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[GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274195] Sun, 22 March 2015 13:36 Go to next message
mjbourgon is currently offline  mjbourgon   United States
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Good morning all
Is there a good way to separate the two pieces of the steering slipshaft
and then recoat the blue coating
Thanks
Marcel
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274196 is a reply to message #274195] Sun, 22 March 2015 13:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes. Alex is doing this:
https://www.facebook.com/alex.ferrara.142/posts/788591147884093

http://www.metcoat.com/ceramic-epoxy-coating.htm
Must brush on coats checking fit after each coat. 2 - 3 coats required.
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> Is there a good way to separate the two pieces of the steering slipshaft
> and then recoat the blue coating
> Thanks
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274199 is a reply to message #274195] Sun, 22 March 2015 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It took a truly ludicrous amount of force to separate mine. I would recommend some sort of come-along to pull it apart in a controlled manner. Luckily Alex was in the area to help me rehab it and put it back together.

Dan

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> On Mar 22, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Marcel J. Bourgon wrote:
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> Thanks
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274200 is a reply to message #274199] Sun, 22 March 2015 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I tried last season to pull mine apart and it wouldn't budge... I'm planning to use a Hi-Lift jack this time.

I'll search locally - but I'll be surprised if I can find the ceramic-epoxy coating locally. Is that the only option?

Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath

On 2015-03-22, at 1:49 PM, Daniel DeLuca wrote:

> It took a truly ludicrous amount of force to separate mine. I would recommend some sort of come-along to pull it apart in a controlled manner. Luckily Alex was in the area to help me rehab it and put it back together.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Marcel J. Bourgon wrote:
>>
>> Good morning all
>> Is there a good way to separate the two pieces of the steering slipshaft and then recoat the blue coating
>> Thanks
>> Marcel
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274202 is a reply to message #274200] Sun, 22 March 2015 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Of course not. There's always Jim to the rescue:
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/781

I think Dave does them as well.
http://www.bdub.net/lenzi/index.html#Steering_Shaft

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Is that the only option?



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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274206 is a reply to message #274195] Sun, 22 March 2015 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I used a 2 ton floor jack to separate. I threaded several wraps of 1/8 " wire rope through the U joints and went to the cup up top and axle on bottom. Took a lot of force. Separated with a bang

John Lebetski
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274210 is a reply to message #274206] Sun, 22 March 2015 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1) If the Splined Shaft is stuck can't be removed, stand the Yoke and Splined Shaft vertically in vise and spray penetrating fluid at the point where the splined shaft enters the Yoke. Repeat this process for several days attempting to pull the splined shaft out of the yoke.

2) If the Splined Shaft cannot be pulled out after several days of soaking it with penetrating fluid manufacture a tool as pictured below from black or galvanized 1 ½" pipe and cap.

3) Measure and record the distance from the bottom of the threaded section on the Splined Shaft to where it enters the yoke

4) Drill a 7/16 inch hole in the pipe cap

5) Lubricate the cap and pipe threads with moly grease and screw the cap onto the pipe finger tight.

6) Cut the pipe / cap to the dimension recorded in step 3) above.

7) De-burr the pipe internally and externally

Cool Lubricate the ID of the pipe and OD of the Splined Shaft with Moly grease

9) Slip the pipe and cap over the Splined Shaft (1) and tighten the Nut on the spline shaft exposed threads

10) Clamp the cap in a vice and using a pipe wrench unscrew the pipe from the cap

11) You may need to remove the pipe and cap tool and insert some 1 ½" ID spacers to pull the Splined Shaft out of the Yoke far enough to be able to pull it by hand.

12) Do not disassemble the Universal Joint



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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274211 is a reply to message #274202] Sun, 22 March 2015 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Bdub,

The company that makes them went bankrupt and according to Dave Lenzi the receivers are hell to deal with and he has none to sell.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

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From: Billy Massey


Of course not. There's always Jim to the rescue:
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/781

I think Dave does them as well.
http://www.bdub.net/lenzi/index.html#Steering_Shaft

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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274214 is a reply to message #274210] Sun, 22 March 2015 23:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Where is the referenced photo?


On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Robert Mueller
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>
> 2) If the Splined Shaft cannot be pulled out after several days of soaking
> it with penetrating fluid manufacture a tool as pictured below from black
> or galvanized 1 ½" pipe and cap.
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274215 is a reply to message #274214] Sun, 22 March 2015 23:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Billy,

I have no bloody idea! The text is out of a procedure I'm working to verify the steering box is on high center.

I found it once but for the life of me I can't find it again!

This evening I tried searching the Photo Site for:

Steering

Shaft

Stuck

Column

And I could not find it!

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Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

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Where is the referenced photo?


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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274216 is a reply to message #274215] Mon, 23 March 2015 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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USAussie wrote on Sun, 22 March 2015 23:24
Billy,
I have no bloody idea! The text is out of a procedure I'm working to verify the steering box is on high center.

I found it once but for the life of me I can't find it again!

This evening I tried searching the Photo Site for:

Steering

Shaft

Stuck

Column

And I could not find it!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
I searched for "blue" and got this on the second page:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/oddsnends/p48714-intermediate-shaft-spreader-2fpuller.html
Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274217 is a reply to message #274216] Mon, 23 March 2015 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Good On Yah, Mate!

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Rob M.
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USAussie - Downunder

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USAussie wrote on Sun, 22 March 2015 23:24
> Billy,
> I have no bloody idea! The text is out of a procedure I'm working to verify the steering box is on high center.
>
> I found it once but for the life of me I can't find it again!
>
> This evening I tried searching the Photo Site for:
>
> Steering
>
> Shaft
>
> Stuck
>
> Column
>
> And I could not find it!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
I searched for "blue" and got this on the second page:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/oddsnends/p48714-intermediate-shaft-spreader-2fpuller.html

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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274218 is a reply to message #274217] Mon, 23 March 2015 06:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I get it now!

A picture is worth a thousand words.
bdub
On Mar 23, 2015 12:16 AM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:

> Good On Yah, Mate!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> USAussie - Downunder
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> -----Original Message-----
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>
> USAussie wrote on Sun, 22 March 2015 23:24
>> Billy,
>> I have no bloody idea! The text is out of a procedure I'm working to
> verify the steering box is on high center.
>>
>> I found it once but for the life of me I can't find it again!
>>
>> This evening I tried searching the Photo Site for:
>>
>> Steering
>>
>> Shaft
>>
>> Stuck
>>
>> Column
>>
>> And I could not find it!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
> I searched for "blue" and got this on the second page:
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/oddsnends/p48714-intermediate-shaft-spreader-2fpuller.html
>
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274219 is a reply to message #274206] Mon, 23 March 2015 06:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mar 22, 2015, at 8:09 PM, John R.Lebetski wrote:
>
> I used a 2 ton floor jack to separate. I threaded several wraps of 1/8 " wire rope through the U joints and went to the cup up top and axle on bottom.
> Took a lot of force. Separated with a bang

I use an air chisel to separate them - clamp one piece in a vise...use the air chisel against the other piece...and drive them apart. Use a blunt ended attachment on the air chisel of course.

--Jim "saving the lives of Onans...one unit at a time" Miller
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274221 is a reply to message #274195] Mon, 23 March 2015 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All this can be avoided by applying grease to the zerk provided on the shaft. Even without the upper boot in place, most water is forced out This means YOU Mr. or Mrs PO. Once in 15 years does not cut it. There is also a zerk on the lower U joint whlie you are there.

John Lebetski
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274222 is a reply to message #274210] Mon, 23 March 2015 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Or do this
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6091-steering-shaft.html


On Sunday, March 22, 2015, Robert Mueller wrote:

> 1) If the Splined Shaft is stuck can't be removed, stand the Yoke and
> Splined Shaft vertically in vise and spray penetrating fluid at the point
> where
> the splined shaft enters the Yoke. Repeat this process for several days
> attempting to pull the splined shaft out of the yoke.
>
> 2) If the Splined Shaft cannot be pulled out after several days of soaking
> it with penetrating fluid manufacture a tool as pictured below from black
> or galvanized 1 ½" pipe and cap.
>
> 3) Measure and record the distance from the bottom of the threaded section
> on the Splined Shaft to where it enters the yoke
>
> 4) Drill a 7/16 inch hole in the pipe cap
>
> 5) Lubricate the cap and pipe threads with moly grease and screw the cap
> onto the pipe finger tight.
>
> 6) Cut the pipe / cap to the dimension recorded in step 3) above.
>
> 7) De-burr the pipe internally and externally
>
> 8) Lubricate the ID of the pipe and OD of the Splined Shaft with Moly
> grease
>
> 9) Slip the pipe and cap over the Splined Shaft (1) and tighten the Nut on
> the spline shaft exposed threads
>
> 10) Clamp the cap in a vice and using a pipe wrench unscrew the pipe from
> the cap
>
> 11) You may need to remove the pipe and cap tool and insert some 1 ½" ID
> spacers to pull the Splined Shaft out of the Yoke far enough to be able to
> pull it by hand.
>
> 12) Do not disassemble the Universal Joint
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Rob M. (USAussie)
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274224 is a reply to message #274202] Mon, 23 March 2015 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks - but cross border purchases are more of a PITA than they're quite often worth!! If I was on the continent - I may ship to a border town and deal with it that way - but being on an island has it's pro's and con's...

I'll probably grease the hell out of it and continue to do so until I can take care of it properly...

Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath

On 2015-03-22, at 3:17 PM, Billy Massey wrote:

> Of course not. There's always Jim to the rescue:
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/781
>
> I think Dave does them as well.
> http://www.bdub.net/lenzi/index.html#Steering_Shaft
>
> bdub
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #274239 is a reply to message #274224] Mon, 23 March 2015 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day, Today I checked my steering box to make sure it was on hi-center when going straight. Part of doing so required the removal of the lower steering shaft (that's what GMC calls it). After removing it I discovered it was frozen. I was able to remove it with a minimal amount of trouble by removing the CV joint and boot, reinstalling the CV joint retaining nut, putting the yoke in a vise and driving the blue shaft out of the yoke using a 2 x 2 and a hammer. After getting it apart I found that the ID of the yoke had rusted despite being greased regularly. The cork seal around the blue shaft had perished and water got into yoke and rusted it. The reason it rusted is because grease plugged the drain hole at the bottom of the yoke and water could not drain out. After having a quick chat with Dave Lenzi I decided to knock the plug out of the yoke and install two boots on the unit. One around the CV joint (OEM part) and a second around the top of the yoke. I didn't bother to install the perished cork seal. I will seal the flange where water can enter the CV joint flange.

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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #275037 is a reply to message #274239] Sat, 04 April 2015 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob,

You need to get the new lower boot from Alex; it fits much better at the
top than any I've seen before and shouldn't admit any water.

Ken H.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Robert Mueller
wrote:

> G'day, Today I checked my steering box to make sure it was on hi-center
> when going straight. Part of doing so required the removal of the lower
> steering shaft (that's what GMC calls it). After removing it I discovered
> it was frozen. I was able to remove it with a minimal amount of trouble by
> removing the CV joint and boot, reinstalling the CV joint retaining nut,
> putting the yoke in a vise and driving the blue shaft out of the yoke using
> a
> 2 x 2 and a hammer. After getting it apart I found that the ID of the yoke
> had rusted despite being greased regularly. The cork seal around the blue
> shaft had perished and water got into yoke and rusted it. The reason it
> rusted is because grease plugged the drain hole at the bottom of the yoke
> and
> water could not drain out. After having a quick chat with Dave Lenzi I
> decided to knock the plug out of the yoke and install two boots on the unit.
> One around the CV joint (OEM part) and a second around the top of the
> yoke. I didn't bother to install the perished cork seal. I will seal the
> flange
> where water can enter the CV joint flange.
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] slipshaft repairing [message #275041 is a reply to message #275037] Sun, 05 April 2015 00:20 Go to previous message
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Ken,

NOW you tell me! I'm back in Sydney! ;-)

I'll drop Alex a note and get him to send a couple of them to John Sharpe in Humble, TX.

Thanks,
Rob M.


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Rob,

You need to get the new lower boot from Alex; it fits much better at the top than any I've seen before and shouldn't admit any
water.

Ken H.

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