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| (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271844] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 20:21  |
lotsofspareparts
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So me and my instructor went out and did some steep turns (45), did some slow flight on our way back to the airport. Were on the 45 for the DW and he says give me 2 touch and goes and a full stop landing in the parking area and you are gonna go solo.
He signed my logbook and my medical certificate and said I'll see you when you get back.
Start the plane (1979 Cessna 172N w/180hp Lycoming N5520D), taxi down to the run up area.
Start my "Before Takeoff" checklist, get down to the run up for mag check.
1700 RPM, Left mag, little drop in the RPM, back to both. Left and then Right mag........ Right Mag........ Chug, Chug, Chug. 250 drop on the RPMs.
Well shit.
Back to both mags, 1200 RPM, release the parking brake,taxi back to the hangar.
I still don't know if I should laugh or cry. I would appreciate suggestions on that though.
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Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
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| Re: [GMCnet] (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271846 is a reply to message #271844] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 20:36  |
Dolph Santorine
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Best finding that out in the run up than needing it on the climb out.
Dolph Santorine
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> On Feb 12, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Jared wrote:
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> So me and my instructor went out and did some steep turns (45), did some slow flight on our way back to the airport. Were on the 45 for the DW and he
> says give me 2 touch and goes and a full stop landing in the parking area and you are gonna go solo.
>
> He signed my logbook and my medical certificate and said I'll see you when you get back.
>
> Start the plane (1979 Cessna 172N w/180hp Lycoming N5520D), taxi down to the run up area.
>
> Start my "Before Takeoff" checklist, get down to the run up for mag check.
>
> 1700 RPM, Left mag, little drop in the RPM, back to both. Left and then Right mag........ Right Mag........ Chug, Chug, Chug. 250 drop on the RPMs.
>
> Well shit.
>
> Back to both mags, 1200 RPM, release the parking brake,taxi back to the hangar.
>
> I still don't know if I should laugh or cry. I would appreciate suggestions on that though.
>
> ..........................
>
> Jared
> --
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| Re: (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271848 is a reply to message #271844] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 22:03 |
cbryan
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Jared,
My flight instructor said something to me that stuck: "Far better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than to be in the air wishing you were on the ground." There will be another magneto and another day.
Wear the shirt for the next time.
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271849 is a reply to message #271848] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 22:08 |
Mr ERFisher
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Would not happen in a gmc
On Thursday, February 12, 2015, Carey Bryan wrote:
> Jared,
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> My flight instructor said something to me that stuck: "Far better to be
> on the ground wishing you were in the air, than to be in the air wishing you
> were on the ground." There will be another magneto and another day.
>
> Wear the shirt for the next time.
>
> Carey
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| Re: (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271850 is a reply to message #271848] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 22:11 |
lotsofspareparts
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cbryan wrote on Thu, 12 February 2015 20:03Jared,
My flight instructor said something to me that stuck: "Far better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than to be in the air wishing you were on the ground." There will be another magneto and another day.
Wear the shirt for the next time.
Carey
I'm going to wear the same shirt on Saturday that I did today.
Good words though. That is why you do the run up. Make sure you have a running airplane.
Still upset though.
More likely it was a fouled plug than a bad mag.
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: [GMCnet] (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271851 is a reply to message #271849] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 22:17 |
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 12 February 2015 20:08Would not happen in a gmc
On Thursday, February 12, 2015, Carey Bryan wrote:
> Jared,
>
> My flight instructor said something to me that stuck: "Far better to be
> on the ground wishing you were in the air, than to be in the air wishing you
> were on the ground." There will be another magneto and another day.
>
> Wear the shirt for the next time.
>
> Carey
> --
> Carey from Ennis, Texas
> 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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Certainly could happen in a GMC MH. They don't fly though, therefore they don't have twin magnetos. The dual magnetos is a fail safe. You have a redundant system in a piston powered airplane. 2 engine driven Magnetos, normally you fly on both. If one fails you still have one to make it to an airport.
What happens when you lose the single distributor in our MH's........
Jared
Edit, that is also why I started this topic as NON GMC.
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
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| Re: [GMCnet] (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271853 is a reply to message #271850] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 22:43 |
GMC.LES
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Just remember this:
There are lots of old pilots
There are some bold pilots.
There are very few old bold pilots.
Which one do you want to be?
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Jared wrote:
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> cbryan wrote on Thu, 12 February 2015 20:03
>> Jared,
>>
>> My flight instructor said something to me that stuck: "Far better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than to be in the air wishing
>> you were on the ground." There will be another magneto and another day.
>>
>> Wear the shirt for the next time.
>>
>> Carey
>
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> I'm going to wear the same shirt on Saturday that I did today.
>
> Good words though. That is why you do the run up. Make sure you have a running airplane.
>
> Still upset though.
>
> More likely it was a fouled plug than a bad mag.
>
> Jared
>
> --
> Jared & Tina Lazaron + 7yr old Daughter.
>
> 77 Eleganza II "Recherché" Winterfeldt 455, Holley ProJection, Doug Thorley Headers, 3in exhaust, Switch Pitch, Alcoas, ONAN 6.5 Emerald series, CMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271854 is a reply to message #271851] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 23:06 |
Guy Lopes
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You coast to the side of the road and sip a cold beverage while reading the latest issue of Flying magazine, and wait for the AAA tow. That's what.
Guy Lopes
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Certainly could happen in a GMC MH. They don't fly though, therefore they don't have twin magnetos. The dual magnetos is a fail safe. You have a
redundant system in a piston powered airplane. 2 engine driven Magnetos, normally you fly on both. If one fails you still have one to make it to an
airport.
What happens when you lose the single distributor in our MH's........
Jared
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77 Eleganza II "Recherché" Winterfeldt 455, Holley ProJection, Doug Thorley Headers, 3in exhaust, Switch Pitch, Alcoas, ONAN 6.5 Emerald series, CMC
Restoration
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Arlington, WA 98223
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| Re: (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271861 is a reply to message #271844] |
Fri, 13 February 2015 00:59 |
Ken Burton
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While it could be a mag, there is a good chance it is a lead fouled plug. That is a very common occurrence. since they force us to use 100 Low Lead fuel. 100 LL is really 4 ties the lead content of 80/87 that most engines use. If it is lead fouling, usually a full power run up and leaning out the mixture will clear the fouled plug.
I pulled many, many plugs since the advent of 100LL fuel and the elimination of 80/87. I picked the lead out of many of them with a pick. Now I just do the above procedure and that cleans them out in about 15 seconds. I learned to taxi lean and then go full rich just prior to take off. It helps to reduce the incidence of fouling.
I forget what engine (Continental or Lycoming) is in a 1979 172 and what octane fuel it requires. In might be 80/87 or 93. I'm sure it was not 100. It might also be a bad mag.
Any way, you did the right thing by parking it and letting someone figure out what the problem is. You can always do that solo tomorrow. Oh yes, the first thing you will notice solo is how much quicker the plane gets off of the ground and climbs with that other person missing in the right seat.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271879 is a reply to message #271844] |
Fri, 13 February 2015 09:43 |
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lotsofspareparts wrote on Thu, 12 February 2015 21:21So me and my instructor went out and did some steep turns (45), did some slow flight on our way back to the airport. Were on the 45 for the DW and he says give me 2 touch and goes and a full stop landing in the parking area and you are gonna go solo.
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I still don't know if I should laugh or cry. I would appreciate suggestions on that though.
Jared
Jared,
Giggle and put this down in your collection of stories.
My instructor had a personal requirement that his students have some hood time before the check ride. This was his person idea as the climate (eastern Connecticut) was prone to sudden fog. We were working on an instrument approach when TSHTF... Over the numbers I could see maybe a quarter of the runway... Missed approach... Call in... Set up again... So much cross wind now that I lost the GP before the threshold..... Set up again High over the numbers this time, but I got it right and put her down, Kind of hard, kind of bouncy and way off center, but down. Getting back the hanger was a trip on its own.
I tried to apologized to Ted (my instructor). As I started he said, "Don't" and stopped me to say, "A good landing is one you can walk away from. If you can use the same plane to take off, that is a great landing. Remember, we don't belong in the sky, it will throw you down any chance it gets. Don't give it that chance."
And you did not give it that chance. That is the makings of a good pilot.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271904 is a reply to message #271883] |
Fri, 13 February 2015 16:00 |
Scott Nutter
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You used your better judgement and taxied back in. That is also part of being a good pilot, not just skill.
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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| Re: (Non GMC) Solo Flight gone bad, or good if you are glass is half full [message #271912 is a reply to message #271844] |
Fri, 13 February 2015 18:22 |
jhbridges
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Jared I'm pleased to see you make the proper choice(s) even when there's pressure to go on. I'll fly with you. Ken B has the move, ask your instructor to demonstrate it for you. The engine in the two seat Americans is famous for that (0-235) probably for the same reason. It used to be standard practice on the way out to the runup to goose it and lean the piss out of it for a moment, then to do the heat and mag check. I've a lot (relatively) of time in the Hawk, but all of it is behind either the 145hp Continental o-300 or the 150 Lyc (o-320). Never flew one with a 180 in it. And remember the three most useless things in aviation: The air above you, the runway behind you, and the gas in the truck.
Keep em flying,
Johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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