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Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Jerry & Audrey Holloway, SHE, and I left Patterson yesterday morning about,
I'd guess, 0830. The trip was uneventful until Alabama milepost about 80
on I-65, where traffic Stopped at about 1400. Many of you have heard about
the BAD accident at I-65 X69 at about 1700 in which there were 3 trucks, 2
cars, and one death involved. That was behind us. We were probably only
delayed for about 45 minutes to an hour by "our" accident, which was
apparently an SUV towing a large trailer down a steep embankment -- we
couldn't be sure. And because of the intense coverage of the later, worse
one, I can't find any information on the 'net about "ours".

The worst part, for us, was that the GMC's thermostatic fan don't thermo;
it just stays static. For 30 minutes or so the temp only crept up to
243*F. Then the traffic began to move in slow spurts so that I didn't dare
shut the engine down. By the time we crept the couple of miles to the
accident site, the temp was up to 260. Since the Cad had an OEM cutoff
switch set at 265 (OEM--no longer installed), I was beginning to think the
engine was getting HOT. Just as we got abeam of the accident, the engine
died and wouldn't restart while rolling on past the last obstacle.

I didn't hold up the caterpillar traffic and SHE was soon in the CRV
helping me up the slight grade to a parking spot on the shoulder a few
hundred yards further north. Sure glad she learned how to do that on our
trip back from CA. :-)

Jerry provided an electric fan for my Troy-Bilt generator to power, helping
to evacuate the hot air from the engine compartment. Within about 30-45
more minutes, the starter was able to turn the engine again (about 240*F),
so we carried on as normal; the engine was back to 196*F, as always,
within 3-4 miles. It seems no worse for the experience.

The bad part: The extension cord for the fan came out of the back of the
refrigerator compartment. But didn't go back there in the rush to get
rolling and cooling again. So the compartment cover is part of the
wreckage back at MP 80. :-( With its 4-color Topeka Graphics paint job.
Duplication of which will cost a lot more than the $40 door.

After a quiet, restful night in the Greenville, AL WalMart campground, we
had a nice drive across the beautifully green rolling hills of central
Alabama, through Troy. Since that's my birthplace and frequent childhood
stomping grounds, it was a nice day.

It was a great convention, as they always are since we get to spend time
with old friends and learn new things.

Y'All Come,

Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #274952 is a reply to message #274948] Fri, 03 April 2015 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glad you got home safe and sound Ken. Is it worth driving back over in the Honda to look for the vent?

Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #274953 is a reply to message #274952] Fri, 03 April 2015 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, if the Honda didn't roll over it, subsequent traffic, perhaps aided by
wind, probably did. The necessity to paint the replacement may be the
incentive to get the other needed touch-up work done.

Ken


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Kerry Pinkerton
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> Glad you got home safe and sound Ken. Is it worth driving back over in
> the Honda to look for the vent?
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama
>
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> goodies.
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #274954 is a reply to message #274948] Fri, 03 April 2015 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken--that just seem like any way to live.

Bob de Kruyff
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Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #274973 is a reply to message #274948] Sat, 04 April 2015 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

Glad to see you made it back. After Montgomery, I lost my refrigerator compartment cover, no doubt due to the same phenomenon. Only thing is, I didn't remember opening it in the first place. I probably did in the rush to get the brakes repaired. Did it and forgot I did it, the refrigerator didn't have power when hooking up, another surprise. Another thing on the pre-departure checklist.

Best,

Carey


Carey from Ennis, Texas 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #274974 is a reply to message #274948] Sat, 04 April 2015 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 20:53
Jerry & Audrey Holloway, SHE, and I left Patterson yesterday morning about,
I'd guess, 0830. The trip was uneventful until Alabama milepost about 80
on I-65, where traffic Stopped at about 1400. Many of you have heard about
the BAD accident at I-65 X69 at about 1700 in which there were 3 trucks, 2
cars, and one death involved. That was behind us. We were probably only
delayed for about 45 minutes to an hour by "our" accident, which was
apparently an SUV towing a large trailer down a steep embankment -- we
couldn't be sure. And because of the intense coverage of the later, worse
one, I can't find any information on the 'net about "ours".

The worst part, for us, was that the GMC's thermostatic fan don't thermo;
it just stays static. For 30 minutes or so the temp only crept up to
243*F. Then the traffic began to move in slow spurts so that I didn't dare
shut the engine down. By the time we crept the couple of miles to the
accident site, the temp was up to 260. Since the Cad had an OEM cutoff
switch set at 265 (OEM--no longer installed), I was beginning to think the
engine was getting HOT. Just as we got abeam of the accident, the engine
died and wouldn't restart while rolling on past the last obstacle.

I didn't hold up the caterpillar traffic and SHE was soon in the CRV
helping me up the slight grade to a parking spot on the shoulder a few
hundred yards further north. Sure glad she learned how to do that on our
trip back from CA. Smile

Jerry provided an electric fan for my Troy-Bilt generator to power, helping
to evacuate the hot air from the engine compartment. Within about 30-45
more minutes, the starter was able to turn the engine again (about 240*F),
so we carried on as normal; the engine was back to 196*F, as always,
within 3-4 miles. It seems no worse for the experience.

The bad part: The extension cord for the fan came out of the back of the
refrigerator compartment. But didn't go back there in the rush to get
rolling and cooling again. So the compartment cover is part of the
wreckage back at MP 80. Sad With its 4-color Topeka Graphics paint job.
Duplication of which will cost a lot more than the $40 door.

After a quiet, restful night in the Greenville, AL WalMart campground, we
had a nice drive across the beautifully green rolling hills of central
Alabama, through Troy. Since that's my birthplace and frequent childhood
stomping grounds, it was a nice day.

It was a great convention, as they always are since we get to spend time
with old friends and learn new things.

Y'All Come,

Ken H.
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Ken, glad to hear you made it OK. Funny how it all came to happen at the worst possible time.( Just as we got abeam of the accident, the engine
died and wouldn't restart while rolling on past the last obstacle.) Another "Murphy gotcha" I wonder if John Biwersi's 10 blade fan would have helped in that situation. 260* IS pretty damn hot!!


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #274978 is a reply to message #274948] Sat, 04 April 2015 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 20:53
...the GMC's thermostatic fan don't thermo;
it just stays static. ...


So you have an electric fan in front of the radiator that is SUPPOSED to come on if temp gets to the preset? I guess that is a really good idea in stop and go traffic especially because of lack of air flow through the radiator. I assume your fan clutch engaged?


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #274994 is a reply to message #274978] Sat, 04 April 2015 15:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, that's the bad part: I removed the electric fans when I installed the
AL radiator years ago. It was the failure of the engine-driven fan that
let the temp. rise. The only way I had to stop the rise was to shut the
engine down, but by the time I was ready to do that, traffic began to move
-- slooowwly.

I'll be giving serious though to reinstalling electric aux fan(s).

Ken


On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Kerry Pinkerton
wrote:

> Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 20:53
>> ...the GMC's thermostatic fan don't thermo;
>> it just stays static. ...
>
>
> So you have an electric fan in front of the radiator that is SUPPOSED to
> come on if temp gets to the preset? I guess that is a really good idea in
> stop and go traffic especially because of lack of air flow through the
> radiator. I assume your fan clutch engaged?
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama
>
> 77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum
> goodies.
>
> 76 Kingsley by Buskirk. Rear twins/dry bath, EFI Caddy.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275005 is a reply to message #274948] Sat, 04 April 2015 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry to be dense but are you saying the fan clutch did not engage to pull air through the radiator? If so that is an unusual failure mode isn't it? I thought the normal failure mode is that they don't cycle off?

Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275007 is a reply to message #275005] Sat, 04 April 2015 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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​I haven't heard the fan be noisy on start-up, and then quiet down, for a
long time so I can only assume that it's been just idling and not had the
ability to lock up. Nothing else makes sense to me now. I haven't yet
raised the hatch and spun the fan by hand, but I don't expect much
resistance. Locking up is definitely NOT the only failure mode.​

Ken

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Kerry Pinkerton
wrote:

> Sorry to be dense but are you saying the fan clutch did not engage to pull
> air through the radiator? If so that is an unusual failure mode isn't it?
> I thought the normal failure mode is that they don't cycle off?
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama
>
> 77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum
> goodies.
>
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>
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275008 is a reply to message #274948] Sat, 04 April 2015 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So moral of the story--- if you don't have fan noise in the morning at start up, you have a fan clutch problem. As you are low on siilicone fluid. The only way I can get mine too hot is continuous high speed driving. Hot stop and go traffic doesn't phase it.

John Lebetski
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275035 is a reply to message #275005] Sat, 04 April 2015 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kerry pinkerton wrote on Sat, 04 April 2015 15:25
Sorry to be dense but are you saying the fan clutch did not engage to pull air through the radiator? If so that is an unusual failure mode isn't it? I thought the normal failure mode is that they don't cycle off?

Kerry, I think the normal failure is to not cycle on or engage resulting in very how water.


Bob de Kruyff
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275036 is a reply to message #275008] Sat, 04 April 2015 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnL455 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2015 16:51
So moral of the story--- if you don't have fan noise in the morning at start up, you have a fan clutch problem. As you are low on siilicone fluid. The only way I can get mine too hot is continuous high speed driving. Hot stop and go traffic doesn't phase it.

Interesting thought but I don't think it always works that way


Bob de Kruyff
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275136 is a reply to message #274948] Mon, 06 April 2015 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Welcome to the Dead Fan Clutch Society. You're luckier than me - the Atlanta I75-85 run through the city got us, and Sam can't drive the Kia to push (he bit a cop and got his license lifted). I've got the JimK recommended and suppled clutch in the original box, it goes on as a part of repairs.upgrades for the summer. We had to have a trooper block traffic and a HERO pull us off the freeway. Hour l;ater, fired up and ran.

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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275213 is a reply to message #275136] Mon, 06 April 2015 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Under the GMC today to check out the fan -- spun very easily. So, I found
a "probably good" 2747 in my storage shed and installed it. Probably took
15 minutes (love that split fiberglass fan shroud held on with 8 machine
screws) to swap them out. I didn't drive it, so I don't know whether
there's any difference in fan action after initial warm up.

Regardless, I think I'll re-install at least one electric fan, hopefully
large enough to prevent such extreme overheating if the engine fan does
fail again. Because I know how un-aerodynamic a free-spinning prop (fan)
can be, I may even put a mechanical lock on it while it's just along for
the ride.

Ken H.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:

> Welcome to the Dead Fan Clutch Society. You're luckier than me - the
> Atlanta I75-85 run through the city got us, and Sam can't drive the Kia to
> push
> (he bit a cop and got his license lifted). I've got the JimK recommended
> and suppled clutch in the original box, it goes on as a part of
> repairs.upgrades for the summer. We had to have a trooper block traffic
> and a HERO pull us off the freeway. Hour l;ater, fired up and ran.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275264 is a reply to message #275213] Tue, 07 April 2015 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If its a DC brushed motor powering it, you might be able to get it to brake itself by using a double pole double throw switch that disconnects and shorts together both the + and - leads from the motor...........
but is a windmilling prop is anymore unaerodynamic than a simply stalled one (feathered is different)?

Probably a question for my son, the aerospace engineer in the family......

Has anyone taken one of the existing fans apart and see what is "failing" and perhaps what could be done so that they reliably fail safe, ie engaged?


Pete



Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 19:11
Under the GMC today to check out the fan -- spun very easily. So, I found
a "probably good" 2747 in my storage shed and installed it. Probably took
15 minutes (love that split fiberglass fan shroud held on with 8 machine
screws) to swap them out. I didn't drive it, so I don't know whether
there's any difference in fan action after initial warm up.

Regardless, I think I'll re-install at least one electric fan, hopefully
large enough to prevent such extreme overheating if the engine fan does
fail again. Because I know how un-aerodynamic a free-spinning prop (fan)
can be, I may even put a mechanical lock on it while it's just along for
the ride.

Ken H.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:

> Welcome to the Dead Fan Clutch Society. You're luckier than me - the
> Atlanta I75-85 run through the city got us, and Sam can't drive the Kia to
> push
> (he bit a cop and got his license lifted). I've got the JimK recommended
> and suppled clutch in the original box, it goes on as a part of
> repairs.upgrades for the summer. We had to have a trooper block traffic
> and a HERO pull us off the freeway. Hour l;ater, fired up and ran.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275268 is a reply to message #275264] Tue, 07 April 2015 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A windmilling airplane propeller definitely creates more drag than a stationary propeller. Windmilling would probably also reduce the airflow through a radiator if the propeller was closely shrouded.

Bill Freeman
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Bill Freeman wrote on Tue, 07 April 2015 11:29
A windmilling airplane propeller definitely creates more drag than a stationary propeller. Windmilling would probably also reduce the airflow through a radiator if the propeller was closely shrouded.



http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/misc/prop.pdf

It appears that windmilling does not always increase drag.....it depends on the pitch and length of the prop. and can in fact, decrease drag.

Pete


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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275281 is a reply to message #275264] Tue, 07 April 2015 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, here is an answer from my Aerospace engineer daughter.
"A windmilling prop is going to create more drag than a feathered or braked prop. The windmilling prop is spinning around creating drag across a disc shaped area.)

A windmilling prop is like a maple seed falling, or a helicopter auto rotating as it falls.

Nelson Wright
Orlando FL
78 Royale rear bath

On Apr 7, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

> If its a DC brushed motor powering it, you might be able to get it to brake itself by using a double pole double throw switch that disconnects and
> shorts together both the + and - leads from the motor...........
> but is a windmilling prop is anymore unaerodynamic than a simply stalled one (feathered is different)?
>
> Probably a question for my son, the aerospace engineer in the family......
>
> Has anyone taken one of the existing fans apart and see what is "failing" and perhaps what could be done so that they reliably fail safe, ie engaged?
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 19:11
>> Under the GMC today to check out the fan -- spun very easily. So, I found
>> a "probably good" 2747 in my storage shed and installed it. Probably took
>> 15 minutes (love that split fiberglass fan shroud held on with 8 machine
>> screws) to swap them out. I didn't drive it, so I don't know whether
>> there's any difference in fan action after initial warm up.
>>
>> Regardless, I think I'll re-install at least one electric fan, hopefully
>> large enough to prevent such extreme overheating if the engine fan does
>> fail again. Because I know how un-aerodynamic a free-spinning prop (fan)
>> can be, I may even put a mechanical lock on it while it's just along for
>> the ride.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to the Dead Fan Clutch Society. You're luckier than me - the
>>> Atlanta I75-85 run through the city got us, and Sam can't drive the Kia to
>>> push
>>> (he bit a cop and got his license lifted). I've got the JimK recommended
>>> and suppled clutch in the original box, it goes on as a part of
>>> repairs.upgrades for the summer. We had to have a trooper block traffic
>>> and a HERO pull us off the freeway. Hour l;ater, fired up and ran.
>>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Made It Home [message #275290 is a reply to message #275281] Tue, 07 April 2015 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Whats the pitch on a Maple seed and is it the rotation that adds the drag or is the rotation that simply keeps the seed in the attitude relative to the ground that provides maximum drag?
Similarly is the pitch of a helicopter blade in auto rotate the same as that when its in a powered lift?

Feathering of course is quite different as that reduces the pitch to zero or near zero so it results in minimum drag and provides no force to cause it to windmill....ie its not really a prop anymore and
its not stopping the spinning that reduces the drag but reducing the pitch that stops it spinning.


The research I linked to suggests that will be the case with at least some pitches of props.


Either way I suspect the effect on a electric cooling fan on a GMC would be negliable......and perhaps not worth adding extra parts that could fail in order to prevent it windmilling.
I had an electric cooling fan on my Ginetta G30 in the 80s and it had no brake as far as I recall.



Pete



e title=Nelson wrote on Tue, 07 April 2015 12:43]Well, here is an answer from my Aerospace engineer daughter.
"A windmilling prop is going to create more drag than a feathered or braked prop. The windmilling prop is spinning around creating drag across a disc shaped area.)

A windmilling prop is like a maple seed falling, or a helicopter auto rotating as it falls.

Nelson Wright
Orlando FL
78 Royale rear bath

On Apr 7, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

> If its a DC brushed motor powering it, you might be able to get it to brake itself by using a double pole double throw switch that disconnects and
> shorts together both the + and - leads from the motor...........
> but is a windmilling prop is anymore unaerodynamic than a simply stalled one (feathered is different)?
>
> Probably a question for my son, the aerospace engineer in the family......
>
> Has anyone taken one of the existing fans apart and see what is "failing" and perhaps what could be done so that they reliably fail safe, ie engaged?
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 19:11
>> Under the GMC today to check out the fan -- spun very easily. So, I found
>> a "probably good" 2747 in my storage shed and installed it. Probably took
>> 15 minutes (love that split fiberglass fan shroud held on with 8 machine
>> screws) to swap them out. I didn't drive it, so I don't know whether
>> there's any difference in fan action after initial warm up.
>>
>> Regardless, I think I'll re-install at least one electric fan, hopefully
>> large enough to prevent such extreme overheating if the engine fan does
>> fail again. Because I know how un-aerodynamic a free-spinning prop (fan)
>> can be, I may even put a mechanical lock on it while it's just along for
>> the ride.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to the Dead Fan Clutch Society. You're luckier than me - the
>>> Atlanta I75-85 run through the city got us, and Sam can't drive the Kia to
>>> push
>>> (he bit a cop and got his license lifted). I've got the JimK recommended
>>> and suppled clutch in the original box, it goes on as a part of
>>> repairs.upgrades for the summer. We had to have a trooper block traffic
>>> and a HERO pull us off the freeway. Hour l;ater, fired up and ran.
>>>
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