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Sat, 18 April 2015 16:10  |
william ezzell
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As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the water
tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a 15 amp
recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing wrong.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276160 is a reply to message #276149] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 18:21  |
rickmike
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Mine has a overtemperature circuit breaker under the front cover on the water heater.
The high temp of the engine coolant which heats the water while you drive can sometimes trip this breaker.
I drilled a hole in the cover plate in just the right spot to be able to insert a plastic Bic pen and push the reset.
Otherwise you have to remove the cover to reset it. Make sure the 110V is turned off when you go to remove the cover.
Rick M.
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aka "The General"
Clinton, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276161 is a reply to message #276149] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 18:29 |
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Bill,
There is a switch to turn off the power to the water heater and some models have a dedicated breaker. There are three locations for the switch and that is just for the GMC fit coaches built in 73, 74 & 75 and 23 & 26ft. So, if the coach is one of those, then you only have to look in the electrical space, under the sink in the head and under the galley sink for a switch. Then there is the question of if a by pass has been installed to facilitate winterising. You will have to find that out on your own. But, before you work too hard take a test light into the water heater and make sure that there is 120VAC at the controller.
I would start by going in to the breaker panel of stock coach and using an amprobe to see if it the heater is drawing power. I don't know if you have or can borrow one of those.
Matt
william ezzell wrote on Sat, 18 April 2015 17:10As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the water tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a 15 amp recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing wrong.
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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276163 is a reply to message #276149] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 18:54 |
Tilerpep
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I found out a year into owning mine with no working hot water heater that the tank corroded fully through the heating coil loop from the engine through to the supposedly potable water tank container, and THAT had corroded out the bottom. I had unhooked both fresh water to it and electrical (at the fuse panel, because with just the white wire and not even the black wire at the panel it would trip a GFI feed from my permanent house because corrosion can ground the element), but the final result/bad sign was antifreeze coming out the wheel well. This spring when I decided to repair/replace ALL of it, also discovered the actual switch (top switch, bottom outlet) was bad also - which probably is why the element burnt up and started advanced corrosion to start with.
Short answer - put eyes and meters on actual components and verify both soundness and functionality, especially before you drink it.
Maybe see if the engine loop heats the tank, you may have hot water and the house system is not delivering it.
1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276165 is a reply to message #276152] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 20:02 |
william ezzell
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The breakers all appear to be on, I did a continuity test an the is
continuity, even tried run the unit on the generator and no luck thus far.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> The breaker in the circuit breaker box might not be turned on or perhaps
> someone turned on the water heater without water in the tank and burned out
> the heating element.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:10 PM, william ezzell wrote:
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>> As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the
> water
>> tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a 15
> amp
>> recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing wrong.
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276167 is a reply to message #276165] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 20:37 |
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Use your VOM and Chevy the voltage across the two terminals on the heating element. Then shut off the switch, disconnect one wire from the heating element and check the ohms across the two terminals of the heating element. Let us know what you find.
Emery Stora
> On Apr 18, 2015, at 7:02 PM, william ezzell wrote:
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> The breakers all appear to be on, I did a continuity test an the is
> continuity, even tried run the unit on the generator and no luck thus far.
>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>>
>> The breaker in the circuit breaker box might not be turned on or perhaps
>> someone turned on the water heater without water in the tank and burned out
>> the heating element.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:10 PM, william ezzell wrote:
>>>
>>> As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the
>> water
>>> tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a 15
>> amp
>>> recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing wrong.
>>>
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>>> *Bill Ezzell *
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276170 is a reply to message #276161] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 20:44 |
emerystora
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There is often a reset switch on the thermostat mounted to the water heater.
Emery Stora
> On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:29 PM, Matt Colie wrote:
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> Bill,
>
> There is a switch to turn off the power to the water heater and some models have a dedicated breaker. There are three locations for the switch and
> that is just for the GMC fit coaches built in 73, 74 & 75 and 23 & 26ft. So, if the coach is one of those, then you only have to look in the
> electrical space, under the sink in the head and under the galley sink for a switch. Then there is the question of if a by pass has been installed to
> facilitate winterising. You will have to find that out on your own. But, before you work too hard take a test light into the water heater and make
> sure that there is 120VAC at the controller.
>
> I would start by going in to the breaker panel of stock coach and using an amprobe to see if it the heater is drawing power. I don't know if you
> have or can borrow one of those.
>
> Matt
>
> william ezzell wrote on Sat, 18 April 2015 17:10
>> As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the water tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a 15
>> amp recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing wrong.
>> --
>> *Thanks *
>> *Bill Ezzell *
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276173 is a reply to message #276161] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 21:04 |
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do you know about Kingsley 78, were tis breaker might be located,any help
would be great
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Matt Colie wrote:
> Bill,
>
> There is a switch to turn off the power to the water heater and some
> models have a dedicated breaker. There are three locations for the switch
> and
> that is just for the GMC fit coaches built in 73, 74 & 75 and 23 & 26ft.
> So, if the coach is one of those, then you only have to look in the
> electrical space, under the sink in the head and under the galley sink for
> a switch. Then there is the question of if a by pass has been installed to
> facilitate winterising. You will have to find that out on your own. But,
> before you work too hard take a test light into the water heater and make
> sure that there is 120VAC at the controller.
>
> I would start by going in to the breaker panel of stock coach and using an
> amprobe to see if it the heater is drawing power. I don't know if you
> have or can borrow one of those.
>
> Matt
>
> william ezzell wrote on Sat, 18 April 2015 17:10
>> As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the
> water tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a
> 15
>> amp recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing
> wrong.
>> --
>> *Thanks *
>> *Bill Ezzell *
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276174 is a reply to message #276170] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 21:09 |
william ezzell
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is this something I would see easily when I slide the door open in the bath
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> There is often a reset switch on the thermostat mounted to the water
> heater.
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:29 PM, Matt Colie wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> There is a switch to turn off the power to the water heater and some
> models have a dedicated breaker. There are three locations for the switch
> and
>> that is just for the GMC fit coaches built in 73, 74 & 75 and 23 &
> 26ft. So, if the coach is one of those, then you only have to look in the
>> electrical space, under the sink in the head and under the galley sink
> for a switch. Then there is the question of if a by pass has been
> installed to
>> facilitate winterising. You will have to find that out on your own.
> But, before you work too hard take a test light into the water heater and
> make
>> sure that there is 120VAC at the controller.
>>
>> I would start by going in to the breaker panel of stock coach and using
> an amprobe to see if it the heater is drawing power. I don't know if you
>> have or can borrow one of those.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> william ezzell wrote on Sat, 18 April 2015 17:10
>>> As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the
> water tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a
> 15
>>> amp recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing
> wrong.
>>> --
>>> *Thanks *
>>> *Bill Ezzell *
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCES
>> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control
> Arms
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276180 is a reply to message #276165] |
Sat, 18 April 2015 22:20 |
emerystora
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Bill
What year and model GMC do you have?
Is the water heater electric as in the models GMC built or do you have a Royale or other model built on a chassis from GMC?
Is the water heater all electric or modes it have a propane burner?
Emery Stora
> On Apr 18, 2015, at 7:02 PM, william ezzell wrote:
>
> The breakers all appear to be on, I did a continuity test an the is
> continuity, even tried run the unit on the generator and no luck thus far.
>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>>
>> The breaker in the circuit breaker box might not be turned on or perhaps
>> someone turned on the water heater without water in the tank and burned out
>> the heating element.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:10 PM, william ezzell wrote:
>>>
>>> As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the
>> water
>>> tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a 15
>> amp
>>> recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing wrong.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Thanks *
>>> *Bill Ezzell *
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276201 is a reply to message #276199] |
Sun, 19 April 2015 07:18 |
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Nooooooooo
Be nice
On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Matt Colie wrote:
> Rob,
>
> We don't what he checked continuity with....
> If it was a "Free at Hazard Fright" VOM, it may look like continuity as
> opposed to open.
>
> Matt
>
> USAussie wrote on Sat, 18 April 2015 21:41
>> Bill,
>> Something is wrong, you should not get continuity when you check the
> heater element.
>> IIRC the element is 1500 Watts divided by 120 Volts equals 12.5 Ohms.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276207 is a reply to message #276180] |
Sun, 19 April 2015 10:01 |
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1978 Kingsley
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Emery Stora wrote:
> Bill
> What year and model GMC do you have?
>
> Is the water heater electric as in the models GMC built or do you have a
> Royale or other model built on a chassis from GMC?
>
> Is the water heater all electric or modes it have a propane burner?
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 7:02 PM, william ezzell > wrote:
>>
>> The breakers all appear to be on, I did a continuity test an the is
>> continuity, even tried run the unit on the generator and no luck thus
> far.
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Emery Stora > wrote:
>>>
>>> The breaker in the circuit breaker box might not be turned on or
> perhaps
>>> someone turned on the water heater without water in the tank and burned
> out
>>> the heating element.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>> Frederick, CO
>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:10 PM, william ezzell > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I said earlier I am new to GMC's so here's my question I fill the
>>> water
>>>> tank (full) flip the switch for the hot water heater, I am plug in a 15
>>> amp
>>>> recep, had it on for over 1 hr and no hot water. What am I doing wrong.
>>>>
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>>>> *Bill Ezzell *
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276211 is a reply to message #276149] |
Sun, 19 April 2015 11:52 |
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A few questions:
1. Do you have water flowing from both hot and cold faucets ?
2. Do you have power at wall outlets ?
3. Have you tried with generator power ?
4. Is there a by-pass kit installed on the water heater for winterization ?
The GMC Motorhome uses a 240V plug that splits into two circuits. Normally the water heater will operate when using an adapter to a 15AMP plug , but I have experienced adapters that power the Air Conditioning circuit.
If you are experienced working with AC Power, use your volt meter to check to make sure the heater is getting power. If not, you have a problem in the AC wiring.
If you are getting power to the heater the problem is either the thermostat ( on the heater), the element, or the wiring in the heater. Use your volt meter to determine.
Good Luck ! Let us now what you find.
Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
1978 Gadabout-Restoring
1978 Palm Beach
1976 Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276227 is a reply to message #276211] |
Sun, 19 April 2015 15:15 |
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yes on water,yes on power,yes on generator, I don't know what a by-pass kit
looks like, how hard is it to get a water heater out to check the other
things you ask.
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Carl wrote:
> A few questions:
>
> 1. Do you have water flowing from both hot and cold faucets ?
>
> 2. Do you have power at wall outlets ?
>
> 3. Have you tried with generator power ?
>
> 4. Is there a by-pass kit installed on the water heater for winterization ?
>
> The GMC Motorhome uses a 240V plug that splits into two circuits.
> Normally the water heater will operate when using an adapter to a 15AMP
> plug , but
> I have experienced adapters that power the Air Conditioning circuit.
>
> If you are experienced working with AC Power, use your volt meter to check
> to make sure the heater is getting power. If not, you have a problem in the
> AC wiring.
>
> If you are getting power to the heater the problem is either the
> thermostat ( on the heater), the element, or the wiring in the heater. Use
> your volt
> meter to determine.
>
> Good Luck ! Let us now what you find.
>
>
>
>
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> 1978 Gadabout-Restoring
> 1978 Palm Beach
> 1976 Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help [message #276241 is a reply to message #276201] |
Sun, 19 April 2015 18:45 |
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That would be 12.5 Amps, NOT 12.5 Ohms, giving 9.6 Ohms for the resistance.
Mac in OKC
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> On Apr 19, 2015, at 06:18, gene Fisher wrote:
>
> Nooooooooo
> Be nice
>
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Matt Colie wrote:
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> We don't what he checked continuity with....
>> If it was a "Free at Hazard Fright" VOM, it may look like continuity as
>> opposed to open.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> USAussie wrote on Sat, 18 April 2015 21:416
>>> Bill,6
>>> Something is wrong, you should not get continuity when you check the
>> heater element.
>>> IIRC the element is 1500 Watts divided by 120 Volts equals 12.5 Ohms.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCES
>> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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