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rpms at 850 range with adv. timing 16 tdc/ 700 at 10 degrees [message #264860] Sun, 26 October 2014 15:13 Go to next message
budworks521 is currently offline  budworks521   United States
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I finally bought a tach meter and started off with my distributor slightly advanced to 15/16 tdc. My vac gauge reads a steady 18 inches for quite awhile. My best readings on the vac gauge was with the timing advanced at start up. I decided to check rpms and they were in the 837/857 range. I then moved the distributor closer to 10/12 degrees tdc and my rpms decreased to 710 ranges. My two idle screws didn't make much of a difference when opened a 1/4 turn. The engine runs fine for awhile and then slowly fades 2/3 inches. It isn't stalling anymore but my choke seems to take quite some time to fully open. If I throttle the engine it drops 2-4 inches and then shoots to 25 or so then a slight drop to 15/14 and wavers back and forth. I was wondering if running the engine without a full 90 degrees on the choke would cause these symptoms and a if the symptoms are more in line with a restricted muffler. I see carbon sooty deposits on outside of muffler. Though the exhaust pushes fine at tailpipe. Steady drum. I plan on buying an electric choke soon but was wondering if a bad muffler would cause a great reading on the vac gauge to start and then the gauge acts differently as the engine runs (back pressure and lower readings)??? Any and all comments from previous experiences with this vac reading scenario would be great. Thanks gentlemen..

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Re: [GMCnet] rpms at 850 range with adv. timing 16 tdc/ 700 at 10 degrees [message #264867 is a reply to message #264860] Sun, 26 October 2014 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
james Ernst is currently offline  james Ernst   United States
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Lawrence,
The vacuum break or pull off was shot on mine and wouldn't pull the plate
at all. So I replaced that and went ahead put in an electric choke. It
works great now.
Jim Ernst
77 Palm Beach
77 Kingsley
Columbus, NE
On Oct 26, 2014 2:14 PM, "Lawrence Harrison" wrote:

> I finally bought a tach meter and started off with my distributor slightly
> advanced to 15/16 tdc. My vac gauge reads a steady 18 inches for quite
> awhile. My best readings on the vac gauge was with the timing advanced at
> start up. I decided to check rpms and they were in the 837/857 range. I then
> moved the distributor closer to 10/12 degrees tdc and my rpms decreased to
> 710 ranges. My two idle screws didn't make much of a difference when opened
> a 1/4 turn. The engine runs fine for awhile and then slowly fades 2/3
> inches. It isn't stalling anymore but my choke seems to take quite some
> time to
> fully open. If I throttle the engine it drops 2-4 inches and then shoots
> to 25 or so then a slight drop to 15/14 and wavers back and forth. I was
> wondering if running the engine without a full 90 degrees on the choke
> would cause these symptoms and a if the symptoms are more in line with a
> restricted muffler. I see carbon sooty deposits on outside of muffler.
> Though the exhaust pushes fine at tailpipe. Steady drum. I plan on buying an
> electric choke soon but was wondering if a bad muffler would cause a great
> reading on the vac gauge to start and then the gauge acts differently as
> the engine runs (back pressure and lower readings)??? Any and all comments
> from previous experiences with this vac reading scenario would be great.
> Thanks gentlemen..
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Re: rpms at 850 range with adv. timing 16 tdc/ 700 at 10 degrees [message #264874 is a reply to message #264860] Sun, 26 October 2014 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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Slow the idle to about 650. You are into the pullover slots and partly off the idle circuit hence not much effect. If you are setting the timing by RPM gain it will be WAY to advanced in road conditions.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: rpms at 850 range with adv. timing 16 tdc/ 700 at 10 degrees [message #265120 is a reply to message #264874] Thu, 30 October 2014 00:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bullitthead is currently offline  Bullitthead   United States
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If the throttle plates are closed past the transfer slots and the idle mixture screws do not make a difference (or only 1 of them does), clean and rebuild the carb.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
Re: [GMCnet] rpms at 850 range with adv. timing 16 tdc/ 700 at 10 degrees [message #265148 is a reply to message #264867] Thu, 30 October 2014 18:42 Go to previous message
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james Ernst wrote on Sun, 26 October 2014 16:29
Lawrence,
The vacuum break or pull off was shot on mine and wouldn't pull the plate
at all. So I replaced that and went ahead put in an electric choke. It
works great now.
Jim Ernst
77 Palm Beach
77 Kingsley
Columbus, NE


Choke pull off only works immediately after starting, to pull the choke open just a bit to prevent stalling. After that the thermostatic spring takes over. If your choke is taking a long time to open, it sounds like you have a leak in your hot air tubing somewhere. Check all the connections. Spraying Gumout or some other carb cleaner around the joints will help you find leaks.


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