Synthetic oil in the Onan? [message #255183] |
Sat, 12 July 2014 15:56 |
bhayes
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I'm changing the oil in my lawn tractor and thought I'd do the GMC's Onan as well. Is anyone using synthetic oil in their Onan?
The reason I ask is that Briggs and Stratton recommends standard SAE30 for temperatures above 40 degrees, and 5W30 or 10W30 for under 40 degrees. They also recommend synthetic 5W30 to 10W30 for use from below zero to over 100 degrees. I like this option because I use the lawn tractor both to mow the lawn in the summer and clear snow in the winter. Briggs and Stratton mentions that the use of non-synthetic oils at temperatures above 40 degrees may result in higher oil consumption since the engine runs hotter.
Page 12 of the Onan manual shows SAE30 or 10W40 for temperatures above 30 degrees, 5W30 or 10W40 for zero to 30 degrees, and 5W30 for below zero. My understanding is that SAE30 is better for summer use due to lower oil consumption. But since we occasionally use the Onan during the winter in temperatures below 30 degrees, would a synthetic oil work better across a wider temperature range without the consumption problems of multi-viscosity standard oils? Any drawbacks?
Bryan Hayes
'76 Eleganza II
Salt Lake City, Utah
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Re: [GMCnet] Synthetic oil in the Onan? [message #255188 is a reply to message #255183] |
Sat, 12 July 2014 17:45 |
powerjon
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I run 10/30 Mobile 1 in the Generac I have in the coach. As I do not run the generator that much I change it every other year just for grins. I run my generator for about 30 min every 4 to 6 weeks.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Jul 12, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Bryan Hayes wrote:
> I'm changing the oil in my lawn tractor and thought I'd do the GMC's Onan as well. Is anyone using synthetic oil in their Onan?
>
> The reason I ask is that Briggs and Stratton recommends standard SAE30 for temperatures above 40 degrees, and 5W30 or 10W30 for under 40 degrees. They
> also recommend synthetic 5W30 to 10W30 for use from below zero to over 100 degrees. I like this option because I use the lawn tractor both to mow the
> lawn in the summer and clear snow in the winter. Briggs and Stratton mentions that the use of non-synthetic oils at temperatures above 40 degrees may
> result in higher oil consumption since the engine runs hotter.
>
> Page 12 of the Onan manual shows SAE30 or 10W40 for temperatures above 30 degrees, 5W30 or 10W40 for zero to 30 degrees, and 5W30 for below zero. My
> understanding is that SAE30 is better for summer use due to lower oil consumption. But since we occasionally use the Onan during the winter in
> temperatures below 30 degrees, would a synthetic oil work better across a wider temperature range without the consumption problems of multi-viscosity
> standard oils? Any drawbacks?
> --
> Bryan Hayes
> '76 Eleganza II
> Salt Lake City, Utah
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Re: Synthetic oil in the Onan? [message #255191 is a reply to message #255183] |
Sat, 12 July 2014 18:39 |
roy1
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I use the same oil as in the coach 15 50 Mobil one unless I go back to Rotella which is 5 40 synthetic
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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Re: Synthetic oil in the Onan? [message #255195 is a reply to message #255183] |
Sat, 12 July 2014 19:45 |
Bob de Kruyff
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bhayes wrote on Sat, 12 July 2014 14:56I'm changing the oil in my lawn tractor and thought I'd do the GMC's Onan as well. Is anyone using synthetic oil in their Onan?
The reason I ask is that Briggs and Stratton recommends standard SAE30 for temperatures above 40 degrees, and 5W30 or 10W30 for under 40 degrees. They also recommend synthetic 5W30 to 10W30 for use from below zero to over 100 degrees. I like this option because I use the lawn tractor both to mow the lawn in the summer and clear snow in the winter. Briggs and Stratton mentions that the use of non-synthetic oils at temperatures above 40 degrees may result in higher oil consumption since the engine runs hotter.
Page 12 of the Onan manual shows SAE30 or 10W40 for temperatures above 30 degrees, 5W30 or 10W40 for zero to 30 degrees, and 5W30 for below zero. My understanding is that SAE30 is better for summer use due to lower oil consumption. But since we occasionally use the Onan during the winter in temperatures below 30 degrees, would a synthetic oil work better across a wider temperature range without the consumption problems of multi-viscosity standard oils? Any drawbacks?
If there's ever an application that deserves synthetic the Onan is it, but it sure does leak if your Onan is like others
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] Synthetic oil in the Onan? [message #255198 is a reply to message #255195] |
Sat, 12 July 2014 20:44 |
jimk
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Since synthetic oil does not get acidic like the standard oil, there is no
reason to change it as often.
I try to use te same oil in the generator as in the engine, thus cary one
weight.
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
> bhayes wrote on Sat, 12 July 2014 14:56
>> I'm changing the oil in my lawn tractor and thought I'd do the GMC's
> Onan as well. Is anyone using synthetic oil in their Onan?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that Briggs and Stratton recommends standard SAE30
> for temperatures above 40 degrees, and 5W30 or 10W30 for under 40 degrees.
>> They also recommend synthetic 5W30 to 10W30 for use from below zero to
> over 100 degrees. I like this option because I use the lawn tractor both to
>> mow the lawn in the summer and clear snow in the winter. Briggs and
> Stratton mentions that the use of non-synthetic oils at temperatures above
> 40
>> degrees may result in higher oil consumption since the engine runs
> hotter.
>>
>> Page 12 of the Onan manual shows SAE30 or 10W40 for temperatures above
> 30 degrees, 5W30 or 10W40 for zero to 30 degrees, and 5W30 for below zero.
>> My understanding is that SAE30 is better for summer use due to lower oil
> consumption. But since we occasionally use the Onan during the winter in
>> temperatures below 30 degrees, would a synthetic oil work better across
> a wider temperature range without the consumption problems of
>> multi-viscosity standard oils? Any drawbacks?
>
> If there's ever an appliction that deserves synthetic the Onan is it, but
> it sure does leak if your Onan is like others :)
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> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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Re: Synthetic oil in the Onan? [message #255226 is a reply to message #255183] |
Sun, 13 July 2014 10:30 |
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Matt Colie
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Brian,
The Onans we have are so old that what they list has little relation to the modern world.
Years ago I had a lube oil analysis unit just outside my office door. The company program encouraged us to use it for samples from other than our test engines. What I found out in short order was that the little single cylinder air cooled engines I had were really tough on the lube oil. Both heat breakdown and blow-by contamination were about off the chart and one of these was a relatively low hour Honda. That convinced me right then that this was a good place to start my experience with synthetics.
What I have not seen in my coach's Onan or the Kohlers that do other things for me, is the hard deposits that I have seen in other engines that ran a synthetic (mostly Mobil1) and have had the head off to de-carbon.
Yes, most of them leak, but as a few have said, this is a good application for a synthetic lube oil. Yes, it is slow, but it can get HOT in that box and the combustion gas contamination will be a killer. OK, it is twice or more the price of dino oil, but if you can keep the Onan alive another few years it may be well worth the cost.
Matt - Whose Onan is now running ever so watch like again
bhayes wrote on Sat, 12 July 2014 16:56I'm changing the oil in my lawn tractor and thought I'd do the GMC's Onan as well. Is anyone using synthetic oil in their Onan?
The reason I ask is that Briggs and Stratton recommends standard SAE30 for temperatures above 40 degrees, and 5W30 or 10W30 for under 40 degrees. They also recommend synthetic 5W30 to 10W30 for use from below zero to over 100 degrees. I like this option because I use the lawn tractor both to mow the lawn in the summer and clear snow in the winter. Briggs and Stratton mentions that the use of non-synthetic oils at temperatures above 40 degrees may result in higher oil consumption since the engine runs hotter.
Page 12 of the Onan manual shows SAE30 or 10W40 for temperatures above 30 degrees, 5W30 or 10W40 for zero to 30 degrees, and 5W30 for below zero. My understanding is that SAE30 is better for summer use due to lower oil consumption. But since we occasionally use the Onan during the winter in temperatures below 30 degrees, would a synthetic oil work better across a wider temperature range without the consumption problems of multi-viscosity standard oils? Any drawbacks?
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: Synthetic oil in the Onan? [message #255235 is a reply to message #255217] |
Sun, 13 July 2014 14:04 |
Bob de Kruyff
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midlf wrote on Sun, 13 July 2014 07:05Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sat, 12 July 2014 19:45
If there's ever an application that deserves synthetic the Onan is it, but it sure does leak if your Onan is like others
Bob that's an interesting comment. I would think such a big hunk of metal running at controlled speeds and known max load would have a well defined oil need. What are you aware of that causes you to feel that way (leak comment not included in this question).
Heat
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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