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Another dirty job done [message #256517] Fri, 25 July 2014 13:35 Go to next message
kerry pinkerton is currently offline  kerry pinkerton   United States
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Another job I've been dreading is done. It took about 4 hours this morning before the coach was in the sun and it got too hot but all of the old (3/8 now 1/4") pads are out and replaced by 1/2" thick horse mat from Tractor Supply. Btw, that stuff is a witch to cut. Like John Shotwell suggested, I put a dab of silicon on each one to hold them on the frame...not that I think they would ever move.

The air over hydraulic jack from Harbor Freight was once again worth it's weight in gold.

I did remove the Ragusa step before lifting the frame. I did not replace or loosen the donuts at each end of the coach. We'll see how things go. They are really hard to get to and I'm not in the mood at the moment.

The only ODD thing was at the passenger rear of the coach, I REALLY had to lift to get the body to rise off the frame. Actually picked the rear tire off the ramp before it had spread enough to get the new pad in. Of the three pads behind the bogies, only one was present.

I'm expecting to be able to tell a difference. On the passenger side, about 5 of the 9 pads were missing completely and the other 4 were squished pretty flat. The last 3 in front of the door were gone and I expect my door might shut better now.

On to the next project...installing dual electric pumps and moving them and the canister filter to outside the frame. Running new vent lines. Mounting the fancy new vacuum pump. Oh, the new windows from Motorhome Enhancements came in this week also. Lots to do.


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: Another dirty job done [message #256526 is a reply to message #256517] Fri, 25 July 2014 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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Kerry,
I could not get the donut bolts loose, so instead I loosened the 4 smaller bolts that hold the donut pad to the frame. I bought some U shaped spacer washers and inserted 2 or 3 spacers on each bolt to make up the difference between the thin and new thicker pads.
You can't get those smaller bolts out of the donut pad, they are pressed in with a spline shaft to keep them from turning. That is why I used the U shaped spacers, I could just slide them in.

JWID


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Re: Another dirty job done [message #256531 is a reply to message #256517] Fri, 25 July 2014 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerry pinkerton is currently offline  kerry pinkerton   United States
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Well, perhaps I'm not finished.

This photo:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/4257/1257_p14837.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/frame-pads/p14837.html

Shows what appears to be a double stack of pads about in the center of the bogies. Is that right?

I didn't see anything on my coach and 'assumed' because of the frame doubler around the bogies there was not one.

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RF Burns] I could not get the donut bolts loose, so instead I loosened the 4 smaller bolts that hold the donut pad to the frame. I bought some U shaped spacer washers and inserted 2 or 3 spacers on each bolt to make up the difference between the thin and new thicker pads.


I like that idea. My air cleaner rubs on the bottom of the hatch just enough to remove the paint ans squeak once in a while. Lifting the front a little or so should solve that problem.


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: [GMCnet] Another dirty job done [message #256535 is a reply to message #256531] Fri, 25 July 2014 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Jul 25, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:

> Well, perhaps I'm not finished.
>
> This photo:
>
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/frame-pads/p14837.html
>
> Shows what appears to be a double stack of pads about in the center of the bogies. Is that right?

Yes, that is right.

Emery Stora
>
> I didn't see anything on my coach and 'assumed' because of the frame doubler around the bogies there was not one.
>
> Quote:
>> RF Burns] I could not get the donut bolts loose, so instead I loosened the 4 smaller bolts that hold the donut pad to the frame. I bought some U
>> shaped spacer washers and inserted 2 or 3 spacers on each bolt to make up the difference between the thin and new thicker pads.
>
>
> I like that idea. My air cleaner rubs on the bottom of the hatch just enough to remove the paint ans squeak once in a while. Lifting the front a
> little or so should solve that problem.
>
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Another dirty job done [message #256561 is a reply to message #256517] Fri, 25 July 2014 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Kerry,

The kit that the Curtis's sell comes with screws to hold the pads to the aluminum sub floor beams.

You might want to unbolt the donuts at the front and rear to see how much they more apart when you do so.

Regards,
Rob M.
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AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428


-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton

Another job I've been dreading is done. It took about 4 hours this morning before the coach was in the sun and it got too hot but
all of the old (3/8 now 1/4") pads are out and replaced by 1/2" thick horse mat from Tractor Supply. Btw, that stuff is a witch to
cut. Like John Shotwell suggested, I put a dab of silicon on each one to hold them on the frame...not that I think they would ever
move.

The air over hydraulic jack from Harbor Freight was once again worth it's weight in gold.

I did remove the Ragusa step before lifting the frame. I did not replace or loosen the donuts at each end of the coach. We'll see
how things go. They are really hard to get to and I'm not in the mood at the moment.

The only ODD thing was at the passenger rear of the coach, I REALLY had to lift to get the body to rise off the frame. Actually
picked the rear tire off the ramp before it had spread enough to get the new pad in. Of the three pads behind the bogies, only one
was present.

I'm expecting to be able to tell a difference. On the passenger side, about 5 of the 9 pads were missing completely and the other 4
were squished pretty flat. The last 3 in front of the door were gone and I expect my door might shut better now.

On to the next project...installing dual electric pumps and moving them and the canister filter to outside the frame. Running new
vent lines. Mounting the fancy new vacuum pump. Oh, the new windows from Motorhome Enhancements came in this week also. Lots to
do.
--
Kerry

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Re: Another dirty job done [message #256594 is a reply to message #256517] Sat, 26 July 2014 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerry pinkerton is currently offline  kerry pinkerton   United States
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Whew, got the double bogie pads in. Finding and getting to a jacking point was a pita. I assume they are doubled because the way the aluminum frame lays on top of the floor cross members. I used one of the old pads AND one of the new 1/2" pads which should be the correct height. Two of the 1/2" pads would have been too much.

I'm not going to screw the new pads in yet. The old pads had silicone on them and were pretty difficult to get out. If the new ones last half as long I'll be happy.


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: [GMCnet] Another dirty job done [message #256596 is a reply to message #256594] Sat, 26 July 2014 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Considering how many pads you had missing (for how long?), I'm not sure the
previous use of silicone is a good endorsement. You may be surprised how
quickly some of them can shift out.

Ken H.


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Kerry Pinkerton
wrote:

> ​...​
>
> I'm not going to screw the new pads in yet. The old pads had silicone on
> them and were pretty difficult to get out. If the new ones last half as
> long I'll be happy.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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Re: [GMCnet] Another dirty job done [message #256609 is a reply to message #256596] Sat, 26 July 2014 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most people use liquid nails and screws to hold those pads. I used "Gorilla Glue". I do not think silicone is a great idea.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Another dirty job done [message #256628 is a reply to message #256609] Sat, 26 July 2014 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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3m super weatherstrip adhesive works well too.

Todd Sullivan

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Seattle

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
>
> Most people use liquid nails and screws to hold those pads. I used "Gorilla Glue". I do not think silicone is a great idea.
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Re: [GMCnet] Another dirty job done [message #256646 is a reply to message #256628] Sat, 26 July 2014 21:20 Go to previous message
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So who sells donuts for mounts at the ends?

Larry Engelbrecht San Diego, CA '73 26' ex-Glacier TZE063V100319 03/07/73
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