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| Awesome Duracool new report [message #261297] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 11:28  |
Keith V
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This is amazing. I can't believe how bad the news is.
I bet Dupont gave them a nice big check after this aired...
Notice the complete lack of doomsday comments about R134...
http://youtu.be/ANtAbkKrOuI
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261300 is a reply to message #261297] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 12:06  |
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The same danger is present with gasoline in your car.
Maybe even more so because there's more of it.
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261310 is a reply to message #261300] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 16:29 |
Bullitthead
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The fuel system in the modern cars with the plastic lines in the engine compartment is much more vulnerable and has hundreds of times the incendiary power than any A/C system. So are backyard barbecue grills. Check the stats on injuries from those 2 compared to any caused by flammable refrigerants. I'll bet Keith is right on the DuPont funding, would be interesting to uncover the truth about that.
Remember, if the safety nazis had their way, we would not be able to have our GMCs on the roads at all.
Terry Kelpien
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261319 is a reply to message #261297] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 18:35 |
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That video was retarded. The Fire Marshall was retarded, the news anchors were retarded, the whole thing was retarded.
I don't believe you would all of a sudden have a catastrophic leak into the interior of a vehicle that the fuel air mixture would be correct at the exact second you were lighting a cigarette..... retarded.
Stupid scare tactic.
My opinion of course.
Jared
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| Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report [message #261327 is a reply to message #261316] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 19:23 |
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Thai is true. And even more interesting is that they own the patents for R-134a.
Emery Stora
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> On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:48 PM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald wrote:
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> If the rumors are correct, it was DuPont that was behind the outlawing of R-12 because their patents had run out!
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> More politicians greasing the palms of their campaign contributors???
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>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 15:29:42 -0600
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report
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>> The fuel system in the modern cars with the plastic lines in the engine compartment is much more vulnerable and has hundreds of times the incendiary
>> power than any A/C system. So are backyard barbecue grills. Check the stats on injuries from those 2 compared to any caused by flammable refrigerants.
>> I'll bet Keith is right on the DuPont funding, would be interesting to uncover the truth about that.
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>> Remember, if the safety nazis had their way, we would not be able to have our GMCs on the roads at all.
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>> Terry Kelpien
>> ASE Master Technician
>> 73 Glacier 260
>> Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: Awesome Duracool news report [message #261335 is a reply to message #261310] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 20:34 |
Keith V
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Bullitthead wrote on Mon, 08 September 2014 16:29The fuel system in the modern cars with the plastic lines in the engine compartment is much more vulnerable and has hundreds of times the incendiary power than any A/C system. So are backyard barbecue grills. Check the stats on injuries from those 2 compared to any caused by flammable refrigerants. I'll bet Keith is right on the DuPont funding, would be interesting to uncover the truth about that.
Remember, if the safety nazis had their way, we would not be able to have our GMCs on the roads at all.
remember tho, they don't want to kill us, just make us sick so we pay and pay and pay.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261339 is a reply to message #261297] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 20:53 |
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So here is my $0.02. First off I was employed by DuPont for 37 in a technical capacity.
Here is some history from "the inventors dot org"
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Refrigerators from the late 1800s until 1929 used the toxic gases, ammonia (NH3), methyl chloride (CH3Cl), and sulfur dioxide (SO2), as refrigerants. Several fatal accidents occurred in the 1920s because of methyl chloride leakage from refrigerators. People started leaving their refrigerators in their backyards. A collaborative effort began between three American corporations, Frigidaire, General Motors and DuPont to search for a less dangerous method of refrigeration.
In 1928, Thomas Midgley, Jr. aided by Charles Franklin Kettering invented a "miracle compound" called Freon. Freon represents several different chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs, which are used in commerce and industry. The CFCs are a group of aliphatic organic compounds containing the elements carbon and fluorine, and, in many cases, other halogens (especially chlorine) and hydrogen. Freons are colorless, odorless, nonflammable, noncorrosive gases or liquids.
Side Note: Charles Franklin Kettering invented the first electric automobile ignition system. He was also the vice-president of the General Motors Research Corporation from 1920 to 1948. General Motors' scientist, Thomas Midgley invented leaded (ethyl) gasoline.
Thomas Midgley was chosen by Charles Franklin Kettering to head the research into the new refrigerants. Frigidaire was issued the first patent, US#1,886,339, for the formula for CFCs on December 31, 1928.
In 1930, General Motors and DuPont formed the Kinetic Chemical Company to produce Freon. By 1935, Frigidaire and its competitors had sold 8 million new refrigerators in the United States using Freon made by the Kinetic Chemical Company. In 1932, the Carrier Engineering Corporation used Freon in the world's first self-contained home air conditioning unit, called an "Atmospheric Cabinet".
Side Note: The trade name Freon ® is a registered trademark belonging to E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Company (DuPont).
Because Freon is non-toxic, it eliminated the danger posed by refrigerator leaks. In just a few years, compressor refrigerators using Freon would become the standard for almost all home kitchens. In 1930, Thomas Midgley held a demonstration of the physical properties of Freon for the American Chemical Society by inhaling a lung-full of the new wonder gas and breathing it out onto a candle flame, which was extinguished, thus showing the gas's non-toxicity and non-flammable properties. Only decades later did people realize that such chlorofluorocarbons endangered the ozone layer of the entire planet.
Side Note: CFCs, or Freon, are now infamous for greatly adding to the depletion of the earth's ozone shield.
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The R-12 freon was phased out first because of the o3 depletion. Fact, I was there for that.
Halon was pulled from sale for the same reason. This was voluntary, and its patent's had not expired.
My personal belief about propane/butane blends and the reluctance for industrial backing is the fear of lawsuits. Just one or two accidents where someone is maimed and instant class action. Look at the GM ignition lock debacle. Who is willing to put their business at risk when a 100% safe alternative exists. As a GMC owner and you charge your rig with an alternative coolant lets say your risk of fire is 0.000001%. As a repair outlet lets say you recharge 4 cars a day, 260 days a year. Your risk is 0.001%. You are a distributor and have 100 dealers, your risk is real.
The comment about plastic fuel systems is next. The fuel is a liquid and will burn, the vapor is what is explosive. I had the low pressure hose blow on my 1977 Corvette and lost all the R-12 to engine compartment in 1978, the hose was too close to the exhaust manifold. If the hose had failed with propane/butane, who knows.
Lastly DuPont does not have a dog in this hunt anymore. The freon business, TiO2, and Corian group is for sale or sold.
Lastly if you work with R-12, R-22 refrigerants and use a propane or mapp torch, be very cautious about thermal decomposition of the product, as indicated by the change in the flame color. The by product is phosgene. R134 will decompose to hydrofluoric acid. The IDLH for these byproducts is very low.
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Libel and Slander
Two torts that involve the communication of false information about a person, a group, or an entity such as a corporation. Libel is any Defamation that can be seen, such as a writing, printing, effigy, movie, or statue. Slander is any defamation that is spoken and heard.
Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, or confidence; or induce disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injury to one's good name or reputation is affected through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing these torts are identical.
To recover in a libel or slander suit, the plaintiff must show evidence of four elements: that the defendant conveyed a defamatory message; that the material was published, meaning that it was conveyed to someone other than the plaintiff; that the plaintiff could be identified as the person referred to in the defamatory material; and that the plaintiff suffered some injury to his or her reputation as a result of the communication.
To prove that the material was defamatory, the plaintiff must show that at least one other person who saw or heard it understood it as having defamatory meaning. It is necessary to show not that all who heard or read the statement understood it to be defamatory, but only that one person other than the plaintiff did so. Therefore, even if the defendant contends that the communication was a joke, if one person other than the plaintiff took it seriously, the communication is considered defamatory.
Defamatory matter is published when it is communicated to someone other than the plaintiff. This can be done in several different ways. The defendant might loudly accuse the plaintiff of something in a public place where others are present, or make defamatory statements about the plaintiff in a newsletter or an on-line bulletin board. The defamation need not be printed or distributed. However, if the defendant does not intend it to be conveyed to anyone other than the plaintiff, and conveys it in a manner that ordinarily would prevent others from seeing or hearing it, the requirement of publication has not been satisfied even if a third party inadvertently overhears or witnesses the communication.Liability for republication of a defamatory statement is the same as for original publication, provided that the defendant had knowledge of the contents of the statement. Thus, newspapers, magazines, and broadcasters are liable for republication of libel or slander because they have editorial control over their communications. On the other hand, bookstores, libraries, and other distributors of material are liable for republication only if they know, or had reason to know, that the statement is defamatory. Common carriers such as telephone companies are not liable for defamatory material that they convey, even if they know that it is defamatory, unless they know, or have reason to know, that the sender does not have a privilege to communicate the material. Suppliers of communications equipment are never liable for defamatory material that is transmitted through the equipment they provide.
In general, there are four defenses to libel or slander: truth, consent, accident, and privilege. The fact that the allegedly defamatory communication is essentially true is usually an absolute defense; the defendant need not verify every detail of the communication, as long as its substance can be established. If the plaintiff consented to publication of the defamatory material, recovery is barred. Accidental publication of a defamatory statement does not constitute publication. Privilege confers Immunity on a small number of defendants who are directly involved in the furtherance of the public's business--for example, attorneys, judges, jurors, and witnesses whose statements are protected on public policy grounds.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report [message #261342 is a reply to message #261319] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 21:48 |
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AND, it's a five-year old video.
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> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:35:25 -0600
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report
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> That video was retarded. The Fire Marshall was retarded, the news anchors were retarded, the whole thing was retarded.
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> I don't believe you would all of a sudden have a catastrophic leak into the interior of a vehicle that the fuel air mixture would be correct at the
> exact second you were lighting a cigarette..... retarded.
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> Stupid scare tactic.
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> My opinion of course.
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> Jared
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261344 is a reply to message #261297] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 22:18 |
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I live in Phoenix. Channel 15 News sucks.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
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| Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report [message #261350 is a reply to message #261339] |
Mon, 08 September 2014 23:30 |
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Ernest,
FYI in Australia we have been using HyChill for donkeys years and there has NEVER been any incident like the ones pictured in the
video.
Here's a link to their website: http://www.hychill.com.au/
With all due respect I find it fascinating that the email below extols the virtues of those individuals that developed Freon but at
the end it states:
Side Note: CFCs, or Freon, are now infamous for greatly adding to the depletion of the earth's ozone shield.
I'm not a tree hugger but I reckon that's a HELL of a lot worse than what the HC12a can do / does!
At the end of the day if hydrocarbon based refrigeration gas was SO dangerous why didn't that video, the EPA, 134A manufacturers
publish documented incidents instead of showing BOGUS tests! Piping three cans of 12a into the vehicle and igniting it with a
candle, are they kidding? What a lot of BS!
Regards,
Rob M.
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 8:53 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report
So here is my $0.02. First off I was employed by DuPont for 37 in a technical capacity.
Here is some history from "the inventors dot org"
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Beginning of paste
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Refrigerators from the late 1800s until 1929 used the toxic gases, ammonia (NH3), methyl chloride (CH3Cl), and sulfur dioxide (SO2),
as refrigerants.
Several fatal accidents occurred in the 1920s because of methyl chloride leakage from refrigerators. People started leaving their
refrigerators in
their backyards. A collaborative effort began between three American corporations, Frigidaire, General Motors and DuPont to search
for a less
dangerous method of refrigeration.
In 1928, Thomas Midgley, Jr. aided by Charles Franklin Kettering invented a "miracle compound" called Freon. Freon represents
several different
chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs, which are used in commerce and industry. The CFCs are a group of aliphatic organic compounds
containing the elements
carbon and fluorine, and, in many cases, other halogens (especially chlorine) and hydrogen. Freons are colorless, odorless,
nonflammable, noncorrosive
gases or liquids.
Side Note: Charles Franklin Kettering invented the first electric automobile ignition system. He was also the vice-president of the
General Motors
Research Corporation from 1920 to 1948. General Motors' scientist, Thomas Midgley invented leaded (ethyl) gasoline.
Thomas Midgley was chosen by Charles Franklin Kettering to head the research into the new refrigerants. Frigidaire was issued the
first patent,
US#1,886,339, for the formula for CFCs on December 31, 1928.
In 1930, General Motors and DuPont formed the Kinetic Chemical Company to produce Freon. By 1935, Frigidaire and its competitors had
sold 8 million
new refrigerators in the United States using Freon made by the Kinetic Chemical Company. In 1932, the Carrier Engineering
Corporation used Freon in
the world's first self-contained home air conditioning unit, called an "Atmospheric Cabinet".
Side Note: The trade name Freon R is a registered trademark belonging to E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Company (DuPont).
Because Freon is non-toxic, it eliminated the danger posed by refrigerator leaks. In just a few years, compressor refrigerators
using Freon would
become the standard for almost all home kitchens. In 1930, Thomas Midgley held a demonstration of the physical properties of Freon
for the American
Chemical Society by inhaling a lung-full of the new wonder gas and breathing it out onto a candle flame, which was extinguished,
thus showing the
gas's non-toxicity and non-flammable properties. Only decades later did people realize that such chlorofluorocarbons endangered the
ozone layer of the
entire planet.
Side Note: CFCs, or Freon, are now infamous for greatly adding to the depletion of the earth's ozone shield.
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end of paste
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The R-12 freon was phased out first because of the o3 depletion. Fact, I was there for that.
Halon was pulled from sale for the same reason. This was voluntary, and its patent's had not expired.
My personal belief about propane/butane blends and the reluctance for industrial backing is the fear of lawsuits. Just one or two
accidents where
someone is maimed and instant class action. Look at the GM ignition lock debacle. Who is willing to put their business at risk when
a 100% safe
alternative exists. As a GMC owner and you charge your rig with an alternative coolant lets say your risk of fire is 0.000001%. As a
repair outlet
lets say you recharge 4 cars a day, 260 days a year. Your risk is 0.001%. You are a distributor and have 100 dealers, your risk is
real.
The comment about plastic fuel systems is next. The fuel is a liquid and will burn, the vapor is what is explosive. I had the low
pressure hose blow
on my 1977 Corvette and lost all the R-12 to engine compartment in 1978, the hose was too close to the exhaust manifold. If the hose
had failed with
propane/butane, who knows.
Lastly DuPont does not have a dog in this hunt anymore. The freon business, TiO2, and Corian group is for sale or sold.
Lastly if you work with R-12, R-22 refrigerants and use a propane or mapp torch, be very cautious about thermal decomposition of the
product, as
indicated by the change in the flame color. The by product is phosgene. R134 will decompose to hydrofluoric acid. The IDLH for
these byproducts is
very low.
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Free Dictionary dot com paste begin
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Libel and Slander
Two torts that involve the communication of false information about a person, a group, or an entity such as a corporation. Libel is
any Defamation
that can be seen, such as a writing, printing, effigy, movie, or statue. Slander is any defamation that is spoken and heard.
Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, or
confidence; or induce
disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injury to one's good name or
reputation is affected
through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing these torts are identical.
To recover in a libel or slander suit, the plaintiff must show evidence of four elements: that the defendant conveyed a defamatory
message; that the
material was published, meaning that it was conveyed to someone other than the plaintiff; that the plaintiff could be identified as
the person
referred to in the defamatory material; and that the plaintiff suffered some injury to his or her reputation as a result of the
communication.
To prove that the material was defamatory, the plaintiff must show that at least one other person who saw or heard it understood it
as having
defamatory meaning. It is necessary to show not that all who heard or read the statement understood it to be defamatory, but only
that one person
other than the plaintiff did so. Therefore, even if the defendant contends that the communication was a joke, if one person other
than the plaintiff
took it seriously, the communication is considered defamatory.
Defamatory matter is published when it is communicated to someone other than the plaintiff. This can be done in several different
ways. The defendant
might loudly accuse the plaintiff of something in a public place where others are present, or make defamatory statements about the
plaintiff in a
newsletter or an on-line bulletin board. The defamation need not be printed or distributed. However, if the defendant does not
intend it to be
conveyed to anyone other than the plaintiff, and conveys it in a manner that ordinarily would prevent others from seeing or hearing
it, the
requirement of publication has not been satisfied even if a third party inadvertently overhears or witnesses the
communication.Liability for
republication of a defamatory statement is the same as for original publication, provided that the defendant had knowledge of the
contents of the
statement. Thus, newspapers, magazines, and broadcasters are liable for republication of libel or slander because they have
editorial control over
their communications. On the other hand, bookstores, libraries, and other distributors of material are liable for republication only
if they know, or
had reason to know, that the statement is defamatory. Common carriers such as telephone companies are not liable for defamatory
material that they
convey, even if they know that it is defamatory, unless they know, or have reason to know, that the sender does not have a privilege
to communicate
the material. Suppliers of communications equipment are never liable for defamatory material that is transmitted through the
equipment they provide.
In general, there are four defenses to libel or slander: truth, consent, accident, and privilege. The fact that the allegedly
defamatory communication
is essentially true is usually an absolute defense; the defendant need not verify every detail of the communication, as long as its
substance can be
established. If the plaintiff consented to publication of the defamatory material, recovery is barred. Accidental publication of a
defamatory
statement does not constitute publication. Privilege confers Immunity on a small number of defendants who are directly involved in
the furtherance of
the public's business--for example, attorneys, judges, jurors, and witnesses whose statements are protected on public policy
grounds.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Awesome Duracool new report [message #261351 is a reply to message #261350] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 00:08 |
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Placing and enforcing a gag order on the truth does not decrease it's truthfulness. It only makes one guilty of obfuscation.
There is no slander or libel when speaking or writing the truth about any situation. And this situation occurred some 23 years ago,
when the patent on R-12 expired and anybody was going to be able to make and sell it, and would not have to pay patent fees.
As to those that adhere to Al Gore and others political machinations...NO CHLORINE FOR YOU! You will not be welcome in my clean air
conditioned spaces.
Terry Kelpien
ASE Master Technician
73 Glacier 260
Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261387 is a reply to message #261297] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 09:33 |
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The problem with news is the lack of follow up. I guess Fukushima is all cleaned up now as we hear no news about it. The story that R12 or 22 were not responsible for upper atmosphere o3 depletion would be a big story, but no followup. A melted hose on an R12 system can cause a huge fireball. Oil spray works that way in a depressurizing system. Workes great in oil fired furnaces and waste oil burners. My moto is to use the refigerant that the system was designed for.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261392 is a reply to message #261387] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 10:59 |
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JohnL455 wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 07:33The problem with news is the lack of follow up. I guess Fukushima is all cleaned up now as we hear no news about it. The story that R12 or 22 were not responsible for upper atmosphere o3 depletion would be a big story, but no followup. A melted hose on an R12 system can cause a huge fireball. Oil spray works that way in a depressurizing system. Workes great in oil fired furnaces and waste oil burners. My moto is to use the refigerant that the system was designed for.
At first I thought you were about to say R12 burns I used to use R12 and R22 as a fire extinguisher if I caught a system on fire with my welding rig. You are correct about the oil it is always the cause of the fire.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261393 is a reply to message #261372] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 11:21 |
lotsofspareparts
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Location: Arlington, WA
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Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 05:56lotsofspareparts wrote on Mon, 08 September 2014 19:35That video was retarded. The Fire Marshall was retarded, the news anchors were retarded, the whole thing was retarded.
I don't believe you would all of a sudden have a catastrophic leak into the interior of a vehicle that the fuel air mixture would be correct at the exact second you were lighting a cigarette..... retarded.
Stupid scare tactic.
My opinion of course.
Jared
Jared,
You are being very unfair to the mentally challenged folks. Most of them know when to keep their mouths closed.
Matt
That is a pretty retarded statement to me.
For one you are taking the word "retarded" and applying it to someone who is "mentally challenged", that is pretty sick in my mind.
I have never looked at or spoke to someone who was physically and or mentally challenged and thought they were retarded. That is cruel.
Retarded is a word that gets applied to everyone at one point in time. Every morning when I climb out of the shower I look at my arm and think "that tattoo is retarded".
We all make retarded moves at one point or another and if I ever heard someone call someone who was mentally challenged a retard in front of me.... we would have words!!
Think before you post Matt, don't make me out to be the bad guy when you can apparently look at someone who is disabled and think they are retarded.
Nuff Said!!
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: Awesome Duracool new report [message #261398 is a reply to message #261393] |
Tue, 09 September 2014 12:00 |
Keith V
Messages: 2337
Registered: March 2008
Location: Mounds View,MN
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lotsofspareparts wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 11:21Matt Colie wrote on Tue, 09 September 2014 05:56lotsofspareparts wrote on Mon, 08 September 2014 19:35That video was retarded. The Fire Marshall was retarded, the news anchors were retarded, the whole thing was retarded.
I don't believe you would all of a sudden have a catastrophic leak into the interior of a vehicle that the fuel air mixture would be correct at the exact second you were lighting a cigarette..... retarded.
Stupid scare tactic.
My opinion of course.
Jared
Jared,
You are being very unfair to the mentally challenged folks. Most of them know when to keep their mouths closed.
Matt
That is a pretty retarded statement to me.
For one you are taking the word "retarded" and applying it to someone who is "mentally challenged", that is pretty sick in my mind.
I have never looked at or spoke to someone who was physically and or mentally challenged and thought they were retarded. That is cruel.
Retarded is a word that gets applied to everyone at one point in time. Every morning when I climb out of the shower I look at my arm and think "that tattoo is retarded".
We all make retarded moves at one point or another and if I ever heard someone call someone who was mentally challenged a retard in front of me.... we would have words!!
Think before you post Matt, don't make me out to be the bad guy when you can apparently look at someone who is disabled and think they are retarded.
Nuff Said!!
Jared
I think you took Matts comment wrong.
He was saying the people in the video don't appear as smart as the stereotypical mentally challenged person...
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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