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| Re: GMC factory video on youtube [message #268537 is a reply to message #268508] |
Tue, 30 December 2014 19:31   |
lotsofspareparts
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The terrible camber angle still resulted in the coach making the tight turns with no issue at all.
Do you make high speed turns with your coach?
If you do, I hope you are on a tight course with another coach and you are racing for pink slips.
The 1 ton conversion, for all that I have read, is snake oil. Does it offer better stability, better control, is it going to make my tires last longer, was it designed for the GMC Coach?
The only benefit of installing a 1 ton front end is readily available parts.
Readily available parts. That's all. On another note, grease when you need to, repack the bearings when you need to. Do all of the other front end maintenance that is required....... and the front end that was installed with the coach, will last the life of the coach.
This of course is my own humble opinion.
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC factory video on youtube [message #268541 is a reply to message #268539] |
Tue, 30 December 2014 20:28 |
lotsofspareparts
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ljdavick wrote on Tue, 30 December 2014 18:01Jared,
The larger front brake is a big benefit. Rebuilding the stock front end costs about the same as a 1-Ton conversion, but, as you said, the 1-Ton parts are readily available.
I still have a stock front end just because my money and my Daughter are in school!
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
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So you agree that the real benefit is "readily available parts"?
I just think it is a way to sell another setup for the GMC coach that is not needed. Rear disc brakes, rear torsion bars,.... where does it end. If you watch the traffic in front of you, what benefit does a rear disc brake setup offer? I just see so many things that have been offered that actually detract from the feeling of owning a True GMC Motor Home. They are supposed to be a classic..... what happens when everybody upgrades their coaches to disc brakes at all 6 corners, electronic cruise control, 1 ton front end,..... where does it end? When does the classic stop being a classic?
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC factory video on youtube [message #268550 is a reply to message #268541] |
Tue, 30 December 2014 21:40 |
Guy Lopes
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Jared,
To each his own I guess. If you want yours stock and original I suggest you keep yours that way, and I think that's great. I really do!
On the other hand, in the near future I will be willing to sell you all of my extra parts from my old front end, hydraulic windshield wipers, broken and obsolete cruise control, broken and obsolete 8-track, all of the original 12v incandescent interior lighting, etc...
Like Larry, I too have two in college at the moment, so don't hold your breath for those extra parts. Haha
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
W6TOL
www.GMC-Guy.com
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ljdavick wrote on Tue, 30 December 2014 18:01
> Jared,
>
> The larger front brake is a big benefit. Rebuilding the stock front
> end costs about the same as a 1-Ton conversion, but, as you said, the 1-Ton parts are readily available.
>
> I still have a stock front end just because my money and my Daughter are in school!
>
>
> Larry Davick
> A Mystery Machine
> 1976(ish) Palm Beach
> Fremont, CA
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So you agree that the real benefit is "readily available parts"?
I just think it is a way to sell another setup for the GMC coach that is not needed. Rear disc brakes, rear torsion bars,.... where does it end. If you watch the traffic in front of you, what benefit does a rear disc brake setup offer? I just see so many things that have been offered that actually detract from the feeling of owning a True GMC Motor Home. They are supposed to be a classic..... what happens when everybody upgrades their coaches to disc brakes at all 6 corners, electronic cruise control, 1 ton front end,..... where does it end? When does the classic stop being a classic?
Jared
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC factory video on youtube [message #268551 is a reply to message #268537] |
Tue, 30 December 2014 22:02 |
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USAussie
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Jared,
Please keep in mind that the knuckles and bearings in a GMC are the same as those on a Toronado (the hubs are different as the car
has five wheel studs whereas the GMC has eight) the interface dimensions of the hubs, knuckles, and bearings are the same (IIRC the
Timken Kit 43 clearances for the car are different from those for the GMC).
The Toronado has a curb weight of around 4,500 pounds. I'll guesstimate the weight distribution to be 60/40 which works out at 2700
pounds on the front suspension. The GMC on the other hand has Gross Axle Weight Rating of 4,200 pounds on the front end, 1500 pounds
more.
The bore in the knuckle was machined using a lathe with a pointed tool that results in a surface that looks like this under
magnification.
WWWWWWWWWWWWWW
As you can see the bottom of the W are points which the OD of the bearing rests on. Over time the weight of the GMC "hammers" those
points in and the fit between the bearing and knuckle is compromised. Also every time the bearings are removed for greasing that
bore is worn as is the OD of the hub. When rebuilding knuckles and hubs Dave Lenzi GRINDS the ID of the knuckle and the OD of the
hub then plasma sprays them with material to build them back up and then GRINDS them to the correct ID and OD. This results in a
perfectly flat surface for the bearings to sit on. He also installs a zerk fitting so that the bearings can be greased without
removing them I have Dave's hubs and knuckles on both my GMC's. This process will extend the life of the knuckles and hubs greatly.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Jared
The terrible camber angle still resulted in the coach making the tight turns with no issue at all.
Do you make high speed turns with your coach?
If you do, I hope you are on a tight course with another coach and you are racing for pink slips.
The 1 ton conversion, for all that I have read, is snake oil. Does it offer better stability, better control, is it going to make my
tires last
longer, was it designed for the GMC Coach?
The only benefit of installing a 1 ton front end is readily available parts.
Readily available parts. That's all. On another note, grease when you need to, repack the bearings when you need to. Do all of the
other front end maintenance that is required....... and the front end that was installed with the coach, will last the life of the
coach.
This of course is my own humble opinion.
Jared
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC factory video on youtube [message #268574 is a reply to message #268541] |
Wed, 31 December 2014 15:03 |
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You forgot to mention Cadillac 500 engine, modified dash, etc.
Just saying.
I've often wondered what made the GMC a GMC. There are purists that want
stock or close to it. There are those that want the shell to play with.
What really gets me are the few that have made many modifications and get
upset when you get an different coach for personal or practical reasons.
I'm still a fan and prefer something logical in progression that GMC would
have done had they continued to build these classic machines.
Byron Songer
In Kissimmee for the Winter
ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided below
> ljdavick wrote on Tue, 30 December 2014 18:01
>> Jared,
>>
>> The larger front brake is a big benefit. Rebuilding the stock front
>> end costs about the same as a 1-Ton conversion, but, as you said, the
>> 1-Ton
>> parts are readily available.
>>
>> I still have a stock front end just because my money and my Daughter
>> are in school!
>>
>>
>> Larry Davick
>> A Mystery Machine
>> 1976(ish) Palm Beach
>> Fremont, CA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
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>
> So you agree that the real benefit is "readily available parts"?
>
> I just think it is a way to sell another setup for the GMC coach that is
> not needed. Rear disc brakes, rear torsion bars,.... where does it end. If
> you watch the traffic in front of you, what benefit does a rear disc
> brake setup offer? I just see so many things that have been offered that
> actually
> detract from the feeling of owning a True GMC Motor Home. They are
> supposed to be a classic..... what happens when everybody upgrades their
> coaches to
> disc brakes at all 6 corners, electronic cruise control, 1 ton front
> end,..... where does it end? When does the classic stop being a classic?
>
> Jared
>
> --
> Jared & Tina Lazaron + 7yr old Daughter.
>
> 77 Eleganza II "Recherché" Winterfeldt 455, Holley ProJection, Doug
> Thorley Headers, 3in exhaust, Switch Pitch, Alcoas, ONAN 6.5 Emerald
> series, CMC
> Restoration
>
> GO SEAHAWKS!!
>
> Arlington, WA 98223
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC factory video on youtube [message #268576 is a reply to message #268574] |
Wed, 31 December 2014 15:23 |
James Hupy
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Well shucks, there are also those that complained bitterly about putting
self-commencers (electric starters) on automobiles. Their reasoning at the
time was "if you can't crank it by hand, you shouldn't be driving it!" Same
was said about enclosed cars, heaters, windshield wipers, etc. I kind of
think like this, if you have to be out among 'em, you should be able to
stop at the same rate of deceleration that they do. Same for nimble lane
changes. So , I feel that the 6 wheel discs, reaction arms, and 1 ton
chassis mods have their place when you are travelling at 70 mph with
lightweight autos equipped with ABS. If you are parked out by the chicken
coop, save your money and put up solar panels. (Grin)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Dec 31, 2014 1:03 PM, "Byron Songer"
wrote:
> You forgot to mention Cadillac 500 engine, modified dash, etc.
>
> Just saying.
>
> I've often wondered what made the GMC a GMC. There are purists that want
> stock or close to it. There are those that want the shell to play with.
> What really gets me are the few that have made many modifications and get
> upset when you get an different coach for personal or practical reasons.
>
> I'm still a fan and prefer something logical in progression that GMC would
> have done had they continued to build these classic machines.
>
> Byron Songer
> In Kissimmee for the Winter
>
> ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowŠ
>
>> ljdavick wrote on Tue, 30 December 2014 18:01
>>> Jared,
>>>
>>> The larger front brake is a big benefit. Rebuilding the stock front
>>> end costs about the same as a 1-Ton conversion, but, as you said, the
>>> 1-Ton
>>> parts are readily available.
>>>
>>> I still have a stock front end just because my money and my Daughter
>>> are in school!
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry Davick
>>> A Mystery Machine
>>> 1976(ish) Palm Beach
>>> Fremont, CA
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>
>>
>> So you agree that the real benefit is "readily available parts"?
>>
>> I just think it is a way to sell another setup for the GMC coach that is
>> not needed. Rear disc brakes, rear torsion bars,.... where does it end. If
>> you watch the traffic in front of you, what benefit does a rear disc
>> brake setup offer? I just see so many things that have been offered that
>> actually
>> detract from the feeling of owning a True GMC Motor Home. They are
>> supposed to be a classic..... what happens when everybody upgrades their
>> coaches to
>> disc brakes at all 6 corners, electronic cruise control, 1 ton front
>> end,..... where does it end? When does the classic stop being a classic?
>>
>> Jared
>>
>> --
>> Jared & Tina Lazaron + 7yr old Daughter.
>>
>> 77 Eleganza II "Recherché" Winterfeldt 455, Holley ProJection, Doug
>> Thorley Headers, 3in exhaust, Switch Pitch, Alcoas, ONAN 6.5 Emerald
>> series, CMC
>> Restoration
>>
>> GO SEAHAWKS!!
>>
>> Arlington, WA 98223
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: GMC factory video on youtube [message #268581 is a reply to message #268508] |
Wed, 31 December 2014 17:28 |
GeorgeRud
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It's like any other hobby, you have the concours preservationists and then the Restomod crowd. I can appreciate both schools. I recommend just do what you like to your coach!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC factory video on youtube [message #268588 is a reply to message #268574] |
Wed, 31 December 2014 19:12 |
Mr ERFisher
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How's Disney?
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Byron Songer
wrote:
> You forgot to mention Cadillac 500 engine, modified dash, etc.
>
> Just saying.
>
> I've often wondered what made the GMC a GMC. There are purists that want
> stock or close to it. There are those that want the shell to play with.
> What really gets me are the few that have made many modifications and get
> upset when you get an different coach for personal or practical reasons.
>
> I'm still a fan and prefer something logical in progression that GMC would
> have done had they continued to build these classic machines.
>
> Byron Songer
> In Kissimmee for the Winter
>
> ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowŠ
>
>> ljdavick wrote on Tue, 30 December 2014 18:01
>>> Jared,
>>>
>>> The larger front brake is a big benefit. Rebuilding the stock front
>>> end costs about the same as a 1-Ton conversion, but, as you said, the
>>> 1-Ton
>>> parts are readily available.
>>>
>>> I still have a stock front end just because my money and my Daughter
>>> are in school!
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry Davick
>>> A Mystery Machine
>>> 1976(ish) Palm Beach
>>> Fremont, CA
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>
>>
>> So you agree that the real benefit is "readily available parts"?
>>
>> I just think it is a way to sell another setup for the GMC coach that is
>> not needed. Rear disc brakes, rear torsion bars,.... where does it end. If
>> you watch the traffic in front of you, what benefit does a rear disc
>> brake setup offer? I just see so many things that have been offered that
>> actually
>> detract from the feeling of owning a True GMC Motor Home. They are
>> supposed to be a classic..... what happens when everybody upgrades their
>> coaches to
>> disc brakes at all 6 corners, electronic cruise control, 1 ton front
>> end,..... where does it end? When does the classic stop being a classic?
>>
>> Jared
>>
>> --
>> Jared & Tina Lazaron + 7yr old Daughter.
>>
>> 77 Eleganza II "Recherché" Winterfeldt 455, Holley ProJection, Doug
>> Thorley Headers, 3in exhaust, Switch Pitch, Alcoas, ONAN 6.5 Emerald
>> series, CMC
>> Restoration
>>
>> GO SEAHAWKS!!
>>
>> Arlington, WA 98223
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
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