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Fri, 08 August 2014 20:33  |
Dave NJ
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Hi,
I am looking for some opinions on my GMC motorhome project dilemma. Should I just pull the plug and cut my losses or put an additional $3k to $5k into the money pit project and get it on the road? I am not looking to ever get whole or make money but would sure like to get the motorhome off the driveway and maybe attend a GMC rally. I see a lot of nice pictures of GMC coaches on the club websites and would like to see some in person.
We bought a 1977 GMC motorhome last August. The extent of our travel over the last year has been about 8 feet back and forth on our driveway. The neighborhood has a betting pool on when the unit leaves the property. Those who bet "Never" are winning.
I have a total acquisition cost of about $8,200. My additional investment is around $2,500 to strip the interior down to the frame. There were many mouse nests hidden all over the interior and my wife wanted to be sure they were gone. We have also paid dues for FMCA/Good Sam and GM clubs.
The Bad:
1. The engine currently does not run. It did run prior to this past winter storage. It appears that no fuel is getting to the carb. Not sure what the problem is but I have been unable to find a fuel filter to check. I can turn the engine over if gasoline is put into the carb directly but then sputters out. Cad 500 engine.
2. The 6 tires will need to be replaced as they are aged out.
3. Probably needs another $3,000 to finish the interior.
4. Digital dashboard Gauges will have to be replaced on the dash as I don't think they are working correctly. Ex. Gas gauge always shows -1 even after I have put gas into the tank? Will probably have to put in analog gauges.
5. The 2 rooftop A/C will probably need to be replaced at some time.
6. Needs 2 ceiling vents as the old ones are old and broken.
7. Some strange items like 3 air compressor tanks (2 in the engine compartment and 1 in the back for the bags). Why so many?
8. Muffler/exhaust system sounds loud.
Possible Salvage value parts: Maybe $2K to $3K?
1. ALCOA wheels
2. Some sort of quad bag system.
3. CAD 500 engine looks good but would sure like to travel more than 8 feet.
4. Windows are all clear but do need some sealing.
5. Is there any coach salvage value for scrap metal?
Thanks for reading my frustration.
Did anyone else ever have these sort of start up problems?
Dave NJ
Dave Curtiss
Mahwah NJ
1977 ex-Palm Beach now "Jersey Ltd. Edition"
Cad 500, Quad Bags
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258224 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 20:49  |
midlf
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Dave NJ wrote on Fri, 08 August 2014 20:33
Thanks for reading my frustration.
Did anyone else ever have these sort of start up problems?
Dave NJ
Yep. Sounds about normal. If you look at all these items at once it will drive you nuts. Prioritize your items and pick them off one at a time.
If it was mine I would start by getting the engine running. No sense looking into any of the others until you can move it more than 8 feet under its own power. Pick your item and post details here and you will get a lot of good advise on how to proceed.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258225 is a reply to message #258224] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 20:53 |
lotsofspareparts
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Verify the fuel pump will pump fuel and then go from there.
One other thing to consider is to make sure there is more than 5 gallons in whatever tank you are trying to pull from. Some of the other posts I have read state that the last 5 gallons in each tank are unusable.
JM2C
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Money Pit Decision [message #258226 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 20:58 |
Ken Henderson
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Dave.
You've made the mistake far too many of us make: Acquire a GMC and jump
right into cosmetic upgrades without first making the coach reliably usable.
The biggest question at this point is, "What are your mechanical skills?"
From your frustration with the simple problem of a non-running engine, I
fear they're not great in the automotive area. That then begs the
question, "Are you anxious to learn?" If the answer is "Yes", we here can
probably help you get the coach on the road. It it's "No", now's the time
to either plan to spend a LOT of money, or lose most of what you've
invested. That $3k to $5k will pay for getting it on the road, but won't
go far toward making it what you (AND your wife) will want.
Your answers will help us to help you.
Sorry to be brusque, but I've been there and seen too many others there to
sugar coat it.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM, David Curtiss wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for some opinions on my GMC motorhome project dilemma. Should
> I just pull the plug and cut my losses or put an additional $3k to $5k
> into
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258229 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 21:26 |
lotsofspareparts
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The biggest thing when first getting my coach was to get it running and reliably driving.
I also had to throw a little bit into some of the systems (fresh water pump, black water tank repair and valves, etc)
All said and done, this was a coach that sat for 12 years..... was $3200, and that was me doing all of the work and that was just to get it to where we could use it reliably.
We will use it probably 1/2 dozen more times this summer and fall and will be doing our interior upgrades over the winter.
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258234 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 22:11 |
kerry pinkerton
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Ken Henderson nailed it.
That said, the fact that your coach has a Cad 500, Quad Bags, digital dash, and Alcoas says a good bit about it. Someone PROBABLY did a lot of work on it and it's possible you have a real jewel in terms of mechanical upgrades. You might even have a new tranny. If you submit your TZE number to the register, they can tell you if we have any history on the coach. I'd look for an aluminum radiator too. These things, like all old cars, need to be driven regularity or things quit working.
The first thing I'd do is see if you are still running the mechanical fuel pump. If so, pull off the output hose and put it in a bucket. Crank the motor and see if you're getting any gas. If you are, your carb filter is probably plugged up. . On the front of the carb where the fuel line goes in is a filter in a housing about 1 to 1 1/4" diameter and a couple inches long back to the carb. It takes a big box end wrench. BE CAREFUL with the threads, they are very fine and easy to cross. The filter is available most any parts store, as for one from a 77 Eldorado.
If you don't have a mechanical fuel pump, a PO converted to electric pumps and you could just have a blown fuse. You should hear a mechanical fuel pump running when you first turn the key. As others said, make sure you have gas in the tank.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258235 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 22:22 |
kerry pinkerton
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BTW, your digital dash is a good product and costs a lot of money. Don't be in a rush to chunk it out. It's probably just some corroded grounds or connections.
Do you know the name of the PO or any history on the coach? There are a lot of coaches that were built by real craftsman but as they aged or passed on, the coaches sat and sat and sat before the kids or grandkids just dumped it to get it out of the garage/driveway. Your coach has too many upgrades to be a lemon and while you can quickly sell the Alcoas, the rest isn't worth much piecemeal in unknown condition and the cost of removal and shipping eats into the prices/profit too. It's worth a LOT more as a mechanically sound driver with a stripped interior than a nice interior that doesn't run and is unknown condition.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258236 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 22:25 |
mrgmc3
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Dave,
Don't get frustrated. These are 35-40 year old "automobiles" that have not typically lived a charmed life (live outdoors, run infrequently, etc). You have to be a car-guy, rv-guy, GMC enthusiast or all three.
The good news on your coach is it has run recently so it is doubtful there is anything more serious wrong than a fuel pump, or ignition problem.
If you follow what I have done then you'll focus on mechanics first. I bought the '78 last September and have spent a bunch of time (& $) getting the running gear in order. Tires, brakes, hoses, belts, tune, A/C,front end, fluids and filters. Have not begun to work on the superficial cosmetic stuff as it is passable as is. Our goal is to get it into shape as a reliable traveler first and worry about cosmetics later. Once it is a reliable runner you can work on the "house" stuff as you have time and money.
I won't sugarcoat it. It has taken about twice as long as expected to get ours into good running order, so don't be surprised or down. It has to be a labor of love where you can feel a bit like you've made a "silk purse" out of a "sow's ear".
Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa
1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; PD9040, aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, Alcoas, 54k mi
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258237 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 22:29 |
thorndike
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Dave,
If you have the desire, the folks here are more than willing to step you through any question you might have. I am more of a cabinetmaker than a mechanic, but as I am handy with tools and willing to learn, everyone here has made it easy and enjoyable to work on the GMC. If you are able to work on it in your driveway, you are one up on me. My Home Owner's Association does not allow me to keep it in front of my house for more than a couple days at a time. This makes working on big jobs difficult. Having it in my driveway would be a dream come true!
The GMC is easy to work on as it is all mechanical, not computerized. Also, you have some high-end parts on yours, so you may very well have a great machine under all the 'dirt'. Someone put some money into it before you took it over.
Why don't you post some pictures so that we can get a feel for what you really have.
Bob
Robert Peesel
1976 Royale 26'
Side Dry Bath
Conifer, Colorado
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| Re: [GMCnet] Money Pit Decision [message #258241 is a reply to message #258226] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 23:19 |
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Dave
I paid much more for my coach and it does not have the upgrades you have. We are the third owners, had all the previous records, supposedly owned by a GMC dealer and I still wonder at times about the expertise and skill, or lack of of the mechanics that worked on it. Any reasonably good mechanic should be able to figure out the fuel issue or you can do it yourself with help from all of us on the web. Even tough our coach ran quite well we gutted the interior, new flooring, new ceiling, new carpet, all small $$ if you do it yourself. We replaced the stock air bags with a more reliable unit. Before we left for vacation to South Korea the fridge died, but that was installed in 4/88. We have done most of the work ourselves only taking it to a mechanic (Miguel) when we can't do the work or feel uncomfortable doing the work ourselves.
Cheers,
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
---- Ken Henderson wrote:
> Dave.
You've made the mistake far too many of us make: Acquire a GMC and jump
right into cosmetic upgrades without first making the coach reliably usable.
The biggest question at this point is, "What are your mechanical skills?"
From your frustration with the simple problem of a non-running engine, I
fear they're not great in the automotive area. That then begs the
question, "Are you anxious to learn?" If the answer is "Yes", we here can
probably help you get the coach on the road. It it's "No", now's the time
to either plan to spend a LOT of money, or lose most of what you've
invested. That $3k to $5k will pay for getting it on the road, but won't
go far toward making it what you (AND your wife) will want.
Your answers will help us to help you.
Sorry to be brusque, but I've been there and seen too many others there to
sugar coat it.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM, David Curtiss wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for some opinions on my GMC motorhome project dilemma. Should
> I just pull the plug and cut my losses or put an additional $3k to $5k
> into
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258243 is a reply to message #258222] |
Fri, 08 August 2014 23:48 |
glenn2726
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Hey Dave, join the crowd...we have all been there, I feel the same as you, What Was I Thinking..lol..If you take it one problem at a time then it isn't as bad, as was suggested get her running first..(maybe have someone get in that betting pool for you..) then work on the other things one at a time. I'm fighting a complete brake overhaul at this time, had the same no start problem due to no fuel, had to run new fuel lines to fix that, had a bad exhaust leak at the exhaust manifold, thanks to Mitch I got that taken care of and through all that some days I ask myself what I was thinking...lol..a friend of mine that I got the GMC from tried to talk me out of taking it but I felt confident I could get her going again..I even drove it home to his surprise. So, take a break then focus on getting her running by checking for fuel and spark. One of them is the culprit..lol..Good luck and we're here to help so just ask...Glenn
PS: It would also be easier to sell if it was running...
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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| Re: [GMCnet] Money Pit Decision [message #258246 is a reply to message #258243] |
Sat, 09 August 2014 00:00 |
Guy Lopes
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Remember that it is possible to eat an elephant. One bite at a time...
That's my GMC philosophy.
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
W6TOL
www.GMC-Guy.com
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Hey Dave, join the crowd...we have all been there, I feel the same as you,
What Was I Thinking..lol..If you take it one problem at a time then it isn't
as bad, as was suggested get her running first..(maybe have someone get in
that betting pool for you..) then work on the other things one at a time.
I'm fighting a complete brake overhaul at this time, had the same no start
problem due to no fuel, had to run new fuel lines to fix that, had a bad
exhaust leak at the exhaust manifold, thanks to Mitch I got that taken care
of and through all that some days I ask myself what I was thinking...lol..a
friend of mine that I got the GMC from tried to talk me out of taking it but
I felt confident I could get her going again..I even drove it home to his
surprise. So, take a break then focus on getting her running by checking
for fuel and spark. One of them is the culprit..lol..Good luck and we're
here to help so just ask...Glenn
PS: It would also be easier to sell if it was running...
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Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land Side Bath, Rear Sitting
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| Re: [GMCnet] Money Pit Decision [message #258248 is a reply to message #258246] |
Sat, 09 August 2014 00:57 |
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Wow Guy. That should become a GMCism. So true. That's the only way The Pig ever hit the road after 3 years of work. Cannot look at it all at once because it's too overwhelming.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 10:00 PM, "Guy Lopes" wrote:
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> Remember that it is possible to eat an elephant. One bite at a time...
> That's my GMC philosophy.
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> Guy Lopes
> 76 Birchaven "Orion"
> Sacramento, CA
> W6TOL
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> www.GMC-Guy.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Whitt
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 9:49 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Money Pit Decision
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> Hey Dave, join the crowd...we have all been there, I feel the same as you,
> What Was I Thinking..lol..If you take it one problem at a time then it isn't
> as bad, as was suggested get her running first..(maybe have someone get in
> that betting pool for you..) then work on the other things one at a time.
> I'm fighting a complete brake overhaul at this time, had the same no start
> problem due to no fuel, had to run new fuel lines to fix that, had a bad
> exhaust leak at the exhaust manifold, thanks to Mitch I got that taken care
> of and through all that some days I ask myself what I was thinking...lol..a
> friend of mine that I got the GMC from tried to talk me out of taking it but
> I felt confident I could get her going again..I even drove it home to his
> surprise. So, take a break then focus on getting her running by checking
> for fuel and spark. One of them is the culprit..lol..Good luck and we're
> here to help so just ask...Glenn
> PS: It would also be easier to sell if it was running...
> --
> Glenn W
> Topeka, KS
> 1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land Side Bath, Rear Sitting
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258262 is a reply to message #258222] |
Sat, 09 August 2014 10:37 |
Joe Weir
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Dave,
Lots of wisdom in the previous posts, particularly Ken's.
Jim Bounds once consoled me, as I was pondering the mounting expenses - and I'm paraphrasing from memory - "so what if it costs you $25k to get it reliable, where are you going to find something so unique, and well built, for that kind of money these days?."
Truer words have never been spoken.
From your description it sounds like you have a coach worth restoring. You are not going to find a better support group.
Get it running. There is help here if you ask, it is certainly worth paying a mechanic if you have to. As Kerry mentioned, even if you want to eject, you will be hurt less if the coach can be sold running.
You are not alone. I brought one home that "just needed a little TLC" - and it was against the wife's wishes at that, so I know the very depths of shame, adversity, and struggle... 
It has been an experience, but for all of the things I have had to attend to, I have a pretty good idea of the condition of the mechanics of the coach and will be much more confident traveling.
Let us know how we can help.
Welcome to the club.
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258264 is a reply to message #258222] |
Sat, 09 August 2014 10:53 |
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Dave,
There is a lot of valuable scrap in a coach, but it is still only barely worth the effort. The Alcoas are the best part, but they have to be the last to go unless you can get someone's old steel.
Diagnosing an old technology engine is simple and require not special tools. You have done half already.
Your pour gas into the carburetor and start it means that the fuel system is you immediate issue. So, Take out all the spark plugs (so it cranks easily). Pull the power lead off the distributor (it is marked and you don't want to fire an HEI without spark plugs). Disconnect the fuel line at the carburetor and crank.
If no fuel shows up, that is what you have to fix.
Do you have the books for the coach? You can download these at Bdub's site. As you have a Caddy in there, you will have to find and not the variations.
There is no part of the coaches running gear or mechanical systems that pone man can't handle and very few special tools are required. If you have questions, you already know where to get the good answers - fast.
When you get the engine running, put the old interior back in and use the coach. Don't start out thinking that it was wrong from the get go. Use it first, then decide. If the old interior is gone (I hope not), then get an air mattress, a portapot and a camp stove and go places. There have been some at rallies with little more.
I had owned my coach less than a week before we got to rally at Berrien Springs. When I asked what I should do with a newly received coach. I got only one answer - - "Use it, Enjoy it, then maybe change things if you have to." I got that answer from about an half a dozen people I did not know then (JimK, KenH - Do you remember?) , but I do now and I very much appreciate what answers that they give.
Other than that, keep looking at the schedules for rallies in striking range. Get to one as soon as you can.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Money Pit Decision [message #258267 is a reply to message #258262] |
Sat, 09 August 2014 11:00 |
James Hupy
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Dave, I am going to reveal to you a few facts that can only be self learned
after the fact. If you have the cleanest, brightest, fastest, neatest, GMC
on earth, and your wife is not on board with the idea, you are going to
have a long hard row to hoe. My best advice to you at this point, is to
attend a gmc rally in your car, with your wife. Make an honest attempt to
meet and greet the group and really involve your wife in looking at all the
features and upgrades the owners have incorporated into their coaches.
Share meals and libations with the group and have a great time. I assure
you that a "happy wife makes for a happy life" is an accurate saying. P.S.
it will charge your batteries as well.
Been there, done that, got the T shirt to prove it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Aug 9, 2014 8:38 AM, "Joe Weir" wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Lots of wisdom in the previous posts, particularly Ken's.
>
> Jim Bounds once consoled me, as I was pondering the mounting expenses -
> and I'm paraphrasing from memory - "so what if it costs you $25k to get it
> reliable, where are you going to find something so unique, and well built,
> for that kind of money these days?."
>
> Truer words have never been spoken.
>
> From your description it sounds like you have a coach worth restoring.
> You are not going to find a better support group.
>
> Get it running. There is help here if you ask, it is certainly worth
> paying a mechanic if you have to. As Kerry mentioned, even if you want to
> eject, you will be hurt less if the coach can be sold running.
>
> You are not alone. I brought one home that "just needed a little TLC" -
> and it was against the wife's wishes at that, so I know the very depths of
> shame, adversity, and struggle... :d
>
> It has been an experience, but for all of the things I have had to attend
> to, I have a pretty good idea of the condition of the mechanics of the coach
> and will be much more confident traveling.
>
> Let us know how we can help.
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
>
> --
> 76 Birchaven - New engine, trans, aluminum radiator, brakes, airbags, fuel
> lines, seats, upholstery, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were
> really thinking about us second hand owners...
> Columbia, SC.
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| Re: Money Pit Decision [message #258288 is a reply to message #258285] |
Sat, 09 August 2014 15:59 |
kerry pinkerton
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Registered: July 2012
Location: Harvest, Al
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SeanKidd wrote on Sat, 09 August 2014 15:00Dave,
I sent you a pm with my phone number...I'm in northern nj...I can help.
there you go Dave. This is what makes the GMC such a unique thing. The community is awesome. You won't find Fleetwood owners doing stuff like this.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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