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Fri, 15 August 2014 23:56  |
Ken Henderson
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Location: Americus, GA
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I've had too much "fun" the past few days to keep to myself:
On Monday evening, the GMC's new 28" TV arrived, per HER insistence
before we go to Chippewa Falls. I spent most of Tuesday and part of
Wednesday redesigning the wall mount to accept that set, replacing the
old analog-only 17" set. I won't bore with all the trivial problems
that cost me the little hair I had left. Won't even mention the two
mounting adapters I made that didn't work.
On Wednesday, the new Dish TV "Tailgater" antenna and receiver arrived
late so I didn't fool with it until yesterday afternoon. Setting the
receiver in the compartment and plugging in the power and RG-6 was
easy. But then the fun started. Connecting the other end of the 50'
RG-6 to the Tailgater's (TG) little "octagonal cube" (what the H... do
you call that shape anyway?), was easy too. But then the fun began.
With the TG positioned on the ground in a location that seemed to
provide the same clear sky view as that enjoyed by the fixed dish for
the house, I began the on-screen installation procedure. It's pretty
easy. Just enter the state I'm in and wait 5+ minutes for the system
to find the 3 satellites of interest, download the current channel
guide and any necessary firmware updates, and then register and start
watching.
'Cept it said something like "No satellites found"! OK, so, I move
the TG. Back inside, I unplug the receiver to reinitialize it, and
wait again. "No satellites found". OK, I fixed that by putting the
TG on the shed roof beside the RV shelter. "No satellites found".
Hmmm... OK, put it back on the ground a little way from the first
spot. "All satellites not found". Hmmm -- that's different. Read
some more documentation. No explanation. Try continuing the
on-screen procedure, since it would let me. Eventually, I found that
really should have read "Not ALL satellites found" -- it did find one,
sorta. But not good enough to use.
Now I'm getting desperate -- I REALLY don't want to have to call for
assistance nor return this thing. So, onto the top of the Land-Sea
container behind the RV shelter goes the TG. Now it's REALLY got a
good clear view of the southern sky, as all the documentation
requires. Back inside and wait another 5+ minutes to see "No
satellites found".
You get the idea -- I continued that process on a ladder, on top of
the greenhouse, standing on my head, etc, etc. "No satellites found".
Somewhere in here the day ran out and I went in the house, cranky as
all get-out.
This morning: OK, 100' north of the GMC's shelter there's the fixed
antenna for the house; it works great, so I'll just move the GMC back
there and put the TG beside that antenna -- I KNOW that's a good spot.
The GMC and I did a 40 mile test run about a week ago and it ran
great. But this time, the starter just spun and spun with no sputters
coming from the engine! So, I raised the hatch and removed the TB
snorkel. This time, lots of spinnie, but no squirtzie! Hmmmm...looks
like my old LOP switch problem has recurred. So I jumped that --
still no spritz in the TB throats. OK, fuel pump time. With a
trouble light attached to the pump leads, I soon learned that there
was 12 VDC reaching there during cranking. That sort of leaves the
fuel pump. No big deal; I've got a spare, as always.
The "spare" turned out to be a peculiar affair, about 1/2 the diameter
of all the others I've seen, which seemed to put out about 4 psi --
darned if I know why I bought it -- probably too cheeep to pass up.
The closest thing I had to another spare was marked "BAD hot". Hmmpf.
OK, I'm only going 100' and back; it can't get very hot in that time.
So I installed that one. Thank goodness for its location on the
outside of the frame rail.
Crankee --- AND STARTEE! Quick, back up behind the Dish antenna.
Crank the Onan to avoid plugging into the nearby 50A socket. Position
the TG on a ladder right beside the fixed antenna. Wait 5+ minutes
for "No sat...". I'm almost cussing by now. But I moved the ladder
and the TG to a still more certainly clear location and tried again:
"All satellites...". You gotta be kidding! But I went ahead through
the procedure and came to a screen beyond which I could only proceed
by calling Dish to register (for another $7 per month) the additional
receiver.
So, I called and got a guy who obviously knew nothing technical, and
was in a boiler room with 50 other reps shouting at the tops of their
voices at cranky old men who couldn't get their systems to work.
Finally, we got the two 10 digit numbers communicated which allowed
him to turn on the receiver for me. TA DA! Video! For a moment.
Then it said "HD signal lost, switching to SD". Then the screen went
blank. Well...After we exhausted his knowledge, he transferred to
some squeakly voiced furrin gal in another boiler room. After I went
through the whole miserable tale AGAIN with her, and she asked a bunch
of dumb questions, and we checked some hidden screen displays, she
gave up: "I'll have a local technician bring you a shorter RG-6 (than
the 50' that came with it, and less than the 200' it's supposed to
accept) to see if that helps." Me: "If that helps, I don't need this
thing -- the purpose for having it is to get out away from where I'm
shaded!" At any rate, she gave me the local technician's 'phone
number.
So, I called him, and repeated the tale AGAIN. Finally, I had someone
who knew SOMETHING! After a few minutes, he gave me the azimuth and
elevation of the 3 Eastern Satellites and the 3 Western Satellites
that Dish uses. THEN, he informs me that the Tailgater can ONLY
receive the Western Satellites. Mind you, all of the documentation
says be sure you have a clear view "TO THE SOUTH". The fixed antenna
is looking at the Eastern Satellites! Guess what: There are 100+'
tall pine trees all to the west of my 3 acres! OK. SO. MAYBE I'll
be in campgrounds not so afflicted. Tomorrow I'll drive to an area
that's clear to the SW and try again to be SURE that's the problem.
If that works, MAYBE I'll keep it. Maybe not.
With my cousin coming to spend the weekend in the guest house, I
needed to clear the GMC out of the driveway. Whaaaat? No start??? I
just fixed you, you stupid GMC! Sure 'nuff -- no squirtee no more.
Bah Humbug. I'll tend to you tomorrow.
So here I am, with it off my chest and the rest of you giggling your
fool heads off!!!
GOOD NIGHT!
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #258995 is a reply to message #258992] |
Sat, 16 August 2014 00:35  |
Guy Lopes
Messages: 499
Registered: April 2004
Location: Sacramento, CA
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Ken,
Giggling? Ok, yes I am. Hahahaha this story is just too funny. But we're not
laughing AT you... blah blah blah
Those of us who have picked ourselves off of the floor and are back in the
shop stool in front of the computer can personally see ourselves in the
story. In the very shoes that you now have on your feet!
Yes we've all been there. But not all of us are quite the wordsmiths that
you are, and able to recount this great story with the same "humor" that you
are able to.
Thanks for sharing!
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
W6TOL
www.GMC-Guy.com
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 9:56 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days
I've had too much "fun" the past few days to keep to myself:
On Monday evening, the GMC's new 28" TV arrived, per HER insistence before
we go to Chippewa Falls. I spent most of Tuesday and part of Wednesday
redesigning the wall mount to accept that set, replacing the old analog-only
17" set. I won't bore with all the trivial problems that cost me the little
hair I had left. Won't even mention the two mounting adapters I made that
didn't work.
On Wednesday, the new Dish TV "Tailgater" antenna and receiver arrived late
so I didn't fool with it until yesterday afternoon. Setting the receiver in
the compartment and plugging in the power and RG-6 was easy. But then the
fun started. Connecting the other end of the 50'
RG-6 to the Tailgater's (TG) little "octagonal cube" (what the H... do you
call that shape anyway?), was easy too. But then the fun began.
With the TG positioned on the ground in a location that seemed to provide
the same clear sky view as that enjoyed by the fixed dish for the house, I
began the on-screen installation procedure. It's pretty easy. Just enter
the state I'm in and wait 5+ minutes for the system to find the 3 satellites
of interest, download the current channel guide and any necessary firmware
updates, and then register and start watching.
'Cept it said something like "No satellites found"! OK, so, I move the TG.
Back inside, I unplug the receiver to reinitialize it, and wait again. "No
satellites found". OK, I fixed that by putting the TG on the shed roof
beside the RV shelter. "No satellites found".
Hmmm... OK, put it back on the ground a little way from the first spot.
"All satellites not found". Hmmm -- that's different. Read some more
documentation. No explanation. Try continuing the on-screen procedure,
since it would let me. Eventually, I found that really should have read
"Not ALL satellites found" -- it did find one, sorta. But not good enough
to use.
Now I'm getting desperate -- I REALLY don't want to have to call for
assistance nor return this thing. So, onto the top of the Land-Sea
container behind the RV shelter goes the TG. Now it's REALLY got a good
clear view of the southern sky, as all the documentation requires. Back
inside and wait another 5+ minutes to see "No satellites found".
You get the idea -- I continued that process on a ladder, on top of the
greenhouse, standing on my head, etc, etc. "No satellites found".
Somewhere in here the day ran out and I went in the house, cranky as all
get-out.
This morning: OK, 100' north of the GMC's shelter there's the fixed antenna
for the house; it works great, so I'll just move the GMC back there and put
the TG beside that antenna -- I KNOW that's a good spot.
The GMC and I did a 40 mile test run about a week ago and it ran great. But
this time, the starter just spun and spun with no sputters coming from the
engine! So, I raised the hatch and removed the TB snorkel. This time, lots
of spinnie, but no squirtzie! Hmmmm...looks like my old LOP switch problem
has recurred. So I jumped that -- still no spritz in the TB throats. OK,
fuel pump time. With a trouble light attached to the pump leads, I soon
learned that there was 12 VDC reaching there during cranking. That sort of
leaves the fuel pump. No big deal; I've got a spare, as always.
The "spare" turned out to be a peculiar affair, about 1/2 the diameter of
all the others I've seen, which seemed to put out about 4 psi -- darned if I
know why I bought it -- probably too cheeep to pass up.
The closest thing I had to another spare was marked "BAD hot". Hmmpf.
OK, I'm only going 100' and back; it can't get very hot in that time.
So I installed that one. Thank goodness for its location on the outside of
the frame rail.
Crankee --- AND STARTEE! Quick, back up behind the Dish antenna.
Crank the Onan to avoid plugging into the nearby 50A socket. Position the
TG on a ladder right beside the fixed antenna. Wait 5+ minutes for "No
sat...". I'm almost cussing by now. But I moved the ladder and the TG to a
still more certainly clear location and tried again:
"All satellites...". You gotta be kidding! But I went ahead through the
procedure and came to a screen beyond which I could only proceed by calling
Dish to register (for another $7 per month) the additional receiver.
So, I called and got a guy who obviously knew nothing technical, and was in
a boiler room with 50 other reps shouting at the tops of their voices at
cranky old men who couldn't get their systems to work.
Finally, we got the two 10 digit numbers communicated which allowed him to
turn on the receiver for me. TA DA! Video! For a moment.
Then it said "HD signal lost, switching to SD". Then the screen went blank.
Well...After we exhausted his knowledge, he transferred to some squeakly
voiced furrin gal in another boiler room. After I went through the whole
miserable tale AGAIN with her, and she asked a bunch of dumb questions, and
we checked some hidden screen displays, she gave up: "I'll have a local
technician bring you a shorter RG-6 (than the 50' that came with it, and
less than the 200' it's supposed to
accept) to see if that helps." Me: "If that helps, I don't need this thing
-- the purpose for having it is to get out away from where I'm shaded!" At
any rate, she gave me the local technician's 'phone number.
So, I called him, and repeated the tale AGAIN. Finally, I had someone who
knew SOMETHING! After a few minutes, he gave me the azimuth and elevation
of the 3 Eastern Satellites and the 3 Western Satellites that Dish uses.
THEN, he informs me that the Tailgater can ONLY receive the Western
Satellites. Mind you, all of the documentation says be sure you have a
clear view "TO THE SOUTH". The fixed antenna is looking at the Eastern
Satellites! Guess what: There are 100+'
tall pine trees all to the west of my 3 acres! OK. SO. MAYBE I'll be in
campgrounds not so afflicted. Tomorrow I'll drive to an area that's clear
to the SW and try again to be SURE that's the problem.
If that works, MAYBE I'll keep it. Maybe not.
With my cousin coming to spend the weekend in the guest house, I needed to
clear the GMC out of the driveway. Whaaaat? No start??? I just fixed you,
you stupid GMC! Sure 'nuff -- no squirtee no more.
Bah Humbug. I'll tend to you tomorrow.
So here I am, with it off my chest and the rest of you giggling your fool
heads off!!!
GOOD NIGHT!
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #259021 is a reply to message #258992] |
Sat, 16 August 2014 08:02 |
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USAussie
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Ken,
This is funny!
For the life of me I can't understand why you had all these problems, when my Tailgater and receiver were delivered I sat the
Tailgater on top of the rear A/C, tied it down with bungee cords, plugged the Tailgater into the receiver and the receiver into the
TV and turned everything on. The Tailgater found the satellites and I went through the step by step procedure to find the channels
without any problems.
I wonder if maybe the Tailgater knew you were a EE and it decided to challenge you a bit? It knew I am electrically / electronically
challenged and decided to work fine for me.
:>)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 11:56 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days
I've had too much "fun" the past few days to keep to myself:
On Monday evening, the GMC's new 28" TV arrived, per HER insistence
before we go to Chippewa Falls. I spent most of Tuesday and part of
Wednesday redesigning the wall mount to accept that set, replacing the
old analog-only 17" set. I won't bore with all the trivial problems
that cost me the little hair I had left. Won't even mention the two
mounting adapters I made that didn't work.
On Wednesday, the new Dish TV "Tailgater" antenna and receiver arrived
late so I didn't fool with it until yesterday afternoon. Setting the
receiver in the compartment and plugging in the power and RG-6 was
easy. But then the fun started. Connecting the other end of the 50'
RG-6 to the Tailgater's (TG) little "octagonal cube" (what the H... do
you call that shape anyway?), was easy too. But then the fun began.
With the TG positioned on the ground in a location that seemed to
provide the same clear sky view as that enjoyed by the fixed dish for
the house, I began the on-screen installation procedure. It's pretty
easy. Just enter the state I'm in and wait 5+ minutes for the system
to find the 3 satellites of interest, download the current channel
guide and any necessary firmware updates, and then register and start
watching.
'Cept it said something like "No satellites found"! OK, so, I move
the TG. Back inside, I unplug the receiver to reinitialize it, and
wait again. "No satellites found". OK, I fixed that by putting the
TG on the shed roof beside the RV shelter. "No satellites found".
Hmmm... OK, put it back on the ground a little way from the first
spot. "All satellites not found". Hmmm -- that's different. Read
some more documentation. No explanation. Try continuing the
on-screen procedure, since it would let me. Eventually, I found that
really should have read "Not ALL satellites found" -- it did find one,
sorta. But not good enough to use.
Now I'm getting desperate -- I REALLY don't want to have to call for
assistance nor return this thing. So, onto the top of the Land-Sea
container behind the RV shelter goes the TG. Now it's REALLY got a
good clear view of the southern sky, as all the documentation
requires. Back inside and wait another 5+ minutes to see "No
satellites found".
You get the idea -- I continued that process on a ladder, on top of
the greenhouse, standing on my head, etc, etc. "No satellites found".
Somewhere in here the day ran out and I went in the house, cranky as
all get-out.
This morning: OK, 100' north of the GMC's shelter there's the fixed
antenna for the house; it works great, so I'll just move the GMC back
there and put the TG beside that antenna -- I KNOW that's a good spot.
The GMC and I did a 40 mile test run about a week ago and it ran
great. But this time, the starter just spun and spun with no sputters
coming from the engine! So, I raised the hatch and removed the TB
snorkel. This time, lots of spinnie, but no squirtzie! Hmmmm...looks
like my old LOP switch problem has recurred. So I jumped that --
still no spritz in the TB throats. OK, fuel pump time. With a
trouble light attached to the pump leads, I soon learned that there
was 12 VDC reaching there during cranking. That sort of leaves the
fuel pump. No big deal; I've got a spare, as always.
The "spare" turned out to be a peculiar affair, about 1/2 the diameter
of all the others I've seen, which seemed to put out about 4 psi --
darned if I know why I bought it -- probably too cheeep to pass up.
The closest thing I had to another spare was marked "BAD hot". Hmmpf.
OK, I'm only going 100' and back; it can't get very hot in that time.
So I installed that one. Thank goodness for its location on the
outside of the frame rail.
Crankee --- AND STARTEE! Quick, back up behind the Dish antenna.
Crank the Onan to avoid plugging into the nearby 50A socket. Position
the TG on a ladder right beside the fixed antenna. Wait 5+ minutes
for "No sat...". I'm almost cussing by now. But I moved the ladder
and the TG to a still more certainly clear location and tried again:
"All satellites...". You gotta be kidding! But I went ahead through
the procedure and came to a screen beyond which I could only proceed
by calling Dish to register (for another $7 per month) the additional
receiver.
So, I called and got a guy who obviously knew nothing technical, and
was in a boiler room with 50 other reps shouting at the tops of their
voices at cranky old men who couldn't get their systems to work.
Finally, we got the two 10 digit numbers communicated which allowed
him to turn on the receiver for me. TA DA! Video! For a moment.
Then it said "HD signal lost, switching to SD". Then the screen went
blank. Well...After we exhausted his knowledge, he transferred to
some squeakly voiced furrin gal in another boiler room. After I went
through the whole miserable tale AGAIN with her, and she asked a bunch
of dumb questions, and we checked some hidden screen displays, she
gave up: "I'll have a local technician bring you a shorter RG-6 (than
the 50' that came with it, and less than the 200' it's supposed to
accept) to see if that helps." Me: "If that helps, I don't need this
thing -- the purpose for having it is to get out away from where I'm
shaded!" At any rate, she gave me the local technician's 'phone
number.
So, I called him, and repeated the tale AGAIN. Finally, I had someone
who knew SOMETHING! After a few minutes, he gave me the azimuth and
elevation of the 3 Eastern Satellites and the 3 Western Satellites
that Dish uses. THEN, he informs me that the Tailgater can ONLY
receive the Western Satellites. Mind you, all of the documentation
says be sure you have a clear view "TO THE SOUTH". The fixed antenna
is looking at the Eastern Satellites! Guess what: There are 100+'
tall pine trees all to the west of my 3 acres! OK. SO. MAYBE I'll
be in campgrounds not so afflicted. Tomorrow I'll drive to an area
that's clear to the SW and try again to be SURE that's the problem.
If that works, MAYBE I'll keep it. Maybe not.
With my cousin coming to spend the weekend in the guest house, I
needed to clear the GMC out of the driveway. Whaaaat? No start??? I
just fixed you, you stupid GMC! Sure 'nuff -- no squirtee no more.
Bah Humbug. I'll tend to you tomorrow.
So here I am, with it off my chest and the rest of you giggling your
fool heads off!!!
GOOD NIGHT!
Ken H.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #259027 is a reply to message #259021] |
Sat, 16 August 2014 08:35 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726
Registered: March 2004
Location: Americus, GA
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Bah humbug!
Ken H.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:
> Ken,
>
> This is funny!
>
> For the life of me I can't understand why you had all these problems,
> when my Tailgater and receiver were delivered I sat the
> Tailgater on top of the rear A/C, tied it down with bungee cords, plugged
> the Tailgater into the receiver and the receiver into the
> TV and turned everything on. The Tailgater found the satellites and I went
> through the step by step procedure to find the channels
> without any problems.
>
> I wonder if maybe the Tailgater knew you were a EE and it decided to
> challenge you a bit? It knew I am electrically / electronically
> challenged and decided to work fine for me.
>
> :>)
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #259039 is a reply to message #258992] |
Sat, 16 August 2014 11:42 |
roy1
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Registered: July 2004
Location: Minden nevada
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It used to be so easy to find the satellite with my crank up wine guard and old direct receiver . Now I have a new dish receiver and the old crank up. I have to choose which satellite I want to use and then wait for the damn thing to load up when I find it. Dang I miss the old stuff it was so much simpler.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #259121 is a reply to message #259039] |
Sun, 17 August 2014 12:38 |
midlf
Messages: 2212
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roy1 wrote on Sat, 16 August 2014 11:4 Dang I miss the old stuff it was so much simpler.
Spoken like a true old fart!
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #259227 is a reply to message #258992] |
Mon, 18 August 2014 08:51 |
jhbridges
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Registered: May 2011
Location: Braselton ga
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Ken -
I usually get hold of the boiler room gerbils first, before I'm so pist I call them out. I've also found out, I get better results using most of the online chats at the help sites. The Indians and bangladeshis who work in these places tend to have excellent English, but incomprehensible accensts. Keyboarding cures this lack.
--johnny
'67 23' trnsmode norris
brasel;ton GA
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #259322 is a reply to message #258992] |
Tue, 19 August 2014 07:16 |
jhbridges
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Rob -
I expect it is as incomprehensible as theirs is to me. Which again points out, use the online chat for the least frustration. For those who have not met or talked with me, my accent makes Stick Miller sound like a Yankee.
--johnbny
76 23' transmode norris
Braselton ga
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fwd: Fun Days [message #259375 is a reply to message #259322] |
Tue, 19 August 2014 15:59 |
stick miller
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Location: Americus, Georgia
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Say Whut??
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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