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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275550] Thu, 09 April 2015 23:48 Go to next message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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Thanks Jerry. I have a 78 Royale. Checked the voltage at the house fuse that feeds the furnace. 13.783 volts. I'm plugged into shore power. So what would you consider low voltage at the furnace? I've got two electric heaters to get me by. Not the best. But beats 27 degrees. Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275556 is a reply to message #275550] Fri, 10 April 2015 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Thu, 09 April 2015 23:48

Thanks Jerry. I have a 78 Royale. Checked the voltage at the house fuse that feeds the furnace. 13.783 volts. I'm plugged into shore power. So what would you consider low voltage at the furnace? I've got two electric heaters to get me by. Not the best. But beats 27 degrees. Bob
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Not Jerry but that voltage should be OK. Your coach probably has a duo therm furnace. Here is a link to a manual.
http://www.bdub.net/manuals/DuoThermFurnace.pdf
HTH


Wally Anderson
Omaha NE
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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275567 is a reply to message #275550] Fri, 10 April 2015 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have 12.686 volts at the furnace when the blower is running. I also see spark for ignition. Sail switch is new. Taped on pipe to gas value while on with spark. I only get digest. So if you have an idea. send direct, and the net as Jerry, and Gordon have. Thanks. Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275585 is a reply to message #275550] Fri, 10 April 2015 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If the gas is turned on and present at the furnace and you can see a spark in the short time it is trying to light. The most likely cause is a faulty gas valve . They can have a burnt out coil or be stuck closed. I would vote for the latter. Connect a voltmeter to the coil and if there is 12 volts present at the coil when the igniter is sparking the valve is defective or stuck closed.

Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275587 is a reply to message #275567] Fri, 10 April 2015 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have 12.686 volts at the furnace when the blower is running. I also see spark for ignition. Sail switch is new. Now the furnace is out of it's own case. Plugged the 12 volt plug back in. Turned the thermostat up so the furnace came on. 8.52 volts to gas valve. Turned furnace off. Unplugged wires to gas valve. Gas valve had 36 OHM's. Hooked a 9 volt battery to gas valve. Nice solid click. Now what? Thanks. Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275590 is a reply to message #275587] Fri, 10 April 2015 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Someone asked what kind of furnace. It's a Suburban that's in a 78 Royale. The data tag is gone. Can someone tell me the model number. Thanks. Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275606 is a reply to message #275550] Fri, 10 April 2015 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,
Check each of the connections at the circuit board in the furnace. I was having similar issues and since I removed the circuit board and cleaned all of the connections it has worked correctly since.


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1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
1985 Buick Electra Park Avenue
1992 Camaro 25th Anniversary Heretage Edition Black
Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275613 is a reply to message #275590] Fri, 10 April 2015 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Fri, 10 April 2015 16:25

Someone asked what kind of furnace. It's a Suburban that's in a 78 Royale. The data tag is gone. Can someone tell me the model number. Thanks. Bob
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i suspect it is your flame detector--it doesn't know if the unit ignited.


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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275905 is a reply to message #275590] Wed, 15 April 2015 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It warmed up here. So a few days ago I decided that with the ideas I got in the way of input. When I get back home. I'm going to take the entire furnace apart. And clean every part and electrical connection. As it's in vary good condision over all. the Bob

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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275912 is a reply to message #275587] Wed, 15 April 2015 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Fri, 10 April 2015 15:18





I have 12.686 volts at the furnace when the blower is running. I also see spark for ignition. Sail switch is new. Now the furnace is out of it's own case. Plugged the 12 volt plug back in. Turned the thermostat up so the furnace came on. 8.52 volts to gas valve. Turned furnace off. Unplugged wires to gas valve. Gas valve had 36 OHM's. Hooked a 9 volt battery to gas valve. Nice solid click. Now what? Thanks. Bob
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Bob if the furnace didn't fire with the ignition sparking and a noticible click at the gas valve it either has no gas pressure at the valve or the valve is stuck closed.


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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275921 is a reply to message #275550] Wed, 15 April 2015 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Had kind of a similar issue with my Royale and Suburban furnace back in Dec. Had gas, had spark, had power, NO burn. (I did clean the burner out and such prior to this which is a good idea anyway, Ran a standard hacksaw blade across all the burner slots and it cleaned up very well) I ran the furnace all winter here without any further issues after replacing the limit or hi limit switch. I hope this helps. for 20 bucks its worth a shot. and it sounds like you will be pulling the furnace anyway to clean it so the switch will go in no problem.


For those interested, This was a suburban NT 30M.

The limit switch part number is 230496. 20 bucks or so sourced locally at an RV place. I dont know if my old switch was ever replaced but the stampings on the back were the same as the new one I put in in December of 2014.


77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy. Mid Michigan

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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275926 is a reply to message #275912] Wed, 15 April 2015 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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roy1 wrote on Wed, 15 April 2015 10:48
BobDunahugh wrote on Fri, 10 April 2015 15:18





I have 12.686 volts at the furnace when the blower is running. I also see spark for ignition. Sail switch is new. Now the furnace is out of it's own case. Plugged the 12 volt plug back in. Turned the thermostat up so the furnace came on. 8.52 volts to gas valve. Turned furnace off. Unplugged wires to gas valve. Gas valve had 36 OHM's. Hooked a 9 volt battery to gas valve. Nice solid click. Now what? Thanks. Bob
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Bob if the furnace didn't fire with the ignition sparking and a noticible click at the gas valve it either has no gas pressure at the valve or the valve is stuck closed.


You have to follow the initial cycle closely. Mine started with the fan cycle, then the click, and then a momentary ignition. The thermocouple had to be cleaned and adjusted so that it recognized that it ignited and let it stay on. Sometimes you can hear if it lights, but it's better if you have the viewing window to watch if there ever is an initial flame.


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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275951 is a reply to message #275905] Wed, 15 April 2015 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob. Well said. I think it's a gas valve issue. I think some part is stuck. I'm going to take it apart, and examine it's condition. Some graphite may do the job as some have stated. Bob
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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275956 is a reply to message #275951] Thu, 16 April 2015 00:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You stated somewhere in this thread that you had 8.? volts on the gas valve. Isn't that valve a 12 volt one? If so, then I would be looking at why there is only 8+ volts on it.



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Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #275969 is a reply to message #275550] Thu, 16 April 2015 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have you made sure there is no air in the line?
In start cycle they don't release that much LP so it can take a long time to bleed off.
Can you see a good blue spark when the igniter fires through the sight glass?
Does the range light /burn OK?
Have you checked the LP pressure with a manometer [~11 "WC]
Have you made sure no critters are blocking the vents outside?


76 Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] Help. 30 degrees out with snow. Furnace not lighting. [message #276009 is a reply to message #275951] Thu, 16 April 2015 23:21 Go to previous message
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I need to go back and check the voltage to the gas valve. But it did click when operated by the furnace. And by a 9 volt battery. The spark is clean, and blue. The furnace was working fine till 2:30 AM. The water heater, and stove are within 12 inches of the furnace. Both worked fine when operated at the same time. LP tank is over half full.
Bob Dunahugh
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