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Wed, 22 October 2014 08:05  |
Ray Erspamer
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With some recent discussions on tires, what are your opinions on balancing?
Weights or Powder (as they referred to it, may be beads??)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balancing [message #264656 is a reply to message #264651] |
Wed, 22 October 2014 09:14  |
lqqkatjon
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I used Beads on my rear 4. I think it worked well, I have run them all Summer. Bought them from a truck tire place.
My reasoning to go with the beads, was mainly I did not want weights to interfere with hubcap mounting. If I had aluminum rims like you, I would not want to pound a weight made out of different metal onto the rim. You have the stick on weights out there, but I really do not like those either... just personal opinion.
I did my own tire changing, so only issue I had, was being careful in measuring(4 oz per tire per instructions/chart), and needed the right funnel to get the beads into the tire, then had to be extra careful when setting the bead, that I did not let any fall out. I have a bead setter, so was pretty easy.
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/search?q=16%22+steel
You will notice how fine the beads are, and I was surprised by that. They do make kits so you can pour them directly into the tire valve after the bead is set.
Some people claim air soft beads, or bb's or other cheaper alternatives. In my opinion I did not think you are saving enough, to go that route. I think it cost me $24 for all the beads for the 4 rear tires. Bought one big bag, and one smaller bag, and just had to measure correct amount using kitchen scale. Counteract was the brand I ended up with:
http://www.counteractbalancing.com/?gclid=CPycss21wMECFehDMgodCTkAbA
Only downfall I see with beads, is availability of them, if you have a flat, and have to mount/remount the tire and try to reclaim the beads. Might be smart to buy a 4 oz bag and applicator for future flat repair. Otherwise if you are out, you might have someone install weights, and you can deal with it later.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balancing [message #264658 is a reply to message #264651] |
Wed, 22 October 2014 09:26 |
Larry
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Ray Erspamer wrote on Wed, 22 October 2014 08:05With some recent discussions on tires, what are your opinions on balancing?
Weights or Powder (as they referred to it, may be beads??)
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78 Royale - "The Great Lakes Eagle"
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Hopefully Ken Henderson will pipe in here. I sat next to him during several sessions at the GMCMI Convention in CF, WI. He had a container of plastic beads that he got from...IIRC...a sporting goods store. They are the beads that are used to shoot out of an air rifle. He measured up 4oz of them and poured them into his tires during the mounting process. Don't remember the brand, but I think he had used these before and they seemed to work quite well, are readily available, and pretty inexpensive. Only down side is that you would have to find a scale to pre-measure the beads into 4oz baggies, and the "what are you...nuts" look you'd get from the tire installers. So... Hey Ken...what did you use?
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balancing [message #264661 is a reply to message #264651] |
Wed, 22 October 2014 10:31 |
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mike miller
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Ray Erspamer wrote on Wed, 22 October 2014 06:05.. what are your opinions on balancing?
Weights or Powder (as they referred to it, may be beads??)
I have been using Air Soft Beads for a while. For the coach, I am happy with them. they do rebalance with every start and if needed, as you are moving. While OK for the coach as it isn't normally used in start and go traffic, I do NOT recommend them on a daily driver. I have them in the winter tires I use on my Sidekick and feel the tires go through a "balancing" at about 35 to 40 mph. If you Google "airsoft beads", most of the returns will be about using them in tires.
I understand many of the commercial tire balancing products do NOT rebalance with each start and stop, so they should be better for stop-go traffic. Something to do with a "clumping" action.
There are a couple of different weight beads. Thinking about it, I THINK the lighter beads should "balance out" at a lower speed. You'll just need more of them. IIRC the correct number of beads is about 1/2 cup of the lighter beads.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balancing [message #264664 is a reply to message #264661] |
Wed, 22 October 2014 10:47 |
stick miller
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Get Air Soft beads at WalMart. 4 oz per tire. Works like a charm.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balancing [message #264668 is a reply to message #264666] |
Wed, 22 October 2014 12:48 |
Ray Erspamer
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Great information at the right price Ken. Thanks!!
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ken Henderson wrote:
> I had to buy a new set of tires while at Chippewa Falls. Firestone
> Transforce was the only kind I could find in stock with manufacture dates
> Commercial TA and the one before that Firestones. I have no real
> preference for either.
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> At WalMart I bought a jug of10,000 each 12 mg Airsoft pellets for $13.97.
> I put what I thought might be close to 4 oz of them into a buggy and went
> to the post office. A clerk weighed it for me: 5.1 oz. After I dumped a
> few back into the jug, the weight was 4.01 oz -- close enough. I
> distributed the rest of the beads by volume into 11 more bags, with a few
> left over.
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> The tire store had no problem with pouring the beads into the tires during
> mounting. I haven't had a noticeable tire vibration during the subsequent
> 2000 miles.
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> Last week, Jerry Holloway bought a set of the same tires and used the same
> beads. The tire store showed him a Counteract bag from his old tires which
> had never completely released all of the beads. In case anyone doesn't
> know: Counteract is available in different sized thin plastic bags (4 oz for
> us); the instructions are to just drop the unopened bag into the tire,
> expecting it to burst and release the beads. Jerry did not have an
> imbalance problem from the unreleased beads.
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> My choice of Airsoft beads is partially based on the fact that Equal or
> Counteract can lodge in the seat of standard, unfiltered, Schrader valves,
> causing leaks. Also, they are more subject to "clumping up" with moisture
> than are the larger pellets.
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> JWID,
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> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
> Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
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> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Jon Roche wrote:
>
>> I used Beads on my rear 4. I think it worked well, I have run them all
>> Summer. Bought them from a truck tire place.
>>
>> My reasoning to go with the beads, was mainly I did not want weights to
>> interfere with hubcap mounting. If I had aluminum rims like you, I would
>> not want to pound a weight made out of different metal onto the rim. You
>> have the stick on weights out there, but I really do not like those
>> either... just personal opinion.
>>
>> I did my own tire changing, so only issue I had, was being careful in
>> measuring(4 oz per tire per instructions/chart), and needed the right
>> funnel to
>> get the beads into the tire, then had to be extra careful when setting
>> the bead, that I did not let any fall out. I have a bead setter, so was
>> pretty easy.
>>
>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/search?q=16%22+steel
>>
>> You will notice how fine the beads are, and I was surprised by that.
>> They do make kits so you can pour them directly into the tire valve after
>> the
>> bead is set.
>>
>> Some people claim air soft beads, or bb's or other cheaper
>> alternatives. In my opinion I did think you are saving enough, to go that
>> route. I
>> think it cost me $24 for all the beads for the 4 rear tires. Bought one
>> big bag, and one smaller bag, and just had to measure correct amount using
>> kitchen scale. Counteract was the brand I ended up with:
>>
>> http://www.counteractbalancing.com/?gclid=CPycss21wMECFehDMgodCTkAbA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> 75 palm beach
>> St. Cloud, MN
>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balancing [message #264670 is a reply to message #264658] |
Wed, 22 October 2014 15:26 |
Ken Burton
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I have Equal balancing beads in my coach tires and Airsoft in my 4 wheel 11,000 pound GVW trailer tires. I used Equal because it was free for me at the time. I can not say it is any better or worse than the other brands. As far as Airsoft goes, both it and Equal work equally well.
The Airsoft ones come from the Walmart sporting good section. The last time I was having a tire changed at Walmart guy looked at me and said "where is the bag of beads?" They know me and are use to me bringing in a baggie of beads when they mount a tire for me.
The advantage of Airsoft is:
1. Price
2. They are large enough that you do not need the filtered valve cores to keep the beads from getting stuck in the the valves.
3. No worries about getting them stuck between the rim to tire bead when mounting the tire.
4. Less prone to clumping if moist air is used to inflate the tire.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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