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appie is currently offline  appie   Netherlands
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We did not have a internet connection for a while, but now arrived at Amsterdam campsite
We visited Peer in Germany on the way ( thanks Peer for helping with the telephone) and stayed in his driveway, showing off Olga to his wife and children

After changing the clutch on day one Olga behaved very well through most of germany.
The last 2 days coolant temperatures went up from 90 to 100 for no apperant reason Today i saw that on startup temperature went op to 110 before falling That must be either the new thermostat or the clock ?

Also very worried today as I find the transmission slipping: on a slope I can push the accelerator and rise rpm from 2000 to 3000 without a significant rise in speed? that does not seem right ?
( you all remember I lost trans oil after the engineswap?)
also she does not hold the coach in park

Please give me some wise words about this tranny bussines

Ofcourse oil is on level and not burnt


Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark
Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #255348 is a reply to message #255346] Mon, 14 July 2014 15:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Twinkie II has always gone to 100 (212 this side of the pond) before the thermostat opens and she settles in around 90-95, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Creeping when in park is pretty common as well, but the slippage you describe is not and should be looked into as soon as possible. I would recommend changing the transmission fluid when it is convenient and checking it carefully for any sign of shiny bits or other indications that it has damage.

Best of luck. You're a braver man than I to take on such a journey!


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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #255352 is a reply to message #255346] Mon, 14 July 2014 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello Lenze,
> [..]We visited Peer in Germany on the way ( thanks Peer for helping with the telephone) and stayed in his driveway, showing off Olga to his wife and children[..]
Sometimes people get found even without the black list ;) Glad you made
it to the Netherlands and I hope things will progress nicely. Good luck
and let me know re Aldi.

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #255359 is a reply to message #255346] Mon, 14 July 2014 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Appie,

Since you can apparently read 100*C and 110*C accurately, I presume you
have an accurate aftermarket gauge instead of the OEM joke. If so, I'd
just keep a real close eye on that temperature and not worry about it if it
doesn't go above 110*C -- much beyond that, you'll start boiling with
the standard 9 psi cap.

CRS being what it is, I don't remember the details of your transmission
fluid loss, so I'm not going to guess about your abnormal slippage. But,
the parking pawl problem is probably a simple adjustment problem.

Page 7-25 in manual X7525 gives the adjustment procedure. If that doesn't
correct the problem, there's a good chance you can repair it after just
dropping the pan -- the simple mechanism is then exposed.

I hope that's ALL you need to do inside the transmission, but slippage
doesn't sound good. :-(

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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:44 PM, lenze middelberg
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> ​...
>
> After changing the clutch on day one Olga behaved very well through most
> of germany.
> The last 2 days coolant temperatures went up from 90 to 100 for no
> apperant reason Today i saw that on startup temperature went op to 110
> before
> falling That must be either the new thermostat or the clock ?
>
> Also very worried today as I find the transmission slipping: on a slope I
> can push the accelerator and rise rpm from 2000 to 3000 without a
> significant rise in speed? that does not seem right ?
> ( you all remember I lost trans oil after the engineswap?)
> also she does not hold the coach in park
>
> Please give me some wise words about this tranny bussines
>
> Ofcourse oil is on level and not burnt
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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #255362 is a reply to message #255346] Mon, 14 July 2014 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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appie wrote on Mon, 14 July 2014 14:44
We did not have a internet connection for a while, but now arrived at Amsterdam campsite
We visited Peer in Germany on the way ( thanks Peer for helping with the telephone) and stayed in his driveway, showing off Olga to his wife and children

After changing the clutch on day one Olga behaved very well through most of germany.
The last 2 days coolant temperatures went up from 90 to 100 for no apperant reason Today i saw that on startup temperature went op to 110 before falling That must be either the new thermostat or the clock ?

Also very worried today as I find the transmission slipping: on a slope I can push the accelerator and rise rpm from 2000 to 3000 without a significant rise in speed? that does not seem right ?
( you all remember I lost trans oil after the engineswap?)
also she does not hold the coach in park

Please give me some wise words about this tranny bussines

Ofcourse oil is on level and not burnt

As others have mentioned the slippage is not normal, but you need to make sure that you get to the bottom of that immediately. Any slippage in those clutches will burn them up within a few miles. Are you sure it is slipping and not downshifting?


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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #255367 is a reply to message #255346] Mon, 14 July 2014 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would agree with Ken and adjust the park, If it is off that far you might have the selector between gears causing the slippage and not know it.



appie wrote on Mon, 14 July 2014 16:44
We did not have a internet connection for a while, but now arrived at Amsterdam campsite
We visited Peer in Germany on the way ( thanks Peer for helping with the telephone) and stayed in his driveway, showing off Olga to his wife and children

After changing the clutch on day one Olga behaved very well through most of germany.
The last 2 days coolant temperatures went up from 90 to 100 for no apperant reason Today i saw that on startup temperature went op to 110 before falling That must be either the new thermostat or the clock ?

Also very worried today as I find the transmission slipping: on a slope I can push the accelerator and rise rpm from 2000 to 3000 without a significant rise in speed? that does not seem right ?
( you all remember I lost trans oil after the engineswap?)
also she does not hold the coach in park

Please give me some wise words about this tranny bussines

Ofcourse oil is on level and not burnt



C. Boyd
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East Tennessee
Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #255371 is a reply to message #255346] Mon, 14 July 2014 18:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you are indeed slipping, you should get it repaired as soon as possible. Once they start slipping, it isn't going to get better and can fail completely with little notice. In other words, think of the worst possible place for the coach to stop moving....that's where it would be if it were mine. Murphy's law being what it is.

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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #255425 is a reply to message #255346] Tue, 15 July 2014 02:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I did adjust a few times seems she goes out of adjustment?

To refresh memmory Olga lost 5 liters of transfluid after engine swap ( bloody would be mechanic) so any problem will be refered to this.

If the Park not holding was the only problem I would not worry about that But I do about the slipping
I'll write Manny for advice




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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #256678 is a reply to message #255346] Sun, 27 July 2014 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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appie wrote on Mon, 14 July 2014 15:44
We did not have a internet connection for a while, but now arrived at Amsterdam campsite
We visited Peer in Germany on the way ( thanks Peer for helping with the telephone) and stayed in his driveway, showing off Olga to his wife and children

After changing the clutch on day one Olga behaved very well through most of germany.
The last 2 days coolant temperatures went up from 90 to 100 for no apperant reason Today i saw that on startup temperature went op to 110 before falling That must be either the new thermostat or the clock ?

Also very worried today as I find the transmission slipping: on a slope I can push the accelerator and rise rpm from 2000 to 3000 without a significant rise in speed? that does not seem right ?
( you all remember I lost trans oil after the engineswap?)
also she does not hold the coach in park

Please give me some wise words about this tranny bussines

Ofcourse oil is on level and not burnt


Lenze,

What's the news about the transmission? I hope it's good.

Carey


Carey from Ennis, Texas 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #256684 is a reply to message #255348] Sun, 27 July 2014 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Otterwan wrote on Mon, 14 July 2014 13:52
The Twinkie II has always gone to 100 (212 this side of the pond) before the thermostat opens and she settles in around 90-95, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Creeping when in park is pretty common as well, but the slippage you describe is not and should be looked into as soon as possible. I would recommend changing the transmission fluid when it is convenient and checking it carefully for any sign of shiny bits or other indications that it has damage.

Best of luck. You're a braver man than I to take on such a journey!


Creeping in park is normal???? As in the coach is moving with the trans in park?

NO. it is not. The parking pawl must be worn or broken, or out of adjustment per Ken and C Boyd.

Unfortunately that loss of tranny fluid and possible ingestion of foreign matter (thread shavings, whatever) from the botched trans reinstall may have caused eventual internal damage either in the valve body or pump. I'd drop the pan and take a look at the screen and the fluid for any tell tale signs of crap in the fluid. A flush may help, may not. As Bob mentioned, once those clutches slip, they are not long for this world...

I'd have it looked at it asap.



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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #256715 is a reply to message #256684] Sun, 27 July 2014 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chr$ wrote on Sun, 27 July 2014 08:08
Creeping in park is normal???? As in the coach is moving with the trans in park?

NO. it is not. The parking pawl must be worn or broken, or out of adjustment per Ken and C Boyd.

Unfortunately that loss of tranny fluid and possible ingestion of foreign matter (thread shavings, whatever) from the botched trans reinstall may have caused eventual internal damage either in the valve body or pump. I'd drop the pan and take a look at the screen and the fluid for any tell tale signs of crap in the fluid. A flush may help, may not. As Bob mentioned, once those clutches slip, they are not long for this world...

I'd have it looked at it asap.



I didn't mean to imply that the coaches are supposed to creep in park, only that after 40 years it isn't unusual for them to do so unless someone has kept things adjusted.


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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #256716 is a reply to message #256715] Sun, 27 July 2014 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Otterwan wrote on Sun, 27 July 2014 12:55
Chr$ wrote on Sun, 27 July 2014 08:08
Creeping in park is normal???? As in the coach is moving with the trans in park?

NO. it is not. The parking pawl must be worn or broken, or out of adjustment per Ken and C Boyd.

Unfortunately that loss of tranny fluid and possible ingestion of foreign matter (thread shavings, whatever) from the botched trans reinstall may have caused eventual internal damage either in the valve body or pump. I'd drop the pan and take a look at the screen and the fluid for any tell tale signs of crap in the fluid. A flush may help, may not. As Bob mentioned, once those clutches slip, they are not long for this world...

I'd have it looked at it asap.



I didn't mean to imply that the coaches are supposed to creep in park, only that after 40 years it isn't unusual for them to do so unless someone has kept things adjusted.


Yikes. remind me never to walk behind your coach on a hill! Laughing


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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #256731 is a reply to message #256716] Sun, 27 July 2014 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Appie you did adjust the trans in neutral right ? Leveler at the column in nutral, loosen the adjuster nut and set the trans leveler in neutral and then thighten ?

But slipping is not good as other have stated, is it only on a slope in third gear ? what is your stall speed (standing still in drive, brakes on and and push the pedal Wink )
I guess you are at the full mark on the stick when hot ?


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Re: Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #257023 is a reply to message #256731] Tue, 29 July 2014 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry folks dont seem to be able to acses the forum from my ipad and now back on the macbook
Situation is this that Olga has been at a transmission workshop for over a week now. It took a few days before there was time for her. now she is done but the workshop is waiting for some mounting part?
Expecting to get her back on thursday
I consulted Manny who said that a trans can not survive the loss of 5-6 liters of oil
Thursday I will know more about what was actually wrong
We rented a car and went of for a holliday of hillwalking in the Ardennes, Belgium. Not wanting to hang around and get frustrated.
Yes a other expensive drawback, but we are having a good time and expect Olga to be better then ever



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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #257025 is a reply to message #257023] Tue, 29 July 2014 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lenze,

this sounds horrible. I hope you two did have at least a great trip in
the mountains. If you can't access the forum from your iPad, why don't
you subscribe to the forum using your email client. That will work, and
it will allow you offline browsing and answering, without the need to be
connected all the time. Might be quite a bit cheaper, and more comfortable.

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #257070 is a reply to message #257025] Tue, 29 July 2014 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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there is something wrong with my password I am working on it
great time in Belgium
Good thing is We do not have any deadlines anymore Like I say : we have no time 1 or 2 weeks, it does not matter much, except for cost of the rentalcar and the hotels

BTW just found a great hotel in the netherlands, if anybody comes there: http://www.villa-augustus.nl/uk/index-flash-uk.html


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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #257074 is a reply to message #257070] Tue, 29 July 2014 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lenze,

should you need a new email account, I could set you up with
lenze@gmcmh.de - if a .de domain isn't too much of an insult to your
Dutch ancestors :)

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #257081 is a reply to message #257070] Tue, 29 July 2014 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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appie wrote on Tue, 29 July 2014 14:43
there is something wrong with my password I am working on it
great time in Belgium
Good thing is We do not have any deadlines anymore Like I say : we have no time 1 or 2 weeks, it does not matter much, except for cost of the rentalcar and the hotels

BTW just found a great hotel in the netherlands, if anybody comes there: http://www.villa-augustus.nl/uk/index-flash-uk.html


Looks nice. Sadly 98KM from Nijmegen, where we work for a few weeks every year...



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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #257083 is a reply to message #257081] Tue, 29 July 2014 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chris,
> appie wrote on Tue, 29 July 2014 14:43
>> [..]BTW just found a great hotel in the netherlands, if anybody comes there: http://www.villa-augustus.nl/uk/index-flash-uk.html
>
> Looks nice. Sadly 98KM from Nijmegen, where we work for a few weeks every year...
What are 98km for Americans?! Isn't that slightly less than the average
daily commute? :)

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga's Odessey Netherlands [message #257184 is a reply to message #257083] Wed, 30 July 2014 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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thanks Peer no offence, but my email is just fine

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