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[GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258400] Sun, 10 August 2014 15:57 Go to next message
Mark Davidson is currently offline  Mark Davidson   United States
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Greetings folks,

I'm an occasional lurker on this list and need help/resources from the
community. I've been dealing with the fallout of a new engine installation
for the past year and I'm almost at my wits end. Last July 2013, the 455
motor in my GMC was making a loud 'pinging' noise on the way back from
Tahoe. Rather than drive it I got it towed back to Scotts Valley where my
mechanic at All RV in Scotts Valley determined that a crank bearing had
worn out and the piston skirt was impacting the crankshaft. It was time for
a new engine.

My first mistake was that I wanted the engine quickly for a planned trip to
Oregon at the end of August 2013. I called up Mondello Performance in Paso
Robles and Lynn Welfringer had smooth talked me into buying a really pricey
engine (Oldsmobile 455 V8) with promises of quick delivery, an easy install
and more horsepower. I'm sad to say other than the high price of the engine
Mondello didn't deliver on any of these promises. I missed that Oregon trip
and many others since then and getting this engine to run correctly has
turned into an endless sink of time and money. With every few thousand
dollars I put into it I seem to get a little closer to my goal of a smooth
running RV but it seems like a game of inches. I've done some short day
trips but I'm just so stressed at how good/bad it has been operating. I'm
at my wits end with this thing. Some days I just want to give it up but
when it runs great I genuinely love and enjoy this thing. I'm just hoping
that one day it's not going to consume so much time and money and I just
want to use it. Needless to say at this point I know a lot more about the
GMC motorhome and the internal combustion engine than I did a year ago.

I have used a number of vendors and shops in the Santa Cruz area and I know
who to trust and not to trust. Too many mechanics seem to use folklore and
address the symptoms rather than the root cause of a problem. I have been
given conflicting information from mechanics who have only a casual
understanding of mechanical problems. Once they are convinced that X is the
problem they tend to stop their observations. Also, many mechanics are
specialists and they tend to recommend products and services which are
their speciality. Many do not look at the part or problem in the context of
the entire system. Rare is the mechanic that takes a scientific or
engineering approach to a problem. Right now I'm working with a friend who
just started up his own shop in Scotts Valley and is an excellent and
detail oriented mechanic. He has an engineers mind and has been proven
correct in many cases. He also starts with the basics and takes a systemic
approach to auto mechanics. Finally, I feel I'm on a right path.

Yea, this introduction has been a little long winded but I've been holding
it in for so long. Rant over and done.

After experimenting with two different carbs (Rochester Q-jet and a Holley
4150), I finally got a Holley Terminator EFI system

installed and the engine has been running as good as it gets. The start up
(including cold start), idle and cruise from the EFI has been really,
really smooth. I'm really happy with it. My mechanic and I cleaned up a lot
of the wiring, getting rid of past mistakes, failed experiments and
rerouted the coolant lines. The engine compartment is a lot cleaner and
organized. Check it out:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p55534-holley-terminator-efi.html

My only challenge has been that there is no acceleration or power from a
stop or climbing steep grades. I've managed to hook up a laptop to the ECU
(engine control unit) and I read EFI data logs and set parameters. I've
been posting messages to the Holley forums and they have been really
helpful.

http://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?14795-Acceleration-is-sluggish-for-a-GMC-Motorhome

*My request: I'm probably looking for a Bay Area/NorCal Holley EFI tuner
who can help me tweak the fuel map. Also, looking for a recommendation of
an EFI expert who can understand the heavy loads of a GMC Motorhome.*

When these power and acceleration issues then the promise of this new
Mondello engine can be fulfilled and I'll rest a lot easier.

Thanks,

--Mark


73 'Glacier' 23' GMC Motorhome "Serenity"
Scotts Valley, CA
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Re: [GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258401 is a reply to message #258400] Sun, 10 August 2014 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhb1 is currently offline  jhb1   Canada
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Get an invite to Ken H's EFI forum on google this is strictly GMC related

John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
Re: [GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258402 is a reply to message #258400] Sun, 10 August 2014 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wally is currently offline  wally   United States
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Howdy Mark,
That thing should pull like a striped ape. Acceleration enrichment is transitory and it sounds like you are short after you are past that. There are two things that make the biggest difference AFR and timing. If you are not in the GMC EFI group you might want to check it out. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmcmh-efi. There are timing tables over there that most of us run pretty close to and most would say a 12.5 afr for high loads is what to shoot for. Was not able to see what you posted on the Holley forum. Welcome to the forum!
HTH
Mark Davidson wrote on Sun, 10 August 2014 15:57
Greetings folks,

I'm an occasional lurker on this list and need help/resources from the
community. I've been dealing with the fallout of a new engine installation
for the past year and I'm almost at my wits end. Last July 2013, the 455
motor in my GMC was making a loud 'pinging' noise on the way back from
Tahoe. Rather than drive it I got it towed back to Scotts Valley where my
mechanic at All RV in Scotts Valley determined that a crank bearing had
worn out and the piston skirt was impacting the crankshaft. It was time for
a new engine.

My first mistake was that I wanted the engine quickly for a planned trip to
Oregon at the end of August 2013. I called up Mondello Performance in Paso
Robles and Lynn Welfringer had smooth talked me into buying a really pricey
engine (Oldsmobile 455 V8) with promises of quick delivery, an easy install
and more horsepower. I'm sad to say other than the high price of the engine
Mondello didn't deliver on any of these promises. I missed that Oregon trip
and many others since then and getting this engine to run correctly has
turned into an endless sink of time and money. With every few thousand
dollars I put into it I seem to get a little closer to my goal of a smooth
running RV but it seems like a game of inches. I've done some short day
trips but I'm just so stressed at how good/bad it has been operating. I'm
at my wits end with this thing. Some days I just want to give it up but
when it runs great I genuinely love and enjoy this thing. I'm just hoping
that one day it's not going to consume so much time and money and I just
want to use it. Needless to say at this point I know a lot more about the
GMC motorhome and the internal combustion engine than I did a year ago.

I have used a number of vendors and shops in the Santa Cruz area and I know
who to trust and not to trust. Too many mechanics seem to use folklore and
address the symptoms rather than the root cause of a problem. I have been
given conflicting information from mechanics who have only a casual
understanding of mechanical problems. Once they are convinced that X is the
problem they tend to stop their observations. Also, many mechanics are
specialists and they tend to recommend products and services which are
their speciality. Many do not look at the part or problem in the context of
the entire system. Rare is the mechanic that takes a scientific or
engineering approach to a problem. Right now I'm working with a friend who
just started up his own shop in Scotts Valley and is an excellent and
detail oriented mechanic. He has an engineers mind and has been proven
correct in many cases. He also starts with the basics and takes a systemic
approach to auto mechanics. Finally, I feel I'm on a right path.

Yea, this introduction has been a little long winded but I've been holding
it in for so long. Rant over and done.

After experimenting with two different carbs (Rochester Q-jet and a Holley
4150), I finally got a Holley Terminator EFI system

installed and the engine has been running as good as it gets. The start up
(including cold start), idle and cruise from the EFI has been really,
really smooth. I'm really happy with it. My mechanic and I cleaned up a lot
of the wiring, getting rid of past mistakes, failed experiments and
rerouted the coolant lines. The engine compartment is a lot cleaner and
organized. Check it out:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p55534-holley-terminator-efi.html

My only challenge has been that there is no acceleration or power from a
stop or climbing steep grades. I've managed to hook up a laptop to the ECU
(engine control unit) and I read EFI data logs and set parameters. I've
been posting messages to the Holley forums and they have been really
helpful.

http://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?14795-Acceleration-is-sluggish-for-a-GMC-Motorhome

*My request: I'm probably looking for a Bay Area/NorCal Holley EFI tuner
who can help me tweak the fuel map. Also, looking for a recommendation of
an EFI expert who can understand the heavy loads of a GMC Motorhome.*

When these power and acceleration issues then the promise of this new
Mondello engine can be fulfilled and I'll rest a lot easier.

Thanks,

--Mark


73 'Glacier' 23' GMC Motorhome "Serenity"
Scotts Valley, CA
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Re: [GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258403 is a reply to message #258400] Sun, 10 August 2014 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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First Let me give you a quote from Dick Paterson, "90% of carburetor (FI) problems turn out to be ignition problems". I would be carefully looking at timing / advance issues if I had your setup and problem. After you are positive that these are correct, then go look at fuel maps, etc.

Is your distributor computer controlled, HEI, or a traditional points system.

I do not know anything about that Holley system but there is a separate forum of guys with various FI systems on GMC's. Ken Henderson (Colonel Ken) can get you signed up for it.

Finally you have good resources in your area in Jim Kanomata at Applied GMC and Manny Traveo (Manny's trans) in San Jose. I would be talking to one of both of them. Jim even answers the phone on Sundays. I do not know when he sleeps.

Whomever you go to, they need to understand a low rpm, high torque installation (the GMC) and not a racing engines which most are solely into. Your engine seldom if ever hits 4000 rpm and cruises at 2200 to 3000. Another resource for you besides the FI forum is Dick Paterson (Springfield Ignition). I'll get you telephone numbers for any or all of them if you want them.

Get the basics done first before you get into tuning the EFI system.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258405 is a reply to message #258402] Sun, 10 August 2014 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mark Davidson is currently offline  Mark Davidson   United States
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Thank you all for your responses. I've joined the GMC EFI list and I'll
work with that group.

Many of you have pointed out that it may be a timing problem and this was
something that my mechanic would agree. I have a GM HIE distributor and we
have determined not getting enough mechanical advance in the timing. I
found the link for the Dick Paterson ignition system (
http://www.springfield-ignition.com/gmc-motorhome/ignition/) and I'll
investigate that solution. If there is a GM computer control option then it
would work great with the ECU.

I have also worked with both Jim and Manny in the past. I'll continue to
work with them on this project. The problem is that in it's current
condition I don't think I can get over the Santa Cruz mountains into the
Bay Area so I have to address the power problem first.

--Mark


On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Wally Anderson
wrote:

> Howdy Mark,
> That thing should pull like a striped ape. Acceleration enrichment is
> transitory and it sounds like you are short after you are past that. There
> are
> two things that make the biggest difference AFR and timing. If you are not
> in the GMC EFI group you might want to check it out.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmcmh-efi. There are timing
> tables over there that most of us run pretty close to and most would say a
> 12.5
> afr for high loads is what to shoot for. Was not able to see what you
> posted on the Holley forum. Welcome to the forum!
> HTH
> Mark Davidson wrote on Sun, 10 August 2014 15:57
>> Greetings folks,
>>
>> I'm an occasional lurker on this list and need help/resources from the
>> community. I've been dealing with the fallout of a new engine
> installation
>> for the past year and I'm almost at my wits end. Last July 2013, the 455
>> motor in my GMC was making a loud 'pinging' noise on the way back from
>> Tahoe. Rather than drive it I got it towed back to Scotts Valley where my
>> mechanic at All RV in Scotts Valley determined that a crank bearing had
>> worn out and the piston skirt was impacting the crankshaft. It was time
> for
>> a new engine.
>>
>> My first mistake was that I wanted the engine quickly for a planned trip
> to
>> Oregon at the end of August 2013. I called up Mondello Performance in
> Paso
>> Robles and Lynn Welfringer had smooth talked me into buying a really
> pricey
>> engine (Oldsmobile 455 V8) with promises of quick delivery, an easy
> install
>> and more horsepower. I'm sad to say other than the high price of the
> engine
>> Mondello didn't deliver on any of these promises. I missed that Oregon
> trip
>> and many others since then and getting this engine to run correctly has
>> turned into an endless sink of time and money. With every few thousand
>> dollars I put into it I seem to get a little closer to my goal of a
> smooth
>> running RV but it seems like a game of inches. I've done some short day
>> trips but I'm just so stressed at how good/bad it has been operating. I'm
>> at my wits end with this thing. Some days I just want to give it up but
>> when it runs great I genuinely love and enjoy this thing. I'm just hoping
>> that one day it's not going to consume so much time and money and I just
>> want to use it. Needless to say at this point I know a lot more about the
>> GMC motorhome and the internal combustion engine than I did a year ago.
>>
>> I have used a number of vendors and shops in the Santa Cruz area and I
> know
>> who to trust and not to trust. Too many mechanics seem to use folklore
> and
>> address the symptoms rather than the root cause of a problem. I have been
>> given conflicting information from mechanics who have only a casual
>> understanding of mechanical problems. Once they are convinced that X is
> the
>> problem they tend to stop their observations. Also, many mechanics are
>> specialists and they tend to recommend products and services which are
>> their speciality. Many do not look at the part or problem in the context
> of
>> the entire system. Rare is the mechanic that takes a scientific or
>> engineering approach to a problem. Right now I'm working with a friend
> who
>> just started up his own shop in Scotts Valley and is an excellent and
>> detail oriented mechanic. He has an engineers mind and has been proven
>> correct in many cases. He also starts with the basics and takes a
> systemic
>> approach to auto mechanics. Finally, I feel I'm on a right path.
>>
>> Yea, this introduction has been a little long winded but I've been
> holding
>> it in for so long. Rant over and done.
>>
>> After experimenting with two different carbs (Rochester Q-jet and a
> Holley
>> 4150), I finally got a Holley Terminator EFI system
>>
>> installed and the engine has been running as good as it gets. The start
> up
>> (including cold start), idle and cruise from the EFI has been really,
>> really smooth. I'm really happy with it. My mechanic and I cleaned up a
> lot
>> of the wiring, getting rid of past mistakes, failed experiments and
>> rerouted the coolant lines. The engine compartment is a lot cleaner and
>> organized. Check it out:
>>
>>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p55534-holley-terminator-efi.html
>>
>> My only challenge has been that there is no acceleration or power from a
>> stop or climbing steep grades. I've managed to hook up a laptop to the
> ECU
>> (engine control unit) and I read EFI data logs and set parameters. I've
>> been posting messages to the Holley forums and they have been really
>> helpful.
>>
>>
> http://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?14795-Acceleration-is-sluggish-for-a-GMC-Motorhome
>>
>> *My request: I'm probably looking for a Bay Area/NorCal Holley EFI tuner
>> who can help me tweak the fuel map. Also, looking for a recommendation of
>> an EFI expert who can understand the heavy loads of a GMC Motorhome.*
>>
>> When these power and acceleration issues then the promise of this new
>> Mondello engine can be fulfilled and I'll rest a lot easier.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --Mark
>>
>>
>> 73 'Glacier' 23' GMC Motorhome "Serenity"
>> Scotts Valley, CA
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Re: [GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258429 is a reply to message #258400] Sun, 10 August 2014 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mrgmc3 is currently offline  mrgmc3   United States
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Since this engine has been apart and not really run right from the start, I'd suggest a few basic checks. Hand crank the engine over (by the crank balancer nut) until you get to top dead center (TDC) on #1 cyl. Check that you are at TDC by using a probe (thin scewdriver down the spark plug hole) to determine that the piston is indeed at TDC. Ensure that the valves are closed on #1 so that you know that you should be at TDC for #1 on the compression stroke. The crank index should be very near to "0" on the timing indicator. We are trying to verify that your crank balancer index is correct. You can check timing and advance with a dial-back timing light, but this is predicated on the assumption that the crank index is correct. The above procedure will verify this.
Once the above is accomplished you should check the base timing (in the 8-12 range) is correct, that the vacuum advance gives an additional 12-20 degrees (depends on year and dist) and that the mechanical advance gives about 20 degrees of advance. All three need to be correct and functioning for the drivebilty to be "right". The details of the advance amounts above are going to depend on your year as well as the compression ratio and cam timing of your new engine.
Switching over to EFI or carb, the basics of A/F ratio are the same. You'd like about 15:1 at cruise, 12:1 at WOT and with EFI there may be a timed enrichment add, so you should add another 1-1.5 A/F (10.5-11 total) after 30 secs at WOT to keep piston and exhaust temperatures under control. It would be a really good idea to spend a few bucks on (or borrow) a linear lambda A/F meter. I use and recommend Innovate motorsports. (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php) You'll need to have O2 sensor bungs welded into your exaust pipes near the header or manifold (1 each side). The above meter is about $350 and you can move from left to right bank and save a few bucks over the dual bank - dual readout system.
With EFI there are "transient" fuel functions, but you must get the steady state A/F dialed in before you worry about the "tip-in" transient performance. A PC with the graphing function and the A/F meter will help you dial in the transient function after the steady state A/F is established.


Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa 1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; PD9040, aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, Alcoas, 54k mi
Re: [GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258430 is a reply to message #258400] Sun, 10 August 2014 20:34 Go to previous message
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Also EFI systems depend absolutely on the assumption that fuel pressure is correct. Verify that the pressure at or near the injectors is what it is supposed to be.

Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa 1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; PD9040, aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, Alcoas, 54k mi

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Re: [GMCnet] Help with Holley Terminator EFI on 455 23' Motorhome [message #258467 is a reply to message #258405] Sun, 10 August 2014 19:32 Go to previous message
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Holly Terminator , if not mistaken should be used with the full electrical
distributor using the 7 pin module.
You need to program in everything.
Holly might have two techs there that understand the EFI, the rest are
carbs.
There are reason why we sell few Howell unit with distributor control and
the EBL drive.
It will do most everything he Terminator will do and you do not have to
start from scratch as we sell them ready to go.
Mark, I have the Holly Commander which is an earlier version, I started out
with the 455 table and took it from there with help from few of the GMC
people that are running the Howell system with the EBL are doing well.
I have sold few MSD, HOLLY, nd the Edelbrock to non GMC people.
The great thing about our system is that there are several GMC people that
are very knowledgeable about Howell system with the EBL.
As a rule, if our tech and I cannot find a solution we contact Ken
Henderson,Randy Van Wincle,and others.
They are available 7 days a week.
MSD and others ar only 5 days 8-5.
I have spent more time getting parts for MSD and HOLLY as no automotive
prts jobber will stock them as ther are only few around.
90% of the Howell system are available at any parts store as they are GM
parts.
Since the EBL is a self learning system, it avoids needing to tb reprogram.
However if one need to do so, it has what is called a WHATS UP diplay like
all the EFI kits.
I will be using the EBL system on my CAD 540 with twinturbos as soon as I
locate the computer harness Walt Hally did for me couple years ago,


On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Mark Davidson
wrote:

> Thank you all for your responses. I've joined the GMC EFI list and I'll
> work with that group.
>
> Many of you have pointed out that it may be a timing problem and this was
> something that my mechanic would agree. I have a GM HIE distributor and we
> have determined not getting enough mechanical advance in the timing. I
> found the link for the Dick Paterson ignition system (
> http://www.springfield-ignition.com/gmc-motorhome/ignition/) and I'll
> investigate that solution. If there is a GM computer control option then it
> would work great with the ECU.
>
> I have also worked with both Jim and Manny in the past. I'll continue to
> work with them on this project. The problem is that in it's current
> condition I don't think I can get over the Santa Cruz mountains into the
> Bay Area so I have to address the power problem first.
>
> --Mark
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Wally Anderson
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy Mark,
>> That thing should pull like a striped ape. Acceleration enrichment is
>> transitory and it sounds like you are short after you are past that.
> There
>> are
>> two things that make the biggest difference AFR and timing. If you are
> not
>> in the GMC EFI group you might want to check it out.
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmcmh-efi. There are timing
>> tables over there that most of us run pretty close to and most would say
> a
>> 12.5
>> afr for high loads is what to shoot for. Was not able to see what you
>> posted on the Holley forum. Welcome to the forum!
>> HTH
>> Mark Davidson wrote on Sun, 10 August 2014 15:57
>>> Greetings folks,
>>>
>>> I'm an occasional lurker on this list and need help/resources from the
>>> community. I've been dealing with the fallout of a new engine
>> installation
>>> for the past year and I'm almost at my wits end. Last July 2013, the
> 455
>>> motor in my GMC was making a loud 'pinging' noise on the way back from
>>> Tahoe. Rather than drive it I got it towed back to Scotts Valley where
> my
>>> mechanic at All RV in Scotts Valley determined that a crank bearing had
>>> worn out and the piston skirt was impacting the crankshaft. It was time
>> for
>>> a new engine.
>>>
>>> My first mistake was that I wanted the engine quickly for a planned
> trip
>> to
>>> Oregon at the end of August 2013. I called up Mondello Performance in
>> Paso
>>> Robles and Lynn Welfringer had smooth talked me into buying a really
>> pricey
>>> engine (Oldsmobile 455 V8) with promises of quick delivery, an easy
>> install
>>> and more horsepower. I'm sad to say other than the high price of the
>> engine
>>> Mondello didn't deliver on any of these promises. I missed that Oregon
>> trip
>>> and many others since then and getting this engine to run correctly has
>>> turned into an endless sink of time and money. With every few thousand
>>> dollars I put into it I seem to get a little closer to my goal of a
>> smooth
>>> running RV but it seems like a game of inches. I've done some short day
>>> trips but I'm just so stressed at how good/bad it has been operating.
> I'm
>>> at my wits end with this thing. Some days I just want to give it up but
>>> when it runs great I genuinely love and enjoy this thing. I'm just
> hoping
>>> that one day it's not going to consume so much time and money and I
> just
>>> want to use it. Needless to say at this point I know a lot more about
> the
>>> GMC motorhome and the internal combustion engine than I did a year ago.
>>>
>>> I have used a number of vendors and shops in the Santa Cruz area and I
>> know
>>> who to trust and not to trust. Too many mechanics seem to use folklore
>> and
>>> address the symptoms rather than the root cause of a problem. I have
> been
>>> given conflicting information from mechanics who have only a casual
>>> understanding of mechanical problems. Once they are convinced that X is
>> the
>>> problem they tend to stop their observations. Also, many mechanics are
>>> specialists and they tend to recommend products and services which are
>>> their speciality. Many do not look at the part or problem in the
> context
>> of
>>> the entire system. Rare is the mechanic that takes a scientific or
>>> engineering approach to a problem. Right now I'm working with a friend
>> who
>>> just started up his own shop in Scotts Valley and is an excellent and
>>> detail oriented mechanic. He has an engineers mind and has been proven
>>> correct in many cases. He also starts with the basics and takes a
>> systemic
>>> approach to auto mechanics. Finally, I feel I'm on a right path.
>>>
>>> Yea, this introduction has been a little long winded but I've been
>> holding
>>> it in for so long. Rant over and done.
>>>
>>> After experimenting with two different carbs (Rochester Q-jet and a
>> Holley
>>> 4150), I finally got a Holley Terminator EFI system
>>>
>>> installed and the engine has been running as good as it gets. The start
>> up
>>> (including cold start), idle and cruise from the EFI has been really,
>>> really smooth. I'm really happy with it. My mechanic and I cleaned up a
>> lot
>>> of the wiring, getting rid of past mistakes, failed experiments and
>>> rerouted the coolant lines. The engine compartment is a lot cleaner and
>>> organized. Check it out:
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p55534-holley-terminator-efi.html
>>>
>>> My only challenge has been that there is no acceleration or power from
> a
>>> stop or climbing steep grades. I've managed to hook up a laptop to the
>> ECU
>>> (engine control unit) and I read EFI data logs and set parameters. I've
>>> been posting messages to the Holley forums and they have been really
>>> helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?14795-Acceleration-is-sluggish-for-a-GMC-Motorhome
>>>
>>> *My request: I'm probably looking for a Bay Area/NorCal Holley EFI
> tuner
>>> who can help me tweak the fuel map. Also, looking for a recommendation
> of
>>> an EFI expert who can understand the heavy loads of a GMC Motorhome.*
>>>
>>> When these power and acceleration issues then the promise of this new
>>> Mondello engine can be fulfilled and I'll rest a lot easier.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 'Glacier' 23' GMC Motorhome "Serenity"
>>> Scotts Valley, CA
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>>
>> --
>> Wally Anderson
>> 1975 Glenbrook
>> Megasquirt 455 port injection science project
>> Omaha Nebraska
>> Greater Midwest Classics
>> GMCES
>> http://wallyandsue.blogspot.com/
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