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Re: awnings [message #258622 is a reply to message #258514] Tue, 12 August 2014 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jimtze is currently offline  jimtze   Canada
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My coach has full length Zip Dees on each side. I have found myself in situations where the drivers side has to be parked facing the sun. I'd hate to be without my left side awning. I believe they are original and the fabric is still bright and in good shape. The stitching however is deteriorating and I wonder if anyone has ever had their awnings restitched.

Jim Bratvold Victoria, BC 76 Eleganza ll
Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258625 is a reply to message #258616] Tue, 12 August 2014 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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I think you'll find that most of the "armless" awnings DO have arms;
certainly the Omnistor does. Those arms are stowed inside the outer "tube"
and are swung into place after the awning is extended. There are brackets
mounted on the side of the motorhome, just as for those awnings with
permanently exposed arms. Or, the arms can be placed vertically (as can
most, except, I think, ZipDee).

For my part, I ALWAYS position the arms vertically -- it seems to be the
only way I can avoid running into them. However, I also ALWAYS tie the
outer corners of the awning to anchor augers (or other handy secure point)
immediately after deploying the awing. That habit saved my awning at least
once: In '96 we were at Mountain Home, ID in our '90 Air Stream Land
Yacht. We left the awning extended when we went off for the day. Arms
vertical and tie downs deployed. When we returned late in the afternoon,
the wind was up to 35-40 mph -- too much for HER and me to furl the awning,
so I just tightened the anchor ropes and hoped for the best. Before the
night was over, the winds reached 70 mph. The awning survived with no
damage.

A sad note from that day: When we returned to the coach, we could see
clouds of smoke on the distant horizon, across fields of grass. Later, we
could see flames. The news later reported that a forest ranger's pickup
could not outrun those flames and he was killed when overtaken. :-((

Regardless of the style of awing, I strongly encourage everyone to both
position the awning so that water will run off of it, and to tie it down.
I've seen toooo many awnings collapsed from sudden rain storms and blown
over roofs in sudden windstorms. It takes only a few minutes to handle
those chores.

Ken H.


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Espen Heitmann wrote:

> Well I do not have much experience when it comes to awnings, but DT was
> the only coach at the at the camping lot that dit not have an armless
> awning,
> it got kind of windy and the other guys started to tie their awnings to
> the ground, I did nothing, then it really started to blow and most of the
> others did retrackt their awnings while the GMC was shaking a little and
> the guy next to me got his awning blown over the roof of the coach tearing
> of
> his satelite antenna and some other stuff..
>
> So will I ever have a armless awning ? Nope I do not think so..
>
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258634 is a reply to message #258618] Tue, 12 August 2014 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know about ALL awnings, but it highly desirable to leave one end about a foot to foot and a half lower than the other end. This way, a sudden rainstorm will run OFF the awning and not collapse the whole thing. I don't think I have to explain how I learned that!

It's also helpful if the slope of the awning goes the same way as any slope to the parking area. That way, you don't dump all that water to run on the ground where you will enter and exit the coach!

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> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:37:38 +0200
> From: posde@theinternet.de
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings
>
> Interesting observation. My recently acquired Eleganza II does have one
> of those regular (with arm) awnings, and I was thinking about getting
> rid of it, and get some power assisted awning instead.
>
> I guess I'll keep what I have. According to the PO, they never used the
> awnings in their 34 years of owning the GMC. And the driver side awning
> (which I unwound), does look as if it hasn't seen the sun in that amount
> of time.
>
> It *is* a bit cumbersome to roll-out the awning with the arm, but I
> guess it does provide stability, which is nice.
>
> --
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>
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Re: awnings [message #258662 is a reply to message #258514] Wed, 13 August 2014 01:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SteveW is currently offline  SteveW   United States
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Well... how about this ??

http://cdn.busdepot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/E/Z/EZYPLUS.jpg

http://cdn.busdepot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/E/Z/EZYPLUS.jpg

Details here : http://www.busdepot.com/ezyplus

"Goes up quickly, and packs tiny into its own 26" storage bag when not in use. No drilling required, just put it up when needed and then take it down. Optional accessories allow you to customize the Ezy-Awning for your needs - add walls and screens for privacy or to create a screen house, make it fully self-supporting (no need to stake it down) with optional jackpoint or wheel mounts, and more. Or use it on a non VW vehicle (virtually any truck, SUV, van, etc.)"

$150.00 8 feet by 11 feet. Hmmm... Maybe two of them ??

Steve W
1973 23'
southern California



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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258672 is a reply to message #258662] Wed, 13 August 2014 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim at the Co-op is currently offline  Jim at the Co-op   United States
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There are many ways to justify having and not having an awning. Whatever
fits you do it. On the last outing some folks like not having one so they
could just unplug and drive their coach wherever they wanted quick and
easy-- that works. We had an awning and much of the cooking and sitting
around was under it but because of all the set up, we took the car when we
went to the beach. Another coach didn't have an awning but had a stand
alone, those folks could still pull away quickly leaving the stand alone
awning with all their outside stuff under it. All 3 ways were good.

Zip Dee is the only way to go if you are buying-- I'm sorry but those thin,
inexpensive "B van" awnings are more hassle to set up and are just not up
for much wind or rain. I don;t see trhe sense in a fair weather sun screen
awning. Yea the arms are there but it is just so easy to use and you can
about fly off in the wind! I have a full patio awning on both sides of one
of my coaches, I left both out in a serious wind/rain storm-- I finally put
them in because the coach was rocking so much I could not sleep!

Get a full length window awning for the driver side-- it shades the entire
side of the coach -- really helps-- plus as someone pointed out , you can
open the windows in the rain--- very nice.

My vote says I like awnings, they really make hanging around the coach
something to do, it's great watching the rain under it and yea--- the mark
of a guy who knows nothing about an awning is one with the thing level.
Tilt it or you will have a bowl to hold water! Jim K. and I are both
dealers and can have Zip Dee drop ship to you. Best to have a business
address to ship it to. Solid colors look fresher today, darker has to be a
little hotter-- that's always a toss up, do what you like.

True armless electric awnings are expensive. We have been and are still
installing custom "New Century" Zip Dee awnings custom made but yea-- they
are expensive AND there is no way to tilt them so when it rains it's
recommended to put them in. That's not as useable as they standard armed
awning. I know the arms are on the side but man, that awning is nice when
you need it!

My personal, biased, subjective opinion...

Jim Bounds
----------------------


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Steve Weinstock
wrote:

> Well... how about this ??
>
>
>
>
> http://cdn.busdepot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/E/Z/EZYPLUS.jpg
>
> Details here : http://www.busdepot.com/ezyplus
>
> "Goes up quickly, and packs tiny into its own 26" storage bag when not in
> use. No drilling required, just put it up when needed and then take it down.
> Optional accessories allow you to customize the Ezy-Awning for your needs
> - add walls and screens for privacy or to create a screen house, make it
> fully self-supporting (no need to stake it down) with optional jackpoint
> or wheel mounts, and more. Or use it on a non VW vehicle (virtually any
> truck, SUV, van, etc.)"
>
> $150.00 8 feet by 11 feet. Hmmm... Maybe two of them ??
>
> Steve W
> 1973 23'
> southern California
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258683 is a reply to message #258672] Wed, 13 August 2014 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steve,
Not to be an echo here but Jim is 100% correct when it comes to awnings. You're going to get the best pricing from the Jim’s so call them first. I have had ZipDee awnings on all my coaches ( 3 ) since 2002, quality piece that is very nice and easy to set up and take down by one person. Here in the GMCGL some members that do not have an awning mounted on the coach do use the stand along type canopy. Walmart sells several that are useable but you want the straight leg style. Being a vender that attends the GMCMI rallies I have an extra canopy that gives me additional coverage along with my ZipDee. You must tie down any canopy as I have watched a number of people chase their canopies across the campground. I always use tie downs with my ZipDee on the passenger side and have never had any problems with the wind.


or
http://goo.gl/vNCfZs

I prefer the no assembly required units at you just take them out of the carrying case and pop them up.


or
http://goo.gl/zkhMiQ


or
http://goo.gl/mP7fhh

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GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
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1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:

> There are many ways to justify having and not having an awning. Whatever
> fits you do it. On the last outing some folks like not having one so they
> could just unplug and drive their coach wherever they wanted quick and
> easy-- that works. We had an awning and much of the cooking and sitting
> around was under it but because of all the set up, we took the car when we
> went to the beach. Another coach didn't have an awning but had a stand
> alone, those folks could still pull away quickly leaving the stand alone
> awning with all their outside stuff under it. All 3 ways were good.
>
> Zip Dee is the only way to go if you are buying-- I'm sorry but those thin,
> inexpensive "B van" awnings are more hassle to set up and are just not up
> for much wind or rain. I don;t see trhe sense in a fair weather sun screen
> awning. Yea the arms are there but it is just so easy to use and you can
> about fly off in the wind! I have a full patio awning on both sides of one
> of my coaches, I left both out in a serious wind/rain storm-- I finally put
> them in because the coach was rocking so much I could not sleep!
>
> Get a full length window awning for the driver side-- it shades the entire
> side of the coach -- really helps-- plus as someone pointed out , you can
> open the windows in the rain--- very nice.
>
> My vote says I like awnings, they really make hanging around the coach
> something to do, it's great watching the rain under it and yea--- the mark
> of a guy who knows nothing about an awning is one with the thing level.
> Tilt it or you will have a bowl to hold water! Jim K. and I are both
> dealers and can have Zip Dee drop ship to you. Best to have a business
> address to ship it to. Solid colors look fresher today, darker has to be a
> little hotter-- that's always a toss up, do what you like.
>
> True armless electric awnings are expensive. We have been and are still
> installing custom "New Century" Zip Dee awnings custom made but yea-- they
> are expensive AND there is no way to tilt them so when it rains it's
> recommended to put them in. That's not as useable as they standard armed
> awning. I know the arms are on the side but man, that awning is nice when
> you need it!
>
> My personal, biased, subjective opinion...
>
> Jim Bounds
> ----------------------
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Steve Weinstock
> wrote:
>
>> Well... how about this ??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://cdn.busdepot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/E/Z/EZYPLUS.jpg
>>
>> Details here : http://www.busdepot.com/ezyplus
>>
>> "Goes up quickly, and packs tiny into its own 26" storage bag when not in
>> use. No drilling required, just put it up when needed and then take it down.
>> Optional accessories allow you to customize the Ezy-Awning for your needs
>> - add walls and screens for privacy or to create a screen house, make it
>> fully self-supporting (no need to stake it down) with optional jackpoint
>> or wheel mounts, and more. Or use it on a non VW vehicle (virtually any
>> truck, SUV, van, etc.)"
>>
>> $150.00 8 feet by 11 feet. Hmmm... Maybe two of them ??
>>
>> Steve W
>> 1973 23'
>> southern California
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258691 is a reply to message #258683] Wed, 13 August 2014 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So how much are we talking about for a complete Zip dee, give or take a little ?

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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258714 is a reply to message #258691] Wed, 13 August 2014 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Espen,

Last time I checked it was around $1600 for one for a 26 ft GMC.

At that time I bought a used one for $400 or $500 IIRC.

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-----Original Message-----
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So how much are we talking about for a complete Zip dee, give or take a little ?


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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258757 is a reply to message #258714] Wed, 13 August 2014 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Rob

I think I have asked before and got the same answer from you,, Just to much on my mind I guess.

Ok just a little bit more than a A&E awning, I think the Zip Dee is better looking but you can not take the lower arms of the body like you can on the A&E right ?


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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258774 is a reply to message #258714] Wed, 13 August 2014 20:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I checked recently with Jim K. (about $2K - shipped to someplace near the US/Can border) and later talked directly to Zip Dee (about $2K + shipping).

I *love* to find a used one - but I doubt that's gonna happen...

At some point - I'll probably bite the bullet and order one. I've stopped using my Fiamma/Dometic "box" awning - because one of these times, it isn't going to wind back in... I love the simplicity of the Zip Dee.

Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath

On 2014-08-13, at 10:01 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:

> Espen,
>
> Last time I checked it was around $1600 for one for a 26 ft GMC.
>
> At that time I bought a used one for $400 or $500 IIRC.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Espen Heitmann
>
> So how much are we talking about for a complete Zip dee, give or take a little ?
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258775 is a reply to message #258757] Wed, 13 August 2014 20:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is a single 1/4" stainless steel bolt going through the lower mount. You could easily remove it if you wanted to but why would you want to?

The awning is extremely stable and I would not see a need to stake the pole to the ground. If someone is worried about running into the arm then just hang something on it. We use a little whurily gig hung on the awning end.

Emery Stora

On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Espen Heitmann wrote:

> Thanks Rob
>
> I think I have asked before and got the same answer from you,, Just to much on my mind I guess.
>
> Ok just a little bit more than a A&E awning, I think the Zip Dee is better looking but you can not take the lower arms of the body like you can on the
> A&E right ?
> --
> 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Mean Green Machine,
> And just sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel
> in Norway
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258777 is a reply to message #258775] Wed, 13 August 2014 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emery,

The bottom of the A&E is "foot" that is designed to be removed from the side of the GMC. It has two holes in it that you can stake
to the ground.

If you add a couple of cork screw tie downs at angle say three feet away from the staked base you have a triangular tie down that
will resist a hell of a lot of wind.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428

-----Original Message-----
From: Emery Stora

There is a single 1/4" stainless steel bolt going through the lower mount. You could easily remove it if you wanted to but why
would you want to?

The awning is extremely stable and I would not see a need to stake the pole to the ground. If someone is worried about running into
the arm then just hang something on it. We use a little whurily gig hung on the awning end.

Emery Stora


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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258779 is a reply to message #258777] Wed, 13 August 2014 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I already know exactly what a Carefree looks like and how it operates.

That is why I have a ZipDee.

I can't begin to count how many times I have helped other campers un jam their Carefree when they are trying to roll it back up. It seems like a serious flaw.

Emery Stora

> On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
> Emery,
>
> The bottom of the A&E is "foot" that is designed to be removed from the side of the GMC. It has two holes in it that you can stake
> to the ground.
>
> If you add a couple of cork screw tie downs at angle say three feet away from the staked base you have a triangular tie down that
> will resist a hell of a lot of wind.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emery Stora
>
> There is a single 1/4" stainless steel bolt going through the lower mount. You could easily remove it if you wanted to but why
> would you want to?
>
> The awning is extremely stable and I would not see a need to stake the pole to the ground. If someone is worried about running into
> the arm then just hang something on it. We use a little whurily gig hung on the awning end.
>
> Emery Stora
>
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258780 is a reply to message #258774] Wed, 13 August 2014 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just checked with a local RV dealer and they said $1400 for the awning and $700 for the arms. Plus shipping and installation.

Emery Stora

> On Aug 13, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Rob wrote:
>
> I checked recently with Jim K. (about $2K - shipped to someplace near the US/Can border) and later talked directly to Zip Dee (about $2K + shipping).
>
> I *love* to find a used one - but I doubt that's gonna happen...
>
> At some point - I'll probably bite the bullet and order one. I've stopped using my Fiamma/Dometic "box" awning - because one of these times, it isn't going to wind back in... I love the simplicity of the Zip Dee.
>
> Rob
> Victoria, BC
> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
>
>> On 2014-08-13, at 10:01 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>>
>> Espen,
>>
>> Last time I checked it was around $1600 for one for a 26 ft GMC.
>>
>> At that time I bought a used one for $400 or $500 IIRC.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> USAussie - Downunder
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Espen Heitmann
>>
>> So how much are we talking about for a complete Zip dee, give or take a little ?
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258785 is a reply to message #258757] Wed, 13 August 2014 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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I really like the A&E awnings some P.O. put on my coach. They act like old fashioned window shades. Pull the tab down, hook it on the hook mounted on the body and it's done. To put it back up, pull the loop out of the hook, and CAREFULLY let it wind back up. It CAN get away from you if you aren't careful!

To my mind, these are really the K.I.S.S. solution! They also slant downward at enough of an angle (maybe as much as 45 degrees) that I can't conceive of them ever filling with rain water.

They come down far enough that no direct sun shines on even the lowest part of the windows they cover except MAYBE 30 minutes at the most, sunrise or sunset. Unfortunately, there is insufficient body space for a right side dinette window shade. However, I bought some of that light and heat minimizing vinyl screen that I will eventually use to cover that window.

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> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0600
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: bimet@online.no
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings
>
> Thanks Rob
>
> I think I have asked before and got the same answer from you,, Just to much on my mind I guess.
>
> Ok just a little bit more than a A&E awning, I think the Zip Dee is better looking but you can not take the lower arms of the body like you can on the
> A&E right ?
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258786 is a reply to message #258777] Wed, 13 August 2014 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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USAussie wrote on Wed, 13 August 2014 21:09
Emery,

The bottom of the A&E is "foot" that is designed to be removed from the side of the GMC. It has two holes in it that you can stake
to the ground.

If you add a couple of cork screw tie downs at angle say three feet away from the staked base you have a triangular tie down that
will resist a hell of a lot of wind.




My A&E feet are just clipped into the bottom bracket. I can, if I want to pull them off with a quick squeeze of the release lever.
Then stake them to the ground.
I don't really see the need for that though. Maybe I should give it a try next camping trip


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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258789 is a reply to message #258786] Thu, 14 August 2014 01:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you get few people that want the arm less CareFree units, I can
coordinate a pricing that will be very competitive.
The armless units can present problems when a sudden gush of wind comes up
suddenly.
Almost impossible to mount it securely on the coach to avoid the leverage.
This Summer has been a busy one with the Zip Dee awnings. seems like we
have been quoting and receiving orders.


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Keith V wrote:

> USAussie wrote on Wed, 13 August 2014 21:09
>> Emery,
>>
>> The bottom of the A&E is "foot" that is designed to be removed from the
> side of the GMC. It has two holes in it that you can stake
>> to the ground.
>>
>> If you add a couple of cork screw tie downs at angle say three feet away
> from the staked base you have a triangular tie down that
>> will resist a hell of a lot of wind.
>
>
> My A&E feet are just clipped into the bottom bracket. I can, if I want to
> pull them off with a quick squeeze of the release lever.
> Then stake them to the ground.
> I don't really see the need for that though. Maybe I should give it a try
> next camping trip
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258795 is a reply to message #258789] Thu, 14 August 2014 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Jim,

That's a misleading statement about box awing mounting. It may well apply
to those vertical boxes for which people must fabricate adapters to
our GMCs' curved roof line. It is NOT true of the Omnistor as we installed
them. The "Dethleffs Premium" (a European motorhome) mounting bracket is
an aluminum extrusion which matches our profile. It provides full length
support for the "box", security to the coach limited only by how many
fasteners one wants to use.

As far as wind gusts, "armless" awnings are no more susceptible to damage
than any other with their arms positioned vertically. But ANY awning must
have the outer corners tied down to counteract wind forces effectively.

By the way, as fanatical as I am about guy ropes on my awning, I never
stake the bottom of the vertical arms. I've never had any problem with
them moving horizontally, and don't figure a 20 penny nail (which is about
all most will accept) will offer much vertical retention in wet soil.

JMHO,

Ken H.


On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Jim Kanomata wrote:

> If you get few people that want the arm less CareFree units, I can
> coordinate a pricing that will be very competitive.
> The armless units can present problems when a sudden gush of wind comes up
> suddenly.
> Almost impossible to mount it securely on the coach to avoid the leverage.
> This Summer has been a busy one with the Zip Dee awnings. seems like we
> have been quoting and receiving orders.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258799 is a reply to message #258779] Thu, 14 August 2014 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Emery,

I have no idea how a Carefree works as the awning on Double Trouble is an A&E. Since I have owned it (2007) I have never had any
problem rolling it back up, or unrolling it for that matter. It operates the same way as the Zip Dee and its arms are much beefier.

On occasions when we're going to stay in one spot for awhile I will unhook the arms from the side of the coach and stake them to the
ground. Doing so removes the diagonal arm and allows you to walk directly from under the awning out either end. Not that big a deal
but I thought I'd mention it.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
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AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428

-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:13 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings

Yes, I already know exactly what a Carefree looks like and how it operates.

That is why I have a ZipDee.

I can't begin to count how many times I have helped other campers un jam their Carefree when they are trying to roll it back up. It
seems like a serious flaw.

Emery Stora



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Re: [GMCnet] awnings [message #258801 is a reply to message #258799] Thu, 14 August 2014 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
emerystora is currently offline  emerystora   United States
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Please quit addressing these to me. I am not interested in getting involved in an argument over awnings.

Emery Stora

> On Aug 14, 2014, at 6:49 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>
> Emery,
>
> I have no idea how a Carefree works as the awning on Double Trouble is an A&E. Since I have owned it (2007) I have never had any
> problem rolling it back up, or unrolling it for that matter. It operates the same way as the Zip Dee and its arms are much beefier.
>
> On occasions when we're going to stay in one spot for awhile I will unhook the arms from the side of the coach and stake them to the
> ground. Doing so removes the diagonal arm and allows you to walk directly from under the awning out either end. Not that big a deal
> but I thought I'd mention it.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:13 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings
>
> Yes, I already know exactly what a Carefree looks like and how it operates.
>
> That is why I have a ZipDee.
>
> I can't begin to count how many times I have helped other campers un jam their Carefree when they are trying to roll it back up. It
> seems like a serious flaw.
>
> Emery Stora
>
>
>
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