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[GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273671] Sat, 14 March 2015 09:10 Go to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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G'day,

Here is a link to an album showing a SERIOUS problem with new production OEM brake master cylinders.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6753-new-oem-brake-master-cylinders.html

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428


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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273672 is a reply to message #273671] Sat, 14 March 2015 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Rob,

I just passed that information to Jerry Holloway, who'd just called to say
he's going to buy a new MC to replace the rebuilt one with which he's been
unable to bleed his brakes.

It's probably an optical illusion, but it looks to me as if the modified
flange is not flat (nut bearing surface parallel to the mounting face). If
so, the stud will be adversely loaded when the nut's tightened -- could be
almost as bad as insufficient threads.

Be careful when grinding those flanges!

Ken H.


On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> G'day,
>
> Here is a link to an album showing a SERIOUS problem with new production
> OEM brake master cylinders.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6753-new-oem-brake-master-cylinders.html
>
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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273673 is a reply to message #273672] Sat, 14 March 2015 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Ken,

I was wondering who was going to spot that, it is an optical illusion; I've noted in one of the photos that I measured the flanges
from all directions to verify it was flat. It's not PERFECTLY flat but it's not off enough to cause a problem.

Dave machines the flange.

Regards,
Rob M.


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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem

Rob,

I just passed that information to Jerry Holloway, who'd just called to say
he's going to buy a new MC to replace the rebuilt one with which he's been
unable to bleed his brakes.

It's probably an optical illusion, but it looks to me as if the modified
flange is not flat (nut bearing surface parallel to the mounting face). If
so, the stud will be adversely loaded when the nut's tightened -- could be
almost as bad as insufficient threads.

Be careful when grinding those flanges!

Ken H.


On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> G'day,
>
> Here is a link to an album showing a SERIOUS problem with new production
> OEM brake master cylinders.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6753-new-oem-brake-master-cylinders.html
>
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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273677 is a reply to message #273671] Sat, 14 March 2015 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob,

Was this the part the Raybestos crosses to the OE part number?
Or just the closest that they have?
Should we bitch at Raybestos?? They might not even know that they are selling junk. (I have know this to happen when nobody complained.)

Matt


USAussie wrote on Sat, 14 March 2015 10:10
G'day,

Here is a link to an album showing a SERIOUS problem with new production OEM brake master cylinders.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6753-new-oem-brake-master-cylinders.html

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder



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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273687 is a reply to message #273671] Sat, 14 March 2015 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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USAussie wrote on Sat, 14 March 2015 09:10
G'day,

Here is a link to an album showing a SERIOUS problem with new production OEM brake master cylinders.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6753-new-oem-brake-master-cylinders.html

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428


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I bought an AC Delco 18M92 original style master November 2014 and the flanges thickness measures .610-.630. Not installed yet.


Wally Anderson
Omaha NE
75 Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273696 is a reply to message #273671] Sat, 14 March 2015 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mild bill is currently offline  mild bill   Canada
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A lot of the stuff I see I think with their crap cast iron of questionable quality they just decide to go thicker or make changes however they feel. The material they use is such crap that some of the master cylinders we get last only 3 or 4 months. Yeah this equipment is being used 15 to 20 hours a day but they don't use brakes unless they need to. Before Offshore masters they would last about 6 years, lucky if we get a year now. Haven't bothered checking if it's bad cups or crap cast iron or a combination of the two however don't expect service life like good old made in USA. I bought AC Delco rear wheel bearings today for my 1999 Suburban and wheel cylinders "Made in China", AC Delco Rear wheel bearings " Made in China".
I hope AC Delco has better quality control than some of this other crap.
risk management, some of this stuff is real crap. You may feel good when you save significant money purchasing something from an offshore manufacture nowadays but a real crapshoot as to if it's safe or how long it will last or if it will be the one $50 part that ends up draining your bank account another $6000
Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273698 is a reply to message #273687] Sat, 14 March 2015 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Wally,

Was it made in China?

Regards,
Rob M.

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I bought an AC Delco 18M92 original style master November 2014 and the flanges thickness measures .610-.630. Not installed yet.
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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273710 is a reply to message #273698] Sat, 14 March 2015 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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USAussie wrote on Sat, 14 March 2015 20:40
Wally,

Was it made in China?

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wally Anderson

I bought an AC Delco 18M92 original style master November 2014 and the flanges thickness measures .610-.630. Not installed yet.
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Rob, I've pitched the box and the master doesn't have any origin or even Delco on it. Amazon puchase.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C9E9NI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I assumed Delco brand would be good stuff. After reading Amazons description they say Delco stuff is built by "partners"


Wally Anderson
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75 Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273712 is a reply to message #273710] Sat, 14 March 2015 23:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Wally,

Thanks for the info.

I bought the Raybestos master cylinder because Dave noted they were the only company still making them in the USA. When it arrived I
called him and told him that was no longer true and he was most disappointed.

Dave is a died in the wool, true blue, GM guy, having to buy parts for GM vehicles made in China bothers him a great deal as he
worked for GM his entire career.

Regards,
Rob M.

PS - Click on the bottom photo in the Amazon ad and you can see MADE IN USA cast into the side of the master cylinder!

-----Original Message-----
From: Wally Anderson

Rob, I've pitched the box and the master doesn't have any origin or even Delco on it. Amazon puchase.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C9E9NI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I assumed Delco brand would be good stuff. After reading Amazons description they say Delco stuff is built by "partners"
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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273724 is a reply to message #273671] Sun, 15 March 2015 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has anyone tried to rebuild an original MC? is it even feasible? I did think that there were rebuild kits available.

John T. Humble Texas. '77 Eleganza II? '74 Sequioa (Parts coach)
Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273725 is a reply to message #273677] Sun, 15 March 2015 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Matt,

Dave told me that he has purchased new OEM master cylinders from a number of different manufacturers and they all have the same
problem with the flange.

Regards,
Rob M.


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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Matt Colie
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem

Rob,

Was this the part the Raybestos crosses to the OE part number?
Or just the closest that they have?
Should we bitch at Raybestos?? They might not even know that they are selling junk. (I have know this to happen when nobody
complained.)

Matt


USAussie wrote on Sat, 14 March 2015 10:10
> G'day,
>
> Here is a link to an album showing a SERIOUS problem with new production OEM brake master cylinders.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6753-new-oem-brake-master-cylinders.html
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder


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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273941 is a reply to message #273725] Wed, 18 March 2015 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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I have added a photo of the parts tag for the Raybestos Master Cylinder.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6753/Raybestos.jpg


Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273943 is a reply to message #273941] Wed, 18 March 2015 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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USAussie wrote on Wed, 18 March 2015 08:49
I have added a photo of the parts tag for the Raybestos Master Cylinder.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6753/Raybestos.jpg

Rob, we get off on tangents with these threads but I think you have alerted us to a big deal here.


Bob de Kruyff
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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273954 is a reply to message #273941] Wed, 18 March 2015 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Got this master cylinder ( M/C ) from Jim K. at Applied GMC a couple of years ago , Hmmm? Wonder which M/C part number is correct , the one shown in the photo

is identical to the one on our '78 Birchaven with a 403.

Cheers......Albert
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Re: [GMCnet] New production OEM brake master cylinders problem [message #273974 is a reply to message #273943] Wed, 18 March 2015 18:57 Go to previous message
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Bob,

Thanks, but don't applaud too hard for me I was only Dave Lenzi's messenger! He's the guy that discovered this but he's way to busy
supporting us with high quality hardware to post to the GMCnet!

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: Bob de Kruyff

Rob, we get off on tangents with these threads but I think you have alerted us to a big deal here.

Bob

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