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Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254514] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 10:13 |
glenn2726
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OK, I've about got myself talked into tackling the fuel lines...just have to do it when it is cool in the mornings..lol..Will be dropping the tanks in order to do it right and need to know where everyone got the correct parts for the fuel filler line and fuel filler pipe to tank hoses. One of the hoses from the fuel filler pipe is a tee and the rear/main tank has an elbow that attaches. Mine is the older style with the elbow being 2 different sizes on the ends. Some said earlier you have to cut a piece of hose to place on the tank and then put the elbow over that in order to get it to fit as that elbow only comes in the same size on each end now. What size are the tees and elbows? PO used some hose on the rear tank that had wire in it and tried to bend for the curve but I think it is collapsed due to the small space. Anyone found these parts locally? When dropping the tanks to replace all the hoses I suspect you unbolt the tank at the front (while supported by straps or a jack) then loosen rear and lower at an angle in order to get to the hoses or do you have to completely remove the tanks? Also any part number for the tank selector on the frame in case I need to replace it? Also if I replace the fuel line on top of the tanks with steel what size tubing did others use and did you just connect it to the tank fittings and fuel tank selector using a small piece of rubber fuel line with clamps? Is the fuel line 3/8 from the tanks to the fuel selector and then 3/8 from there to the metal line at the front and then from metal line to engine fuel pump? What about the fuel line to the generator, looks like 1/4 in the generator compartment, does that come off the rear tank 1/4 or 3/8 to the connector in the generator compartment and then 1/4 to the generator fuel pump (these sizes are all inside hose sizes)? Thanks for all your help and I'm only requesting this info so I can get it all in one place as I've read so much and have had replies from some of you guys but now the clock is ticking and I'm about done working on wiring issues..lol... Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254523 is a reply to message #254514] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 11:54 |
midlf
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As far as I have ever heard these rubber fuel system parts are only available from the GMC vendors.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254526 is a reply to message #254520] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 12:31 |
glenn2726
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Thanks for the replies, yep need the shade, it's gonna be hot.. I'm going to go to some of the auto parts stores locally and check on hose connections just for grins..but will probably have to order. Of course it is a specialty item for a 40 year old coach...Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254528 is a reply to message #254526] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 12:38 |
Guy Lopes
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Glenn,
I would hate to see you go through all of that time and trouble, only to
have to redo all or part of it in the future with the correct parts. I
personally know that Applied GMC has those hoses. Jim or Nick will be able
to set you up.
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/855
800-752-7502
You might even try calling today. I know that Jim is a little warped like
the rest of us and may be hanging around the shop. It's been known to
happen. lol
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
W6TOL
www.GMC-Guy.com
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Thanks for the replies, yep need the shade, it's gonna be hot.. I'm going to
go to some of the auto parts stores locally and check on hose connections
just for grins..but will probably have to order. Of course it is a specialty
item for a 40 year old coach...Glenn
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Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land Side Bath, Rear Sitting
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254530 is a reply to message #254528] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 12:54 |
glenn2726
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Yep, don't want any redos...lol...had enough of that when I worked building maintenance for the Post Office, I worked the 3 to midnight shift so had to fix what the day guys messed up...lol...Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254532 is a reply to message #254523] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 13:07 |
powerjon
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Glenn,
I just did a complete RCPRR (remove, clean, pain, replace & reinstall) on my fuel tanks and lines this past fall. I used 3/8” & 5/16” vinyl coated brake line and I used only SAE 30 R9 and SAE 30 R14 rated rubber fuel lines (3/0” & 5/15” for fuel and vent and 1/4” for the gen) . These lines have a poly inner liner that is rated for todays junk fuels that we run. There are several good albums on the photo site that show tank lines and fuel tank work. I used brass fittings for the lines and hoses and they are available at most good hardware stores.
The Fuel filler hoses, the 4” straight and 90 deg are avail from Jim K, Cinnabar and others, Jim had the best pricing.
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/859
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/567
Check the fuel section on his website for misc parts.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Jul 6, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Steve Southworth wrote:
> As far as I have ever heard these rubber fuel system parts are only available from the GMC vendors.
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> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for working on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254543 is a reply to message #254532] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 16:59 |
Joe Weir
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What JR Said. I just went through the same. You will have enough to chase down at the local FLAPS without adding the fuel fill hoses to it (fi hose clamps, deals on good fuel injection hose and polyarmor lines.)
Be sure to use a couple of wratcheting tie down straps to lower and raise the tanks - makes it almost painless. I said almost.
powerjon wrote on Sun, 06 July 2014 13:07Glenn,
I just did a complete RCPRR (remove, clean, pain, replace & reinstall) on my fuel tanks and lines this past fall. I used 3/8" & 5/16" vinyl coated brake line and I used only SAE 30 R9 and SAE 30 R14 rated rubber fuel lines (3/0" & 5/15" for fuel and vent and 1/4" for the gen) . These lines have a poly inner liner that is rated for todays junk fuels that we run. There are several good albums on the photo site that show tank lines and fuel tank work. I used brass fittings for the lines and hoses and they are available at most good hardware stores.
The Fuel filler hoses, the 4" straight and 90 deg are avail from Jim K, Cinnabar and others, Jim had the best pricing.
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/859
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/567
Check the fuel section on his website for misc parts.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Jul 6, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Steve Southworth wrote:
> As far as I have ever heard these rubber fuel system parts are only available from the GMC vendors.
> --
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> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254548 is a reply to message #254514] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 17:47 |
George Beckman
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glenn2726 wrote on Sun, 06 July 2014 08:13OK, I've about got myself talked into tackling the fuel lines...just have to do it when it is cool in the mornings..lol..Will be dropping the tanks in order to do it right and need to know where everyone got the correct parts for the fuel filler line and fuel filler pipe to tank hoses. . Glenn
Glenn,
I am not commenting on hoses as you have great answers, already. I would just say that after you drain gas, and drain gas and drain gas... be prepared for about 400 gallons to dump right up your shirt sleeve and run all the way up to your arm pit the second you tip a tank. I am just saying...
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254554 is a reply to message #254548] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 20:12 |
Joe Weir
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I disconnected the fuel line at the engine fuel pump, and hooked it to an electric fuel pump. When that was no longer producing fuel, when I dropped the tank I used the same fuel pump and put the hose in the fill hole to get the rest of the fuel from the tank.
Yes, even with all that, there was still enough for a nasty surprise when I tilted the tank enough.
George Beckman wrote on Sun, 06 July 2014 17:47
Glenn,
I am not commenting on hoses as you have great answers, already. I would just say that after you drain gas, and drain gas and drain gas... be prepared for about 400 gallons to dump right up your shirt sleeve and run all the way up to your arm pit the second you tip a tank. I am just saying...
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254559 is a reply to message #254554] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 21:08 |
Ken Henderson
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John Beaver, to R&R the rear (Main) tank, came on Friday to use my service
rack. He'd "drained" it before the 2 mile trip from his place, but could
not get the plug out of the front tank. I insisted that he re-drain the
rear tank before dropping the tank. The catch bucket contained about 3
gallons of fuel sloshed from the front tank's "reserve" (that amount below
the fill tube). Another pint or two drained from the fill tube when the
tank was lowered far enough at the forward end.
Ken H.
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Joe Weir wrote:
> I disconnected the fuel line at the engine fuel pump, and hooked it to an
> electric fuel pump. When that was no longer producing fuel, when I dropped
> the tank I used the same fuel pump and put the hose in the fill hole to
> get the rest of the fuel from the tank.
>
> Yes, even with all that, there was still enough for a nasty surprise when
> I tilted the tank enough. :d
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254566 is a reply to message #254559] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 21:31 |
emerystora
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Sometimes it is necessary to use a pipe wrench on the few exposed threads of the plug in order to turn it out. A small wrench works best.
That seems to work well.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
On Jul 6, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
> John Beaver, to R&R the rear (Main) tank, came on Friday to use my service
> rack. He'd "drained" it before the 2 mile trip from his place, but could
> not get the plug out of the front tank. I insisted that he re-drain the
> rear tank before dropping the tank. The catch bucket contained about 3
> gallons of fuel sloshed from the front tank's "reserve" (that amount below
> the fill tube). Another pint or two drained from the fill tube when the
> tank was lowered far enough at the forward end.
>
> Ken H.
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> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Joe Weir wrote:
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>> I disconnected the fuel line at the engine fuel pump, and hooked it to an
>> electric fuel pump. When that was no longer producing fuel, when I dropped
>> the tank I used the same fuel pump and put the hose in the fill hole to
>> get the rest of the fuel from the tank.
>>
>> Yes, even with all that, there was still enough for a nasty surprise when
>> I tilted the tank enough. :d
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254569 is a reply to message #254566] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 22:20 |
Ken Henderson
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John had replaced the lines on the front tank while replacing the floor so
we didn't waste any more time trying to get the front plug out -- didn't
even try an impact wrench.
Ken H.
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> Sometimes it is necessary to use a pipe wrench on the few exposed threads
> of the plug in order to turn it out. A small wrench works best.
> That seems to work well.
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254581 is a reply to message #254514] |
Sun, 06 July 2014 23:59 |
glenn2726
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I had no problem getting the plugs out of either tank, the main tank just had about 1/2 gallon of gas (old gas) in it and I think that was due to the PO putting a straight piece of hose on the connection to the fuel filler line instead of the elbow, so the hose collapsed and doesn't let much fuel in that tank. The Spare tank has at least 5 gallons in it because that is what I put in before driving it home. I couldn't get any fuel to the engine from there though so had to use a 5 gallon can of gas to drive it home. I have my coach parked with the rear end higher than the front so I think I have most of the gas out of the rear tank. I will have to pump the spare tank due to working constraints under the coach. Hopefully will have gas flowing to the engine in the near future. Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254603 is a reply to message #254514] |
Mon, 07 July 2014 08:48 |
glenn2726
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It's raining this morning, but cooler. I've been studying the process of RnRing the fuel system but as with everything else you don't know for sure what is what until you start dismantling. Then the surprises pop out. I think the fuel vent lines have long been disconnected from the canister, so will need to look closer at that. I did notice that on the main tank there was a plug or cap put on the hose fitting that comes out of the fuel filler side of the tank about midway, need to see where and what that was for (maybe a return line)? As this is still in the planning stage I can get this all figured out ahead of time..as with any project the hardest part is getting started..lol...Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254614 is a reply to message #254603] |
Mon, 07 July 2014 10:41 |
midlf
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glenn2726 wrote on Mon, 07 July 2014 08:48It's raining this morning, but cooler. I've been studying the process of RnRing the fuel system but as with everything else you don't know for sure what is what until you start dismantling. Then the surprises pop out. I think the fuel vent lines have long been disconnected from the canister, so will need to look closer at that. I did notice that on the main tank there was a plug or cap put on the hose fitting that comes out of the fuel filler side of the tank about midway, need to see where and what that was for (maybe a return line)? As this is still in the planning stage I can get this all figured out ahead of time..as with any project the hardest part is getting started..lol...Glenn
Glenn - this is a fuel return port for a very early fuel vapor separator. See here for an explination:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/getting-started/p24745-getting-started.html
The text from that picture is: "Here is a tap I've never heard of. I believe, from reading the shop manual, that it is a fuel return port for an earlier version of a fuel vapor separator. If it was on the reserve tank it would make a good port for a fuel return loop.
Found elsewhere is a picture of the very early style fuel vapor separator
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=13484&cat=4192
LH port goes to charcoal canister, center two go to tank vents, RH (partially hidden) goes to the nipple shown above. "
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254665 is a reply to message #254514] |
Mon, 07 July 2014 23:10 |
glenn2726
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Hey Steve, like I said you don't know what is what until you get started, that is interesting about that separator, I will have to look at the reserve tank and see if it also has that fuel neck on it. I don't remember seeing one but who knows. I will be glad to get this thing running off its own fuel tank eventually. I'm going to order the parts for the fuel system as soon as I crawl back under there and survey everything again, think I'll take pictures so I can remember what I looked at later..lol...I know I definitely need the elbow for the rear but I could swear I saw a rubber tee at the reserve tank inlet. Thanks, Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: Fuel Filler Tube Tees and 90 degree elbow [message #254671 is a reply to message #254665] |
Tue, 08 July 2014 05:41 |
midlf
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glenn2726 wrote on Mon, 07 July 2014 23:10Hey Steve, like I said you don't know what is what until you get started, that is interesting about that separator, I will have to look at the reserve tank and see if it also has that fuel neck on it. I don't remember seeing one but who knows. I will be glad to get this thing running off its own fuel tank eventually. I'm going to order the parts for the fuel system as soon as I crawl back under there and survey everything again, think I'll take pictures so I can remember what I looked at later..lol...I know I definitely need the elbow for the rear but I could swear I saw a rubber tee at the reserve tank inlet. Thanks, Glenn
On mine there was no such fitting on the aux tank. Main and aux tank, although made from the same stampings, are different. Emissions vents are in different places and the main has the fitting for the Generator feed.
Mine had a metal Reducing T at the aux tank. There are three rubber couplings on that T so it does look "rubbery".
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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