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SteveW is currently offline  SteveW   United States
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Am I dreaming or is this really an Oldsmobile 455 with a TH425 ??

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6704/one.jpg
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6704/one.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6704/two.jpg
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6704/two.jpg

and the full listing at:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dune-buggy-Street-Rod-Olds-455-auto-trans-525hp-with-N-O-S-street-legal-/221588704910?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3397b74e8e& amp; amp;item=221588704910&pt=Dune_Buggies_Sand_Rails

Wow. With a "handicapped" license plane no less...

Steve W
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Southern California


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Re: No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265632 is a reply to message #265608] Sat, 08 November 2014 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mrgmc3 is currently offline  mrgmc3   United States
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In the 70s the toronado drivetrains found their way in to many interesting places. I have an old article where an olds 455 and thm 425 found its way into the rear of an early 70s Firebird, making a mid engine rear drive variant.
There is a recent Hemmings Muscle Machines article about the Hurst Fouranado (Google it). A 68 olds 442 converted to FWD back in '69.


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Re: No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265635 is a reply to message #265608] Sat, 08 November 2014 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a friend with a Fiero with one, and the fiero has a ferrari body kit and a real ferrari interior.

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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265642 is a reply to message #265608] Sat, 08 November 2014 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Wow" is right!

The best part is the handicapped tags on the plates...

Rob
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On 2014-11-07, at 7:55 PM, Steve Weinstock wrote:

> Am I dreaming or is this really an Oldsmobile 455 with a TH425 ??
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6704/one.jpg
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6704/two.jpg
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> and the full listing at:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dune-buggy-Street-Rod-Olds-455-auto-trans-525hp-with-N-O-S-street-legal-/221588704910?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3397b74e8e& amp;item=221588704910&pt=Dune_Buggies_Sand_Rails
>
> Wow.
>
> Steve W
> 1973 23'
> Southern California
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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265649 is a reply to message #265642] Sat, 08 November 2014 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In this month's Car and Driver they talk about the upcoming mid-engined Corvette. The side bar shows public prototypes including the 1970 XP-882 Corvette Prototype, they describe it as "Designed to defuse Ford's launch of the De Tomaso Pantera at the 1970 New York show, this concept had parts from an Olds Toronado transaxle driving the rear wheels."

<http://blog.caranddriver.com/a-mid-engined-c8-corvette-is-coming-the-10-cars-that-paved-the-way/>
http://blog.caranddriver.com/a-mid-engined-c8-corvette-is-coming-the-10-cars-that-paved-the-way/

Had it been built would the the big transaxle have seen a longer production run?


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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265676 is a reply to message #265649] Sat, 08 November 2014 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a 70's engine swap book detailing how to install one in a Corvair. You do lose the back seat, but they made an interesting engine cover by attaching several suitcases together side by side, so it looks like the back seat is full of luggage.

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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265686 is a reply to message #265635] Sat, 08 November 2014 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A neighbor of my parents in SE Tennessee built a VW Beetle with 455 & TH425
in about '80.

Ken H.


On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Chris Choffat wrote:

> I have a friend with a Fiero with one, and the fiero has a ferrari body
> kit and a real ferrari interior.
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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265689 is a reply to message #265686] Sat, 08 November 2014 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd seen one installed in an early bathtub Corvair at a convention in Hillside, IL winter '73/'74 IIRC.

Larry Engelbrecht San Diego, CA '73 26' ex-Glacier TZE063V100319 03/07/73
Re: No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265714 is a reply to message #265608] Sun, 09 November 2014 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I saw one in a Porsche 911 mid engined conversion. Sometimes, just because you can doesn't mean you should!

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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #265746 is a reply to message #265714] Sun, 09 November 2014 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm with you on that one George!

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> I saw one in a Porsche 911 mid engined conversion. Sometimes, just
> because you can doesn't mean you should!
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Re: No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #266014 is a reply to message #265608] Thu, 13 November 2014 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a 75 Vega with a twin turbo 350 and a TH425, mid engined

76 Glenbrook
Re: No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #266436 is a reply to message #266014] Fri, 21 November 2014 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I worked with a fellow that had a VEGA, he had bought it new. His VEGA engine went bad so he put a 350 with rear wheel drive in. ERRrrr, well it did take some MODIFICATION to make it fit the VEGA.

He said the biggest problem was you had to be careful how much pressure you put on the gas pedal because it would do wheelies with little effort at all. Twisted Evil
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Chris Tyler wrote on Thu, 13 November 2014 16:57
I have a 75 Vega with a twin turbo 350 and a TH425, mid engined


Yeah thats Kool tho


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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #266449 is a reply to message #266446] Fri, 21 November 2014 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A 500 cadilac has also made it into the fiero. :)

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> Chris Tyler wrote on Thu, 13 November 2014 16:57
>> I have a 75 Vega with a twin turbo 350 and a TH425, mid engined
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> Yeah thats Kool tho
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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #266452 is a reply to message #266449] Fri, 21 November 2014 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Back in the early 1970s in my early racing days Don Hardy Race Cars sold a small block kit for the Vega that would allow you to build a street or strip Vega. It contained a front and rear clip with roll bar and it was reasonable in cost. You could build a quick street car or strip car for less that $10K depending on the drive train and how fast you wanted to go. We used to call it “cubic dollars”.

Bill “Grumpy” Jenkins won several ProStock titles in the mid 70’s with a SB Vega ProStock car.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Jenkins_(drag_racer)

I ran an V stock Vega in 1972 & 3 and won class with it several times. I still have my first trophy.

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> On Nov 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Sammy Williams wrote:
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> A 500 cadilac has also made it into the fiero. :)
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> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Keith V wrote:
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>> Chris Tyler wrote on Thu, 13 November 2014 16:57
>>> I have a 75 Vega with a twin turbo 350 and a TH425, mid engined
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>> Yeah thats Kool tho
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Re: [GMCnet] No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #266455 is a reply to message #266452] Fri, 21 November 2014 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Reminiscing in the day... I had a red Monza factory V-8, auto, ps, pb, ac. Got it with a bad motor and should have not put the 350 I had in it but I was glad I did. It was a fun car in a straight line.

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Re: No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #266470 is a reply to message #266014] Fri, 21 November 2014 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that IS cool.. seen many V8 vegas and they are nice but a mid engined one must be pretty awesome, got pics? does it show from the rear window? love to hear more about it! set up improved road handling also?
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LarrysRide wrote on Fri, 21 November 2014 07:06
I worked with a fellow that had a VEGA, he had bought it new. His VEGA engine went bad so he put a 350 with rear wheel drive in. ERRrrr, well it did take some MODIFICATION to make it fit the VEGA....



The first Chevy Monza's had a 350 in them. You had to pull the engine mount and jack up one side to change the rear sparkplug. It was basically a Vega with new sheetmetal, a nicer interior, and higher price. Lots of folks put 350's in Vega's. Straightforward swap as such things go. Much easier than swapping a Caddy 500 into a GMC (see... GMC content). Changes the weight distribution though and has a pretty serious impact on the handling.

I had a Vega GT that I dearly loved. Great handling car that was a blast to drive! One of the best I ever owned. I've driven some that were better over the years but they all cost a lot more than the VEGA.

One of the 215 Buick/Olds aluminum V8s from the early 60s would have been a super combo. About the same weight as the iron 4 but can get a ton of power out of it without messing with the already great handling balance. Rover bought the rights to the 215 and put them in a ton of Land Rovers and such.


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kerry pinkerton wrote on Fri, 21 November 2014 18:02
LarrysRide wrote on Fri, 21 November 2014 07:06
I worked with a fellow that had a VEGA, he had bought it new. His VEGA engine went bad so he put a 350 with rear wheel drive in. ERRrrr, well it did take some MODIFICATION to make it fit the VEGA....



The first Chevy Monza's had a 350 in them. You had to pull the engine mount and jack up one side to change the rear sparkplug. It was basically a Vega with new sheetmetal, a nicer interior, and higher price. Lots of folks put 350's in Vega's. Straightforward swap as such things go. Much easier than swapping a Caddy 500 into a GMC (see... GMC content). Changes the weight distribution though and has a pretty serious impact on the handling.

I had a Vega GT that I dearly loved. Great handling car that was a blast to drive! One of the best I ever owned. I've driven some that were better over the years but they all cost a lot more than the VEGA.

One of the 215 Buick/Olds aluminum V8s from the early 60s would have been a super combo. About the same weight as the iron 4 but can get a ton of power out of it without messing with the already great handling balance. Rover bought the rights to the 215 and put them in a ton of Land Rovers and such.


Yes, supposedly later GM wanted to buy the tooling back, Rover said no thanks, but offered to sell complete engines to them for $2500! GM passed.
Re: No.... Is this Really our Beloved Drive Train ?? [message #266533 is a reply to message #266471] Sat, 22 November 2014 17:36 Go to previous message
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kerry pinkerton wrote on Fri, 21 November 2014 16:02
LarrysRide wrote on Fri, 21 November 2014 07:06
I worked with a fellow that had a VEGA, he had bought it new. His VEGA engine went bad so he put a 350 with rear wheel drive in. ERRrrr, well it did take some MODIFICATION to make it fit the VEGA....



The first Chevy Monza's had a 350 in them. You had to pull the engine mount and jack up one side to change the rear sparkplug. It was basically a Vega with new sheetmetal, a nicer interior, and higher price. Lots of folks put 350's in Vega's. Straightforward swap as such things go. Much easier than swapping a Caddy 500 into a GMC (see... GMC content). Changes the weight distribution though and has a pretty serious impact on the handling.

I had a Vega GT that I dearly loved. Great handling car that was a blast to drive! One of the best I ever owned. I've driven some that were better over the years but they all cost a lot more than the VEGA.

One of the 215 Buick/Olds aluminum V8s from the early 60s would have been a super combo. About the same weight as the iron 4 but can get a ton of power out of it without messing with the already great handling balance. Rover bought the rights to the 215 and put them in a ton of Land Rovers and such.

The Monza was designed for the rotary engine. It had a high tunnel and round headlights. When the rotary was cancelled the day after Ed Cole retired, the Monza had to go through an emergency redesign to accomodate piston engines. A patch on the tunnel and rectangular headlights. The front end was a disiater and couldn't pass any orf our durability tests without serious cracking and sagging. As far as the Vega, the Buick 215 was and still is the favourite mod. The optional V8 was a 4.3 L Chevrolet V8 (262 cubes)


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