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Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #264941] |
Mon, 27 October 2014 19:23 |
Jarrar
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Hello.
Mine is a 1977 23ft transmode made by coachworks as far as I recall. Rear bathroom. 2 loft beds on the passenger side in the rear, fresh water tank below the bed on the passenger side.
Here is my question:
If the Rv is connected with a hose (on the driver side) to city water, and the fresh water tank (below the bed) is full. If I turn on the faucet in the kitchen or bathroom sinks (to get some water to drink) ...am I getting water out of the hose/city water connection (which is constantly on) or am I getting water out of the fresh water tank??
And is there a way to chose (other than shutting off water from the city water hose) ?
I think I know the answer but wanted to get an expert answer please.
Thank you.
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Re: Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #264946 is a reply to message #264941] |
Mon, 27 October 2014 20:03 |
Larry
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Jarrar wrote on Mon, 27 October 2014 19:23Hello.
Mine is a 1977 23ft transmode made by coachworks as far as I recall. Rear bathroom. 2 loft beds on the passenger side in the rear, fresh water tank below the bed on the passenger side.
Here is my question:
If the Rv is connected with a hose (on the driver side) to city water, and the fresh water tank (below the bed) is full. If I turn on the faucet in the kitchen or bathroom sinks (to get some water to drink) ...am I getting water out of the hose/city water connection (which is constantly on) or am I getting water out of the fresh water tank??
And is there a way to chose (other than shutting off water from the city water hose) ?
I think I know the answer but wanted to get an expert answer please.
Thank you.
Well, I know how my coach works relative to this. When my tank is full and I'm hooked to shore water, if my pump is off, water comes from shore. When hooked up to shore water, the pump should not be on. Pump is for water from the tank when not hooked to shore water. JMHO
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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Re: Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #264948 is a reply to message #264946] |
Mon, 27 October 2014 20:31 |
Jarrar
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Larry wrote on Mon, 27 October 2014 18:03Jarrar wrote on Mon, 27 October 2014 19:23Hello.
Mine is a 1977 23ft transmode made by coachworks as far as I recall. Rear bathroom. 2 loft beds on the passenger side in the rear, fresh water tank below the bed on the passenger side.
Here is my question:
If the Rv is connected with a hose (on the driver side) to city water, and the fresh water tank (below the bed) is full. If I turn on the faucet in the kitchen or bathroom sinks (to get some water to drink) ...am I getting water out of the hose/city water connection (which is constantly on) or am I getting water out of the fresh water tank??
And is there a way to chose (other than shutting off water from the city water hose) ?
I think I know the answer but wanted to get an expert answer please.
Thank you.
Well, I know how my coach works relative to this. When my tank is full and I'm hooked to shore water, if my pump is off, water comes from shore. When hooked up to shore water, the pump should not be on. Pump is for water from the tank when not hooked to shore water. JMHO
Ok, let me ask this a different way to see if I can get my answer:
If I were to turn on the pump will I get water out of the Fresh water tank coming through the faucets? Or will it be coming from the shore water still?
In another word: Can I have a choice? If the shore water is not fit to drink and I fill my fresh water tank with clean drinkable water, can I have a choice/select which water source I want to use? The shore water for showering/washing...etc. and the fresh water for drinking only?
Thanks.
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #264950 is a reply to message #264948] |
Mon, 27 October 2014 20:59 |
emerystora
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It would depend on which source has the higher pressure. I would have to assume that the city water hookup would have a higher pressure than your water pump so you would get water from your hose rather than from your tank even with the pump turned on.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 7:31 PM, AJ wrote:
>
> Larry wrote on Mon, 27 October 2014 18:03
>> Jarrar wrote on Mon, 27 October 2014 19:23
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> Mine is a 1977 23ft transmode made by coachworks as far as I recall. Rear bathroom. 2 loft beds on the passenger side in the rear, fresh
>>> water tank below the bed on the passenger side.
>>>
>>> Here is my question:
>>>
>>> If the Rv is connected with a hose (on the driver side) to city water, and the fresh water tank (below the bed) is full. If I turn on the
>>> faucet in the kitchen or bathroom sinks (to get some water to drink) ...am I getting water out of the hose/city water connection (which is
>>> constantly on) or am I getting water out of the fresh water tank??
>>>
>>> And is there a way to chose (other than shutting off water from the city water hose) ?
>>>
>>> I think I know the answer but wanted to get an expert answer please.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> Well, I know how my coach works relative to this. When my tank is full and I'm hooked to shore water, if my pump is off, water comes from shore.
>> When hooked up to shore water, the pump should not be on. Pump is for water from the tank when not hooked to shore water. JMHO
>
>
> Ok, let me ask this a different way to see if I can get my answer:
>
> If I were to turn on the pump will I get water out of the Fresh water tank coming through the faucets? Or will it be coming from the shore water
> still?
>
> In another word: Can I have a choice? If the shore water is not fit to drink and I fill my fresh water tank with clean drinkable water, can I have a
> choice/select which water source I want to use? The shore water for showering/washing...etc. and the fresh water for drinking only?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #264988 is a reply to message #264948] |
Tue, 28 October 2014 11:07 |
Rob
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In my GMC - the pump from the tank and the shore water is connected together with a simple tee (although I have my shore connection capped - I have no intention of using it).
So - if I had shore water connected AND the pump on, I suspect the water coming out of a faucet would be a mix of both sources - the ratio dependant on the pressures from each source. If my shore water was hooked up - the only way to switch between the two would be to turn off the tap for shore water and turn on the pump (and vice-versa).
But - we don't drink the water from tank in any case. We carry a 20ish litre water cube that fits in the sink when under way and comes up on the counter when we stop for the night. We fill it from home when we leave and refill it with filtered water as we travel. Works well for us and it never tastes like plastic or is slimey! It usually lasts 2-4 days depending on the temperature...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-10-27, at 6:31 PM, AJ wrote:
> Ok, let me ask this a different way to see if I can get my answer:
>
> If I were to turn on the pump will I get water out of the Fresh water tank coming through the faucets? Or will it be coming from the shore water
> still?
>
> In another word: Can I have a choice? If the shore water is not fit to drink and I fill my fresh water tank with clean drinkable water, can I have a
> choice/select which water source I want to use? The shore water for showering/washing...etc. and the fresh water for drinking only?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #264990 is a reply to message #264989] |
Tue, 28 October 2014 11:22 |
Rob
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Fair enough - just trying to help, since it didn't appear that anybody else was trying to...
In any case - fluid physics aside, my point was that the only way to switch between the two sources would be to manually turn the shore water off...
I suspect that my reply helped more than silence...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-10-28, at 9:15 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
> Rob
> Your assumption violates all rules of fluid mechanics.
>
> If the output if your pump is at a lower pressure how can you explain that it would push water through the tee against the higher pressure of the hose fed pipes?
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265019 is a reply to message #265016] |
Tue, 28 October 2014 15:18 |
Bob Wright
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Could you not separate the source for each faucet with shut offs if you
were so inclined to always use the 'well' for the bathroom and kitchen hot
but use the inhouse tank and pump for the kitchen cold?
Bob
Victoria, BC
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:04 PM, AJ wrote:
> Rob wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 09:22
>> Fair enough - just trying to help, since it didn't appear that anybody
> else was trying to...
>>
>> In any case - fluid physics aside, my point was that the only way to
> switch between the two sources would be to manually turn the shore water
>> off...
>>
>> I suspect that my reply helped more than silence...
>>
>> Rob
>> Victoria, BC
>> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
>>
>> On 2014-10-28, at 9:15 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
>>
>>> Rob
>>> Your assumption violates all rules of fluid mechanics.
>>>
>>> If the output if your pump is at a lower pressure how can you explain
> that it would push water through the tee against the higher pressure of
>>> the hose fed pipes?
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>> Frederick, CO
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> Thank you Rob and everyone else.
>
> What I am trying to do is to live in the RV in a place that has Well water
> which is not fit to drink (I was told it has too much Iron). So I am
> trying to figure out how to resolve this issue without buying bottled
> water (I don't like to drink water that has been sitting in plastic bottles
> for
> who knows how long).
>
> Thus I asked: If I were to fill the fresh water tank with drinking water
> and connect the city water hose to the constant water supply for showering
> and washing. If there is a way to switch easily between the 2 water
> sources.?? So I can get drinking water as needed without a lot of trouble.
>
> I am new to this GMC RV and living in an RV so I am trying to figure
> things out.
>
> And would a faucet mounted filter (the type with a cartridge) filters out
> the Well water to make it drinkable.?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265039 is a reply to message #265016] |
Tue, 28 October 2014 20:38 |
Carl S.
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Jarrar wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 13:04Rob wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 09:22Fair enough - just trying to help, since it didn't appear that anybody else was trying to...
In any case - fluid physics aside, my point was that the only way to switch between the two sources would be to manually turn the shore water off...
I suspect that my reply helped more than silence...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-10-28, at 9:15 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
> Rob
> Your assumption violates all rules of fluid mechanics.
>
> If the output if your pump is at a lower pressure how can you explain that it would push water through the tee against the higher pressure of the hose fed pipes?
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
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Thank you Rob and everyone else.
What I am trying to do is to live in the RV in a place that has Well water which is not fit to drink (I was told it has too much Iron). So I am trying to figure out how to resolve this issue without buying bottled water (I don't like to drink water that has been sitting in plastic bottles for who knows how long).
Thus I asked: If I were to fill the fresh water tank with drinking water and connect the city water hose to the constant water supply for showering and washing. If there is a way to switch easily between the 2 water sources.?? So I can get drinking water as needed without a lot of trouble.
I am new to this GMC RV and living in an RV so I am trying to figure things out.
And would a faucet mounted filter (the type with a cartridge) filters out the Well water to make it drinkable.?
Thanks.
Our personal preference is to not drink any water that goes through the GMC plumbing. I know there are ways to sanitize the water tank and plumbing system but, to me, it's not worth the effort. Instead, we carry a tall, thin water container that holds 5 quarts. We fill it at one of those reverse osmosis water machines you find outside of nearly every convenience store or grocery store, at least in our part of the country. The purified water costs 25 cents per gallon. That said, we rinse after brushing our teeth with the bathroom sink water (don't swallow) and have never had a problem.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265049 is a reply to message #265039] |
Tue, 28 October 2014 22:13 |
Ken Henderson
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During my 57 years of RVing, including travels in the GMC from Key West,
FL, to Fairbanks, AK, I've used water from every campground we've stayed
in, usually filling the on-board tank from those same sources. I use that
water for washing, coffee making, cooking, bathing, and any other use
necessary.
I periodically sterilize the fresh water tank and the entire plumbing
system with hydrogen peroxide, but I'm not religious about it. I've seldom
noticed a strange taste to the water; when I have, it was due to the water
source, to which locals had become acclimated, but it was merely a taste
problem.
SHE won't drink from the coach, campground, or our home water system,
preferring the absurdity of bottled water (wherever that happens to come
from).
Neither of us has EVER had any illness, nausea or other symptom of
waterborne disease from this camping practice.
Personally, I think there's too much paranoia about water (in the USA) --
just like too much "Political Correctness" in other facets of our lives.
Now if we want to talk about other parts of the world I've visited, my
position is subject to change. :-)
JWIT,
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
> Jarrar wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 13:04
>> Rob wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 09:22
>
>> On 2014-10-28, at 9:15 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
>
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Re: Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265058 is a reply to message #264941] |
Wed, 29 October 2014 08:15 |
jhbridges
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When God's Great Air Farce placed us in some misbegotten burg in Spain for an exercise, we quickly learned, 'vina casa' cost the same as 'mineral water' (bottled water, usually refilled from the kitchen tap). The wine was sterile... and usually a hell of a lot better than the water. We had purified water on site, but aghain, the wine made the whole exercise easier to accomplish.
--johnny, FANG retired
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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Re: Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265060 is a reply to message #264941] |
Wed, 29 October 2014 08:31 |
lqqkatjon
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I would think just turning off the city water connection valve, then hitting water pump and at least in my palm beach, filling a bottle from the bathroom sink, after letting faucet run for about 15 seconds would get me water out of my tank.... run it longer if filling from kitchen sink.
but I still do not understand the thinking? not concerned why you do not drink bottled water, but I would think water would spend less time in a plastic container, by refilling up water jugs from the same source you would fill your coach water tank, then trying to drink 30-40 gallons of water you store in a plastic water tank on board your Coach?
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265075 is a reply to message #265049] |
Wed, 29 October 2014 10:55 |
Rob
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In our case - I'm not too worried about the safety of the water. But the taste of it is important to us! It seems that water that spends anytime in the on-board tank picks up a very noticeable "plastic" flavour very quickly...
We drink a fair bit of water - and want to enjoy it!
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-10-28, at 8:13 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
> During my 57 years of RVing, including travels in the GMC from Key West,
> FL, to Fairbanks, AK, I've used water from every campground we've stayed
> in, usually filling the on-board tank from those same sources. I use that
> water for washing, coffee making, cooking, bathing, and any other use
> necessary.
>
> I periodically sterilize the fresh water tank and the entire plumbing
> system with hydrogen peroxide, but I'm not religious about it. I've seldom
> noticed a strange taste to the water; when I have, it was due to the water
> source, to which locals had become acclimated, but it was merely a taste
> problem.
>
> SHE won't drink from the coach, campground, or our home water system,
> preferring the absurdity of bottled water (wherever that happens to come
> from).
>
> Neither of us has EVER had any illness, nausea or other symptom of
> waterborne disease from this camping practice.
>
> Personally, I think there's too much paranoia about water (in the USA) --
> just like too much "Political Correctness" in other facets of our lives.
>
> Now if we want to talk about other parts of the world I've visited, my
> position is subject to change. :-)
>
> JWIT,
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
> Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265076 is a reply to message #265049] |
Wed, 29 October 2014 11:53 |
stick miller
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Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 28 October 2014 23:13During my 57 years of RVing, including travels in the GMC from Key West,
FL, to Fairbanks, AK, I've used water from every campground we've stayed
in, usually filling the on-board tank from those same sources. I use that
water for washing, coffee making, cooking, bathing, and any other use
necessary.
I periodically sterilize the fresh water tank and the entire plumbing
system with hydrogen peroxide, but I'm not religious about it. I've seldom
noticed a strange taste to the water; when I have, it was due to the water
source, to which locals had become acclimated, but it was merely a taste
problem.
SHE won't drink from the coach, campground, or our home water system,
preferring the absurdity of bottled water (wherever that happens to come
from).
Neither of us has EVER had any illness, nausea or other symptom of
waterborne disease from this camping practice.
Personally, I think there's too much paranoia about water (in the USA) --
just like too much "Political Correctness" in other facets of our lives.
Now if we want to talk about other parts of the world I've visited, my
position is subject to change.
JWIT,
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
Finally! He says something I can understand (and agree with).
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold '84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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Re: [GMCnet] Clarification on the water system/hookups please [message #265079 is a reply to message #264950] |
Wed, 29 October 2014 11:56 |
<rallymaster
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The fresh water tank is made from a different plastic than water bottles.
The tank is also much older than the bottles, and has probably done all
its outgassing, long ago. (WAG)
RonC
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:31:18 -0600 Jon Roche
writes:
> I would think just turning off the city water connection valve, then
> hitting water pump and at least in my palm beach, filling a bottle
> from the
> bathroom sink, after letting faucet run for about 15 seconds would
> get me water out of my tank.... run it longer if filling from
> kitchen sink.
>
> but I still do not understand the thinking? not concerned why you
> do not drink bottled water, but I would think water would spend less
> time in a
> plastic container, by refilling up water jugs from the same source
> you would fill your coach water tank, then trying to drink 30-40
> gallons of water
> you store in a plastic water tank on board your Coach?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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