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Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264258] |
Tue, 14 October 2014 19:45 |
rickmike
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I have been preparing "The General" for a trip to Texas over the last couple of weeks.
I decided it was time to change the hoses that run back to the domestic hot water tank.
After all they are almost as old as I am...
First of all, it was fun taking the old ones out.
They kept breaking as I tried to wiggle them out from under the Frig cabinet and the bathroom sink.
I ended up with about 10 pieces.
I decided that there had to be a better way than to have 25 feet of hose with TWO joints. One of which was inaccessible under the Frig cabinet.
Hose isn't cheap either when you go to buy 50 feet of it!
I thought about replacing the long straight run under the coach with copper pipe. But a 10 foot piece was $12 times 2 pipes! Not cheap either.
I scratched by head and decided to try EMT conduit. 1/2 inch EMT was about the right size for 5/8 hose to slip onto. So I bought 2 10ft pieces and a conduit bender and headed home.
Keep in mind I have 3 coaches to rehose. My Dad's and 'The General' and another coach that I saved from the scrap yard. (It is good shape save the dead engine. Engines are easy work for me.)
I went to work measuring and bending.
I ended up with a pipe from the hose joint just under the door up to the clamp that holds the hoses to the firewall behind the right side of the engine. (I will try to post pics, first time to try...)
This reduced the hose clamp count by 4. Four fewer places to leak!
I have written down the bending scheme and can make more!
When I come to the GMC events, I can bring my bender and pick up some EMT conduit at the local store and bend them right there!!
Rick Michelhaugh
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Re: Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264270 is a reply to message #264258] |
Wed, 15 October 2014 07:04 |
C Boyd
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rickmike wrote on Tue, 14 October 2014 20:45I have been preparing "The General" for a trip to Texas over the last couple of weeks.
I decided it was time to change the hoses that run back to the domestic hot water tank.
After all they are almost as old as I am...
First of all, it was fun taking the old ones out.
They kept breaking as I tried to wiggle them out from under the Frig cabinet and the bathroom sink.
I ended up with about 10 pieces.
I decided that there had to be a better way than to have 25 feet of hose with TWO joints. One of which was inaccessible under the Frig cabinet.
Hose isn't cheap either when you go to buy 50 feet of it!
I thought about replacing the long straight run under the coach with copper pipe. But a 10 foot piece was $12 times 2 pipes! Not cheap either.
I scratched by head and decided to try EMT conduit. 1/2 inch EMT was about the right size for 5/8 hose to slip onto. So I bought 2 10ft pieces and a conduit bender and headed home.
Keep in mind I have 3 coaches to rehose. My Dad's and 'The General' and another coach that I saved from the scrap yard. (It is good shape save the dead engine. Engines are easy work for me.)
I went to work measuring and bending.
I ended up with a pipe from the hose joint just under the door up to the clamp that holds the hoses to the firewall behind the right side of the engine. (I will try to post pics, first time to try...)
This reduced the hose clamp count by 4. Four fewer places to leak!
I have written down the bending scheme and can make more!
When I come to the GMC events, I can bring my bender and pick up some EMT conduit at the local store and bend them right there!!
Rick Michelhaugh
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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Re: [GMCnet] Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264272 is a reply to message #264258] |
Wed, 15 October 2014 07:14 |
RicksGMC
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How do you think the EMT will hold up long term? I'm planning on replacing my hoses as well and my coach has hard lines already but I'm not sure what shape they are in. The EMT idea sure seems like a easy and cost effective way to go.
Rick
Rick&Tammy Drummond
Prior Lake MN
'74 (re)Painted Desert
> On Oct 14, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Richard Michelhaugh wrote:
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> I have been preparing "The General" for a trip to Texas over the last couple of weeks.
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> I decided it was time to change the hoses that run back to the domestic hot water tank.
> After all they are almost as old as I am...
>
> First of all, it was fun taking the old ones out.
> They kept breaking as I tried to wiggly them out from under the Frig cabinet and the bathroom sink.
> I ended up with about 10 pieces.
>
> I decided that there had to be a better way than to have 25 feet of hose with TWO joints. One of which was inaccessible under the Frig cabinet.
>
> Hose isn't cheap either when you go to buy 50 feet of it!
>
> I thought about replacing the long straight run under the coach with copper pipe. But a 10 foot piece was $12 times 2 pipes! Not cheap either.
>
> I scratched by head and decided to try EMT conduit. 1/2 inch EMT was about the right size for 5/8 hose to slip onto. So I bought 2 10ft pieces and a
> conduit bender and headed home.
>
> Keep in mind I have 3 coaches to rehose. My Dad's and 'The General' and another coach that I saved from the scrap yard. (It is good shape save the
> dead engine. Engines are easy work for me.)
>
> I went to work measuring and bending.
>
> I ended up with a pipe from the hose joint just under the door up to the clamp that holds the hoses to the firewall behind the right side of the
> engine. (I will try to post pics, first time to try...)
>
> This reduced the hose clamp count by 4. Four fewer places to leak!
>
> I have written down the bending scheme and can make more!
> When I come to the GMC events, I can bring my bender and pick up some EMT conduit at the local store and bend them right there!!
>
> Rick Michelhaugh
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Re: [GMCnet] Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264273 is a reply to message #264272] |
Wed, 15 October 2014 07:24 |
tphipps
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In your planning, be sure to add cut-off valves in both hoses going back. Close to block as reasonable. Failing hose connection killed a engine for. Engine was just rebuilt and installed. Expensive lesson.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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Re: [GMCnet] Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264278 is a reply to message #264270] |
Wed, 15 October 2014 08:36 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
One of the problems a coach that has rubber lines back to the water heater runs into is that the water temp in the water heater gets
heated to the same temperature as the engine cooling water. When the water pump is turned on water flows out of the temp / pressure
relief valve until the temperature of the water in the water heater is reduced below the setting of the temperature relief valve.
At first it thought using metal lines wouldn't be a good idea as you would loose heat through the lines, however, that might be a
good thing.
Rick,
Let us know if you experience the problem noted in the first paragraph.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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rickmike wrote on Tue, 14 October 2014 20:45
> I have been preparing "The General" for a trip to Texas over the last couple of weeks.
>
> I decided it was time to change the hoses that run back to the domestic hot water tank.
> After all they are almost as old as I am...
>
> First of all, it was fun taking the old ones out.
> They kept breaking as I tried to wiggle them out from under the Frig cabinet and the bathroom sink.
> I ended up with about 10 pieces.
>
> I decided that there had to be a better way than to have 25 feet of hose with TWO joints. One of which was inaccessible under the
Frig cabinet.
>
> Hose isn't cheap either when you go to buy 50 feet of it!
>
> I thought about replacing the long straight run under the coach with copper pipe. But a 10 foot piece was $12 times 2 pipes! Not
cheap either.
>
> I scratched by head and decided to try EMT conduit. 1/2 inch EMT was about the right size for 5/8 hose to slip onto. So I bought 2
10ft pieces and a conduit bender and headed home.
>
> Keep in mind I have 3 coaches to rehose. My Dad's and 'The General' and another coach that I saved from the scrap yard. (It is
good shape save the > dead engine. Engines are easy work for me.)
>
> I went to work measuring and bending.
>
> I ended up with a pipe from the hose joint just under the door up to the clamp that holds the hoses to the firewall behind the
right side of the engine. (I will try to post pics, first time to try...)
>
> This reduced the hose clamp count by 4. Four fewer places to leak!
>
> I have written down the bending scheme and can make more!
> When I come to the GMC events, I can bring my bender and pick up some EMT conduit at the local store and bend them right there!!
>
> Rick Michelhaugh
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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264298 is a reply to message #264258] |
Wed, 15 October 2014 13:22 |
captjack
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I was talking with Miguel Mendez at the recent GMCWS rally in Manteca. He stated that failing hoses from the engine back to the water tank were the largest cause of engine failures. So replacing the old ones is a good idea.
Jack Christensen - K6ROW,
'76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet",
Sebastopol, CA
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Re: [GMCnet] Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264359 is a reply to message #264293] |
Thu, 16 October 2014 10:17 |
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Matt Colie
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A Hamilto wrote on Wed, 15 October 2014 13:33Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 15 October 2014 09:05...1 - The cooling system should be pretty well corrosion protected, so the EMT should last as long as you need it. ... I still wonder about that. Supposedly (I guess) the inside will be protected by the anti-rust magic of the engine antifreeze, but what keeps the outside from corroding? EMT has little (no?) inherent rust protection, inner or outer layer.
Would like to be able to fast forward a decade or so and check it instead of waiting to see how it holds up.
A,
I think that your concern is completely valid. EMT is cad/zin plated, but not very thick. I would never use it under any vehicle as I live where they routinely spread liberal amount of fender solvent (aka road salt) on all the by-ways, but only in fall, winter and most of the spring.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: [GMCnet] Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264362 is a reply to message #264359] |
Thu, 16 October 2014 10:54 |
A Hamilto
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Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 16 October 2014 10:17A,
I think that your concern is completely valid. EMT is cad/zin plated, but not very thick. I would never use it under any vehicle as I live where they routinely spread liberal amount of fender solvent (aka road salt) on all the by-ways, but only in fall, winter and most of the spring.
Matt It doesn't snow here often enough to justify the state gov't keeping the equipment to spread salt. But I would still be afraid the EMT would rust out over time.
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Re: Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264573 is a reply to message #264377] |
Mon, 20 October 2014 11:20 |
rickmike
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I think it will take longer for the EMT to rust than it will for the rubber to rot.
So far so good on the connections.
But not so good for the transmission.
We got to College Station, TX and a rattly noise from the torque convertor area started.
We got towed to AAMCO and they are going to pull the Trans and see what is making the noise.
Noise when idling in Park, the diminishes in drive. It still goes forward and back just fine. My guess is the flexplate or torque convertor bolts or something inside the torque convertor.
Rick M.
8 6 5 - 4 5 6 -one-one-one-eight
1974 26' Canyonlands
aka "The General"
Clinton, TN
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Re: Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264597 is a reply to message #264573] |
Mon, 20 October 2014 23:23 |
Ken Burton
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rickmike wrote on Mon, 20 October 2014 11:20I think it will take longer for the EMT to rust than it will for the rubber to rot.
So far so good on the connections.
But not so good for the transmission.
We got to College Station, TX and a rattly noise from the torque convertor area started.
We got towed to AAMCO and they are going to pull the Trans and see what is making the noise.
Noise when idling in Park, the diminishes in drive. It still goes forward and back just fine. My guess is the flexplate or torque convertor bolts or something inside the torque convertor.
Rick M.
8 6 5 - 4 5 6 -one-one-one-eight
What do the hoses to the water heater have to do with the transmission?
I'm confused, but that happens to me frequently.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264602 is a reply to message #264601] |
Tue, 21 October 2014 06:07 |
RicksGMC
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Mine does have a remote heater mounted on the floor under the refrigerator. I'm planning on taking it out when I replace the hoses to regain a little storage space.
Rick
Rick&Tammy Drummond
Prior Lake MN
'74 (re)Painted Desert
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Espen Heitmann wrote:
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> Would it be any problems with air in the lines to the water heater ?
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> And has anyone added a heater to the line ? I have been thinking of adding a heater in the rear so I will get some heat to the door area.
> Or what about a heater to the bedroom ?
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Re: Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264614 is a reply to message #264601] |
Tue, 21 October 2014 11:20 |
A Hamilto
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Loffen wrote on Tue, 21 October 2014 05:00Would it be any problems with air in the lines to the water heater? I don't know what that means. If you are asking if air in the lines to the water heater causes problems, generally, no, because the air will flow back to the engine, then to the radiator, and if the overflow is working correctly, will get replaced with coolant.Quote:And has anyone added a heater to the line? I have been thinking of adding a heater in the rear so I will get some heat to the door area.
Or what about a heater to the bedroom? It is possible to add a heater core in series with the water heater. More than one, if you want to. If you want the water in the water heater to get as hot as it can get, put the heater core(s) in the return line to the engine. If you want lower water temperature in the water heater, put the heater core(s) in the line going TO the water heater. You will probably want to build in a way to bypass those heater cores in the Summer.
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Re: [GMCnet] Hoses to Domestic Hot Water Tank [message #264615 is a reply to message #264614] |
Tue, 21 October 2014 12:40 |
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Do you possibly have that reversed?
It would seem that the return line would be cooler than the line going to the water heater since the water heater takes some heat from the coolant before it returns back to the engine.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:20 AM, A. wrote:
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> Loffen wrote on Tue, 21 October 2014 05:00
>> Would it be any problems with air in the lines to the water heater?
> I don't know what that means. If you are asking if air in the lines to the water heater causes problems, generally, no, because the air will flow back
> to the engine, then to the radiator, and if the overflow is working correctly, will get replaced with coolant.Quote:
>> And has anyone added a heater to the line? I have been thinking of adding a heater in the rear so I will get some heat to the door area.
>> Or what about a heater to the bedroom?
> It is possible to add a heater core in series with the water heater. More than one, if you want to. If you want the water in the water heater to get
> as hot as it can get, put the heater core(s) in the return line to the engine. If you want lower water temperature in the water heater, put the heater
> core(s) in the line going TO the water heater. You will probably want to build in a way to bypass those heater cores in the Summer.
>
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