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Thu, 14 August 2014 11:05  |
jade
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I read where a GMC'er lost all his axle bolts on one axle & had to be towed
to the next town.
I'm getting my 26' Painted Desert ready for a 5,000 mile plus trip this
month.
After reading this, I checked my axles & sure enough the bolts were loose on
both axles & a bolt was missing on the drivers side axle.
I only have about 15,000 miles on the final drive & that's when I replaced
all of the bolts & lock washers
& never thought to check them.
I have since taken Jim Hupy's advice & put red locktite on all the axle
bolts & torqued them at 75 pounds.
If I hadn't read about this on the net, I can't imagine what would have
happened on my trip.
I have owned my 23' ? for 31 years & never had a problem with axle bolts so
never thought to check them on the Painted Desert.
This is one of the values of sharing your experiences that you have &
putting them on the net.
Thank you net.
JADE
73 23'??
73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo, AZ.
KC7QGC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258811 is a reply to message #258810] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 11:15  |
roy1
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I just checked mine while it was jacked up for a flat. They are tight but my brake pads are in need of replacement at 20k.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258812 is a reply to message #258810] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 11:19 |
Neil
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That was me.
All in (towing, repairs, parts, accommodations) it cost about $2,500, lost a day and a half on the road, and after we got home my wife swore she would never ever take another trip in the GMC. (We'll see)
I will ALWAYS check the bolts before a long trip now. Even if I am going by myself....
Neil
76 Eleganza now sold
Los Angeles
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258813 is a reply to message #258810] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 11:13 |
Bob Wright
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I may have some experiences to share after this weekend. Bringing a
recent purchase home after it has been unused for some time. Fluids and
pressures all checked. Runs smooth and straight. We will see what the
first a hundred miles shows. I have some tools but carrying too much to
it is not practical (battery, gas can, hoses etc.) as I am a walk on ferry
passenger to get to the coach. Wish me luck.
Cheers;
Bob
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Jim Decheine
wrote:
> I read where a GMC'er lost all his axle bolts on one axle & had to be towed
> to the next town.
> I'm getting my 26' Painted Desert ready for a 5,000 mile plus trip this
> month.
> After reading this, I checked my axles & sure enough the bolts were loose
> on
> both axles & a bolt was missing on the drivers side axle.
> I only have about 15,000 miles on the final drive & that's when I replaced
> all of the bolts & lock washers
> & never thought to check them.
> I have since taken Jim Hupy's advice & put red locktite on all the axle
> bolts & torqued them at 75 pounds.
> If I hadn't read about this on the net, I can't imagine what would have
> happened on my trip.
> I have owned my 23' ? for 31 years & never had a problem with axle bolts so
> never thought to check them on the Painted Desert.
> This is one of the values of sharing your experiences that you have &
> putting them on the net.
> Thank you net.
> JADE
> 73 23'??
> 73 26' Painted Desert
> Ajo, AZ.
> KC7QGC
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258814 is a reply to message #258810] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 11:19 |
Rob
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I would have thought Loctite blue would be more appropriate. Red requires heat to break, IIRC.
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-08-14, at 9:05 AM, Jim Decheine wrote:
> I read where a GMC'er lost all his axle bolts on one axle & had to be towed
> to the next town.
> I'm getting my 26' Painted Desert ready for a 5,000 mile plus trip this
> month.
> After reading this, I checked my axles & sure enough the bolts were loose on
> both axles & a bolt was missing on the drivers side axle.
> I only have about 15,000 miles on the final drive & that's when I replaced
> all of the bolts & lock washers
> & never thought to check them.
> I have since taken Jim Hupy's advice & put red locktite on all the axle
> bolts & torqued them at 75 pounds.
> If I hadn't read about this on the net, I can't imagine what would have
> happened on my trip.
> I have owned my 23' ? for 31 years & never had a problem with axle bolts so
> never thought to check them on the Painted Desert.
> This is one of the values of sharing your experiences that you have &
> putting them on the net.
> Thank you net.
> JADE
> 73 23'??
> 73 26' Painted Desert
> Ajo, AZ.
> KC7QGC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258815 is a reply to message #258813] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 11:32 |
Ken Burton
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It is always the driver's side that comes loose for some reason. If you torqued them and added a dab of red locktite, you should be OK in the future.
Still check them a few more times in the future.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258817 is a reply to message #258810] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 12:35 |
James Hupy
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Yes, but DO NOT USE RED LOCTITE. USE BLUE THREADLOCKER. YOU WILL HAVE TO
USE HEAT TO REMOVE THE BOLTS IF YOU USE RED. (SHOUTING OFF)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
On Aug 14, 2014 9:05 AM, "Jim Decheine" wrote:
> I read where a GMC'er lost all his axle bolts on one axle & had to be towed
> to the next town.
> I'm getting my 26' Painted Desert ready for a 5,000 mile plus trip this
> month.
> After reading this, I checked my axles & sure enough the bolts were loose
> on
> both axles & a bolt was missing on the drivers side axle.
> I only have about 15,000 miles on the final drive & that's when I replaced
> all of the bolts & lock washers
> & never thought to check them.
> I have since taken Jim Hupy's advice & put red locktite on all the axle
> bolts & torqued them at 75 pounds.
> If I hadn't read about this on the net, I can't imagine what would have
> happened on my trip.
> I have owned my 23' ? for 31 years & never had a problem with axle bolts so
> never thought to check them on the Painted Desert.
> This is one of the values of sharing your experiences that you have &
> putting them on the net.
> Thank you net.
> JADE
> 73 23'??
> 73 26' Painted Desert
> Ajo, AZ.
> KC7QGC
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258819 is a reply to message #258810] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 14:02 |
Cadillackeeper
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I lost all but one on the drivers side of my Eldo years back ONCE.It will never happen again!
I should have seen when I put in a quart of oil,pull out and Bang.Only bolt that was left finally broke when the end cammed around hit the frame lifted the motor out of the car,fan blades are breaking and smashing into the hood clinking into the hood.I had to drill it out of the plate to whack in a new shaft.I now also have a chain welded to the frame attached to the motor mount so the engine will not come out of the car again on its own...
77 455 Elaganza II and 67 Animal, Built 500 Powered Eldo
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258822 is a reply to message #258817] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 14:54 |
jade
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hupy"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts
Jim
I went by what you said on your thread about what you use when installing
axle bolts.
You said that you used RED locktite.
I read it twice to make sure because I know that you have to apply heat to
get them out.
Too late now as all the bolts are in with RED locktite.
JADE
73 23'??
73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo, AZ.
KC7QGC
Yes, but DO NOT USE RED LOCTITE. USE BLUE THREADLOCKER. YOU WILL HAVE TO
> USE HEAT TO REMOVE THE BOLTS IF YOU USE RED. (SHOUTING OFF)
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> On Aug 14, 2014 9:05 AM, "Jim Decheine"
> wrote:
>
>> I read where a GMC'er lost all his axle bolts on one axle & had to be
>> towed
>> to the next town.
>> I'm getting my 26' Painted Desert ready for a 5,000 mile plus trip this
>> month.
>> After reading this, I checked my axles & sure enough the bolts were loose
>> on
>> both axles & a bolt was missing on the drivers side axle.
>> I only have about 15,000 miles on the final drive & that's when I
>> replaced
>> all of the bolts & lock washers
>> & never thought to check them.
>> I have since taken Jim Hupy's advice & put red locktite on all the axle
>> bolts & torqued them at 75 pounds.
>> If I hadn't read about this on the net, I can't imagine what would have
>> happened on my trip.
>> I have owned my 23' ? for 31 years & never had a problem with axle bolts
>> so
>> never thought to check them on the Painted Desert.
>> This is one of the values of sharing your experiences that you have &
>> putting them on the net.
>> Thank you net.
>> JADE
>> 73 23'??
>> 73 26' Painted Desert
>> Ajo, AZ.
>> KC7QGC
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258824 is a reply to message #258823] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 16:52 |
sgltrac
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I will echo what Rob M said. I have used red loc-tite on lots of smaller motorcycle bolts and have never needed heat to remove. I also do not flood the bolt across its entire threaded section tho.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:49 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>
> Jim D,
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> Don't worry about it; I used NOTHING BUT red Locktite for 5 years when I was building Harley-Davidson's in Hong Kong. I took many
> bolts out that I had installed with red Loctite WITHOUT heat.
>
> You just have to apply constant torque above what the bolts were tightened to and they will come loose.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Decheine
>
> Jim
> I went by what you said on your thread about what you use when installing
> axle bolts.
> You said that you used RED locktite.
> I read it twice to make sure because I know that you have to apply heat to
> get them out.
> Too late now as all the bolts are in with RED locktite.
> JADE
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258825 is a reply to message #258813] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 17:26 |
Rob
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Good luck on the return trip - looking forward to seeing another GMC in Victoria!
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-08-14, at 9:13 AM, Bob Wright wrote:
> I may have some experiences to share after this weekend. Bringing a
> recent purchase home after it has been unused for some time. Fluids and
> pressures all checked. Runs smooth and straight. We will see what the
> first a hundred miles shows. I have some tools but carrying too much to
> it is not practical (battery, gas can, hoses etc.) as I am a walk on ferry
> passenger to get to the coach. Wish me luck.
>
> Cheers;
> Bob
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258845 is a reply to message #258825] |
Thu, 14 August 2014 20:17 |
jimk
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At our shop, I insist on using blue lock tite.
It is quite a neat chemical, there are two things that set it off;
Lack of oxygen and metallic ion.
They are not cheap, but it is a necessary part of a shop.
also on the flex plate and torque converter.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Rob wrote:
> Good luck on the return trip - looking forward to seeing another GMC in
> Victoria!
>
> Rob
> Victoria, BC
> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
>
> On 2014-08-14, at 9:13 AM, Bob Wright wrote:
>
>> I may have some experiences to share after this weekend. Bringing a
>> recent purchase home after it has been unused for some time. Fluids and
>> pressures all checked. Runs smooth and straight. We will see what the
>> first a hundred miles shows. I have some tools but carrying too much to
>> it is not practical (battery, gas can, hoses etc.) as I am a walk on
> ferry
>> passenger to get to the coach. Wish me luck.
>>
>> Cheers;
>> Bob
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258879 is a reply to message #258869] |
Fri, 15 August 2014 07:32 |
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Jim,
When you get back from your trip if the bolts are all tight why would you bother replacing them?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Decheine
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 12:58 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mueller"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts
Thanks Rob;
I'm going to replace all the bolts & locks when I get back from the trip &
will let you know how the old bolts came out.
If they don't come out too bad I will stay with the red locktite otherwise
I'll use the grey.
Take care.
JADE
73 23'??
73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo, AZ.
KC7QGC
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts [message #258902 is a reply to message #258879] |
Fri, 15 August 2014 10:49 |
jade
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mueller"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts
Rob;
Good point.
Will let you know.
JADE
73 23'??
73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo, AZ.
KC7QGC
> Jim,
>
> When you get back from your trip if the bolts are all tight why would you
> bother replacing them?
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Decheine
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 12:58 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Mueller"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Loose axle bolts
>
> Thanks Rob;
> I'm going to replace all the bolts & locks when I get back from the trip &
> will let you know how the old bolts came out.
> If they don't come out too bad I will stay with the red locktite otherwise
> I'll use the grey.
> Take care.
> JADE
> 73 23'??
> 73 26' Painted Desert
> Ajo, AZ.
> KC7QGC
>
>
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