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From: Jim Rountree

marks appear to represent 1/4 1/2 & 3/4. This is a completely stock Royale with 40,000 miles so I assume the gage & sender are
original. Put in Rob's 15-40 Rotella and it went to the 3/4 mark on startup and about 1/2 when warmed up. Hope that is OK
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Re: Oil pressure indicator [message #276345 is a reply to message #276321] Mon, 20 April 2015 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just went through this with Dick Paterson a few weeks back on my coach I replaced the sender with a new OEM type one. 80 PSI is the top most line and of course the 0 PSI is the bottom most line. The middle mark is 40 PSI. Dick explained the the check / bypass valve in the oil pump is set to open at 60 PSI so on a cold engine you should never seen over 3/4 scale. That is exactly where mine reads cold.

As a side note, A poor or open electrical connection between the gage and the sender or a poor ground at the gage or sender will cause the gage to read high (not low).


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Re: [GMCnet] Oil pressure indicator [message #276355 is a reply to message #276345] Tue, 21 April 2015 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And the other way to answer the question with certainty is to put a tee at
the original oil sender location and install a new gauge under the dash
....with numbers on it.
I was going to go Ken's route, but I couldn't find my 4" paint brush to
mark the original gauge on the dash.

Mike in NS

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:28 AM, Ken Burton wrote:

> I just went through this with Dick Paterson a few weeks back on my coach
> I replaced the sender with a new OEM type one. 80 PSI is the top most line
> and of course the 0 PSI is the bottom most line. The middle mark is 40
> PSI. Dick explained the the check / bypass valve in the oil pump is set to
> open at 60 PSI so on a cold engine you should never seen over 3/4 scale.
> That is exactly where mine reads cold.
>
> As a side note, A poor or open electrical connection between the gage and
> the sender or a poor ground at the gage or sender will cause the gage to
> read high (not low).
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Re: Oil pressure indicator [message #276385 is a reply to message #276341] Tue, 21 April 2015 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim Rountree wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 20:50
marks appear to represent 1/4 1/2 & 3/4. This is a completely stock Royale with 40,000 miles so I assume the gage & sender are original. Put in Rob's 15-40 Rotella and it went to the 3/4 mark on startup and about 1/2 when warmed up. Hope that is OK


That's fine.


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Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 21:27
I just went through this with Dick Paterson a few weeks back on my coach I replaced the sender with a new OEM type one. 80 PSI is the top most line and of course the 0 PSI is the bottom most line. The middle mark is 40 PSI. Dick explained the the check / bypass valve in the oil pump is set to open at 60 PSI so on a cold engine you should never seen over 3/4 scale. That is exactly where mine reads cold.

As a side note, A poor or open electrical connection between the gage and the sender or a poor ground at the gage or sender will cause the gage to read high (not low).

The only way I put importance on any of my gages is if something suddenly changes.


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Aha! The voice of reason!

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Rob M.

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