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Fri, 10 April 2015 19:28  |
Olly Schmidt
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Hello list,
this comes from too much energy, and internet connection. One thinks
about stuff. Here is another question for you:
The water line transporting water to the kitchen faucet seem to leak at
a place where I can't easily get to.
Is it possible to pull out the line and pull a new behind it? Like one
would do with a cable through a conduit? Or is the only way to get a new
leak free connection some major removal of interior?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchen faucet [message #275617 is a reply to message #275600] |
Fri, 10 April 2015 23:39  |
Adrien G.
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Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Fri, 10 April 2015 19:28Hello list,
this comes from too much energy, and internet connection. One thinks
about stuff. Here is another question for you:
The water line transporting water to the kitchen faucet seem to leak at
a place where I can't easily get to.
Is it possible to pull out the line and pull a new behind it? Like one
would do with a cable through a conduit? Or is the only way to get a new
leak free connection some major removal of interior?
--
Best regards
Peer Oliver Schmidt
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
'76a Eleganza II, VA
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Peer,
If your model has the fridge and shower on the passenger side. As the Glenbrook is.
The cold and hot water lines (and a 12v wire loom) are in the roof rib channel about 2 in. to the rear of the front closet and shower wall.
There's a ceiling panel joint there. Whichever ceiling panel covers the channel, needs to come down.
There's 4 clamps, not accessible, located between fridge and shower, and closet. The lines are one piece from under the lav to under the sink.
The only place the water lines need to be in the channel is between shower and closet.
I don't know how to replace the lines with the modules (cabinets) in place. Mine where all out when I replaced the lines with PEX.
Maybe some one else may have done this to shed more light how to replace the lines.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchen faucet [message #275623 is a reply to message #275614] |
Sat, 11 April 2015 07:15 |
Olly Schmidt
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Hello Bob,
> It sounds like you are discovering your coach in a good way.
Yep, by using it :)
> I hope you don't get discouraged.
I don't. And more importantly, SWMBO isn't getting discouraged either.
> As far as the leak, tell us a bit more about the
> location. It may be that a drain or freeze valve was left open.
I can't see the leak itself. Under the kitchen sink is a tiny bit of
water drips coming along the cold water inlet. However, whenever we have
turned on the water pump, the outside of the coach under the kitchen
window has two very distinct puddles. It doesn't change whether or not
we turn the kitchen faucet open or not.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchen faucet [message #275624 is a reply to message #275617] |
Sat, 11 April 2015 07:16 |
Olly Schmidt
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Adrien,
> If your model has the fridge and shower on the passenger side.
It is. Layout 3 iirc.
> [..] The cold and hot water lines (and a 12v wire loom) are in the
> roof rib channel about 2 in. to the rear of the front closet and
> shower wall. There's a ceiling panel joint there. Whichever ceiling
> panel covers the channel, needs to come down. There's 4 clamps, not
> accessible, located between fridge and shower, and closet. The lines
> are one piece from under the lav to under the sink. The only place the
> water lines need to be in the channel is between shower and closet. I
> don't know how to replace the lines with the modules (cabinets) in
> place. Mine where all out when I replaced the lines with PEX. Maybe
> some one else may have done this to shed more light how to replace the
> lines.
Thanks for the details. More places to look :)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchen faucet [message #275625 is a reply to message #275600] |
Sat, 11 April 2015 07:31 |
lqqkatjon
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Not sure of your model exactly.
Removal of the kitchen stove on my palm beach gives some access. It was not terrible to remove the stove, and nice to see and know what is back there.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchen faucet [message #275637 is a reply to message #275623] |
Sat, 11 April 2015 11:15 |
rvanwin
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Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Sat, 11 April 2015 07:15
I can't see the leak itself. Under the kitchen sink is a tiny bit of
water drips coming along the cold water inlet. However, whenever we have
turned on the water pump, the outside of the coach under the kitchen
window has two very distinct puddles. It doesn't change whether or not
we turn the kitchen faucet open or not.
If it is the cold water, the water line from the bath area goes over the top and behind the cabinet next to the stove. It then Tees into the city water line. The city water line comes in from the outside connection and runs toward the front, tees to the line from the roof, then on up to the kitchen sink. Also, there is a drain valve along that line. So, leaks could be the faucet connection, the drain valve, the tee or the connection at the city water. Water can run along the pipe and drip anywhere along the line. Given your description, I would guess you have a small leak at the faucet, and also at the drain valve. The drain valve should have a tube on it that runs down into the top of the wheel well which might show up as a puddle under or near the kitchen window. The hot water also has a drain valve and could account for the two puddles. So, perhaps the drains valves were left open? I think you access them from behind the kitchen drawers. There should be access hole there.
When replacing my headliner, I ran a screw into the cold water pipe. It looked like it would be very hard to replace that line going over the top of the coach. I tied into the cold water near the pump and ran a new line along the back, over the gen compartment, through the back of the closet and tied it into the original line behind where the stove is located. That was not difficult to do and saved trying to replace the line over the roof.
Randy & Margie
'77 Eleganza II '403'
Battlefield, MO
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchenfaucet [message #275646 is a reply to message #275637] |
Sat, 11 April 2015 16:50 |
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USAussie
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Randy,
The first time I saw the schematic of the house water system on a GMC and spotted that line I couldn't believe it, with all due
respect to the GMC engineers that came up with it I reckon it was Dumb with a CAPITAL "D!" For the life of me I couldn't figger out
why they didn't run an insulated line under the plywood floor.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchenfaucet
If it is the cold water, the water line from the bath area goes over the top and behind the cabinet next to the stove. It then Tees
into the city water line. The city water line comes in from the outside connection and runs toward the front, tees to the line from
the roof, then on up to the kitchen sink. Also, there is a drain valve along that line. So, leaks could be the faucet connection,
the drain valve, the tee or the connection at the city water. Water can run along the pipe and drip anywhere along the line. Given
your description, I would guess you have a small leak at the faucet, and also at the drain valve. The drain valve should have a
tube on it that runs down into the top of the wheel well which might show up as a puddle under or near the kitchen window. The hot
water also has a drain valve and could account for the two puddles. So, perhaps the drains valves were left open? I think you
access them from behind the kitchen drawers. There should be access hole there.
When replacing my headliner, I ran a screw into the cold water pipe. It looked like it would be very hard to replace that line
going over the top of the coach. I tied into the cold water near the pump and ran a new line along the back, over the gen
compartment, through the back of the closet and tied it into the original line behind where the stove is located. That was not
difficult to do and saved trying to replace the line over the roof.
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Randy & Margie
'77 Eleganza II '403'
Battlefield, MO
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchenfaucet [message #275686 is a reply to message #275646] |
Sun, 12 April 2015 12:08 |
Adrien G.
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From Rob M.,
The first time I saw the schematic of the house water system on a GMC and spotted that line I couldn't believe it, with all due
respect to the GMC engineers that came up with it I reckon it was Dumb with a CAPITAL "D!" For the life of me I couldn't figger out
why they didn't run an insulated line under the plywood floor.
Regards,
Rob M.
I respectfully disagree on that thought.
1) No space between frame tanks and floor.
2) It would just about be as hard to deal with it under there.
3) More vulnerable to freezing, and another place for a drain.
4) For assembly line purpose over the top was the easiest and fastest way.
5) These coaches where not expected to survive this long.
Because the PEX tube has a larger OD, and the water heater is now behind the refer, the hot line is in the rib
in front of the shower/closet, and the cold line in the rear rib both with some insulation.
The ceiling panels are short so the rib channel are open, but covered with a gap strip which is easily removed
for access.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom tokitchenfaucet [message #275693 is a reply to message #275686] |
Sun, 12 April 2015 17:18 |
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USAussie
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Adrien,
Upon reflection I kinda agree with you, however, they could have done what Avion did.
Avions have a water tank under the passenger side rear twin. Water goes to the pump directly behind the tank and then across the
rear of the coach and up the drivers side on the inside.
I guess GMC didn't want to spend the extra bucks it would have cost for the tubing to run it that way.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Adrien Genesoto
I respectfully disagree on that thought.
1) No space between frame tanks and floor.
2) It would just about be as hard to deal with it under there.
3) More vulnerable to freezing, and another place for a drain.
4) For assembly line purpose over the top was the easiest and fastest way.
5) These coaches where not expected to survive this long.
Because the PEX tube has a larger OD, and the water heater is now behind the refer, the hot line is in the rib
in front of the shower/closet, snd the cold line in the rear rib both with some insulation.
The ceiling panels are short so the rib channel are open, but covered with a gap strip which is easily removed
for access.
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"When we avoid the mistakes we might have made, we sometimes make the mistakes that we might have avoided."
Adrien
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom tokitchenfaucet [message #275731 is a reply to message #275693] |
Sun, 12 April 2015 23:02 |
Bob de Kruyff
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USAussie wrote on Sun, 12 April 2015 16:18Adrien,
Upon reflection I kinda agree with you, however, they could have done what Avion did.
Avions have a water tank under the passenger side rear twin. Water goes to the pump directly behind the tank and then across the
rear of the coach and up the drivers side on the inside.
I guess GMC didn't want to spend the extra bucks it would have cost for the tubing to run it that way.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Adrien Genesoto
I respectfully disagree on that thought.
1) No space between frame tanks and floor.
2) It would just about be as hard to deal with it under there.
3) More vulnerable to freezing, and another place for a drain.
4) For assembly line purpose over the top was the easiest and fastest way.
5) These coaches where not expected to survive this long.
Because the PEX tube has a larger OD, and the water heater is now behind the refer, the hot line is in the rib
in front of the shower/closet, snd the cold line in the rear rib both with some insulation.
The ceiling panels are short so the rib channel are open, but covered with a gap strip which is easily removed
for access.
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"When we avoid the mistakes we might have made, we sometimes make the mistakes that we might have avoided."
Adrien
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I suspect the design was all about assembly and the ability to slide the furnishings through the rear hatch.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchen faucet [message #275800 is a reply to message #275765] |
Mon, 13 April 2015 16:24 |
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Read here
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fresh-water-leak-from-city-water-connection/p26799-slide26.html
On Monday, April 13, 2015, Michael wrote:
> I was able to replace my water lines from behind the bath cabinet, over
> the top and to the sink on the other side.
> I used PEX and only removed the ceiling panel by the bathroom door.
> I used a connector above the ceiling panel, so the PEX was actually 2
> pieces.
> It was too difficult to route as one piece.
> I did not have to remove anything other than the ceiling panel.
> It took some time, but I managed to replace all the copper lines with PEX.
>
> So, it can be done, it just takes some time and a few body contortions to
> reach everything.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchen faucet [message #275910 is a reply to message #275868] |
Wed, 15 April 2015 11:24 |
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The last time I had a plumbing leak behind the cabinets, it turned out to be a cracked fitting on the line from the city water inlet to the kitchen sink faucet. I bought a braided steel line from the hardware store (Ace) and it was an exact fit. The city water inlet can be accessed from a removable panel in the back of the closet and the back panel of the sink cabinet is also removable.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing water line going from bathroom to kitchenfaucet [message #275931 is a reply to message #275910] |
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Carl,
Several years ago I rented a room in a two story home that belonged to an airline hostess in Humble because I was doing a lot of
work on Double Trouble. One morning as I was reading GMCnet messages I heard a strange hissing noise, I got up from the table in the
kitchen and looked around downstairs a bit but couldn't find anything wrong so I went back to my laptop. About 10 minutes later I
happened to look up and towards the dining room and I saw water dripping from the ceiling. I went upstairs and into the master
bathroom to find the braided steel line to the toilet spraying out water from the plastic nut that held it to the valve on the wall.
I turned it off and mopped up the water. I noticed that the plastic nut on the steel line was cracked. Fortunately no significant
damage had occurred as I caught the problem quickly. Later that day I went and bought a new line with a metal nut but did not
install it because I noted on the tag it said something along the lines of "hand tighten then turn a half a turn more." When the
hostess returned we went into the master bath where I turned the toilet supply valve on for a second to show her the problem (I
didn't want her to think it was something I had done in her absence). We then R&R'd the line and I followed the instructions on the
line. When we were finished she noted that that line had been leaking and she tightened it with a wrench to stop it. I explained by
doing so she put stress on the plastic nut which resulted in its cracking.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Stouffer
The last time I had a plumbing leak behind the cabinets, it turned out to be a cracked fitting on the line from the city water inlet
to the kitchen sink faucet. I bought a braided steel line from the hardware store (Ace) and it was an exact fit. The city water
inlet can be accessed from a removable panel in the back of the closet and the back panel of the sink cabinet is also removable.
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