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| Dometic [message #253189] |
Tue, 24 June 2014 21:36  |
Chr$
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I found out the english translation for "dometic"
"Complete Shit"
My hardly used 4 year old dometic refrigerator died. I guess that makes the decision to swap in my once used norcold 641.3 to replace it for as long as it will last.
Gas? Check.
12V? Check.
110V? Check.
I really wish people in this country were willing to pay what it takes to get quality products that last, and so China would go f*ck itself, and I could get stuff that works and lasts. I am willing to pay more for quality. I have an expensive german vacuum cleaner, for example, a Sebo, going on 10 yrs with no problems.
Yeah that fridge was built here, but the control board is more than likely populated with chinese parts. Either way, cheap chinese parts or shitty american workmanship did it in, just like the Lennox heat pump on my house that failed under warranty, due to a bad solder joint that *I* found, but had to pay for labor to replace the "warranty" part that I could not keep.
I hate the fact I cannot get good stuff because they have to make it cheap enough for people who cannot afford it to be able to afford it... with financing.. so I can share the forest with them and where they run their f*cking cheap ass "Champion" generator at 9PM so they can heat up TV dinners and run the TV for the kids who make too much damn noise during the day.
Sorry to piss anyone off here. I am 100% american and totally disgusted with what this country has become and what we build. Too Bad japan doesn't build RV's and RV products. If they did. ours *might* be better because they have to.
We pay too much Goddamn money for land, which we have nearly endless supply of, and it leaves nothing for good products to use on said land.
Sorry, But the stuff I build is quality, lasts, and yeah, costs more. My lazy competitors build shit.
/rant off.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: Dometic [message #253191 is a reply to message #253190] |
Tue, 24 June 2014 21:48  |
lotsofspareparts
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WD0AFQ wrote on Tue, 24 June 2014 19:46The only thing I can disagree with is your language. I am sure that I am not the only grandfather concerned about our grandchildren.
Dan
I will second that,...... and will also add that there must have been a reason for the demise of your fridge.
Make certain you are level before you decide to turn it on perhaps?......
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: Dometic [message #253217 is a reply to message #253189] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 01:02 |
Chr$
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Just a bad day guys. Fridge is dead level.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: Dometic [message #253218 is a reply to message #253217] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 02:40 |
jtblank
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iChr$
You're 100% correct, if we don't get any "leaders" to right the ship we are sunk. Nobody fixes electronics anymore.... we just toss it out a buy more crap.
As far as your language been there done that and I had to chuckle, I instantly could sense your frustration. I read this forum with the expectation that I may encounter "adult" language, sometimes it just makes you feel better, momentarily. If I was offended, I would just go to the next posting, nobody is making me read these postings. I don't think many minors are, or should be, reading this forum so don't be shy.... let it fly.
John Blankenship
'76 Palm Beach
Tulare, CA
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| Re: Dometic [message #253226 is a reply to message #253189] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 06:57 |
jhbridges
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Busted icebox touched a nerve? :)
'Sorry to piss anyone off here. I am 100% american and totally disgusted with what this country has become and what we build. Too Bad japan doesn't build RV's and RV products. If they did. ours *might* be better because they have to.'
I remember when 'Japanese" carried the same connotation that "Heathen Chinese" does today. And I've seen some Chinese stuff that is of good quality in build and material.... and which costs as if it were. The hypercheeeep is migrating to Bangladeash, India, and the Pacific Rim. It is truly a world economy.
However, we're raising the third generation of 'Me me' Americans. Try this - you go into a store for a new TV. You're going for a new one because the world market has turned them into commodity items. If it hadn't, you'd see the Seiki for $ 395 and the Zenith beside it for $995, same size same picture. Which one will you buy? Either way four years from now it has a problem. The Seiki goes in the trash and a new one appears. The Zenith gets repaired and soldiers on. Except that so many folks bought the Seiki, there aren't any repair places anymore so the potential value of the Zenith is wiped out, which ends production of Zeniths and the employment of repairmen. And, so it goes.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Dometic [message #253227 is a reply to message #253190] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 06:59 |
midlf
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WD0AFQ wrote on Tue, 24 June 2014 21:46The only thing I can disagree with is your language. I am sure that I am not the only grandfather concerned about our grandchildren.
Dan
I didn't see any bad language. Just some strange punctuation. <GRIN>
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: Dometic [message #253228 is a reply to message #253227] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 07:27 |
djester
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"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."
.........Mark Twain
David A. Jester
Indianapolis, In
1975 Palm Beach
djester@comcast.net
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| Re: Dometic [message #253232 is a reply to message #253189] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 08:29 |
glenn2726
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Probably shouldn't own a GMC if not allowed a few expletives...lol.. Sometimes it helps to just let it out especially if no one is in hearing range...makes the broken bolt easier to remove, the scraped knuckles feel better and the bumped head on the overhead storage by the door feel less painful...lol..I guess it is just the caveman in us coming out. Luckily we have a GMC which is our Man Cave... Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dometic [message #253234 is a reply to message #253232] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 08:45 |
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The following is NOT aimed at Glenn W in Topeka, but is a general comment.
I understand the "sensibilities" perceived by some folks, but this forum/list is supposedly populated by adults and I seriously doubt that many "young children" are (or even should be) reading here.
Our recent big flap about religious beliefs, some of which were aggressively stated and promoted, took a month or more before most of those people involved learned a measure of tolerance and that the U.S. Constitution does NOT contain any "right" to never be offended.
Using a somewhat current expression, "Get a grip, folks!"
Flame away! I know how to use the DEL key. And I have never blocked anybody.
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:29:50 -0600
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dometic
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> Probably shouldn't own a GMC if not allowed a few expletives...lol.. Sometimes it helps to just let it out especially if no one is in hearing
> range...makes the broken bolt easier to remove, the scraped knuckles feel better and the bumped head on the overhead storage by the door feel less
> painful...lol..I guess it is just the caveman in us coming out. Luckily we have a GMC which is our Man Cave... Glenn
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> Glenn W
> Topeka, KS
> 1974 GMC 26 ft. Desert Sand
> Side Bath
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| Re: Dometic [message #253235 is a reply to message #253217] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 09:03 |
jhb1
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Still running my Dometic that I put a new cooling unit in when I bought the coach 12 years ago.. I got the cooling unit install by an Amish fellow in Elkhart.
P.S. Mine says Made in Sweden on the door
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: Dometic [message #253237 is a reply to message #253189] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 09:12 |
Chr$
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I buy the Zenith.
The SEBO vacuum was $750. It was sitting next to a $150 Hoover. It still works, including the feature which raises and lowers it between carpet and tile. I'm sure the hoover would be long dead. I did also buy it in a local vacuum shop that has been here since I was a kid, and oddly, moved here when we did from Park Ridge, IL. I probably paid $100 more than I could have, but I help keep a neighbor (whom I don't know) in business.
My German built $1,200 Whirlpool Duet washer is now 12 years old, I did have to replace the motor controller, but that was when it was 10 years old. The canadian built matching dryer still works, but then it's a dryer. not much going on there.
I replaced my maytag dishwasher after only a couple of years because the tub warped and leaked. The high priced Kitchen Aid is now going on 7 years.
You get what you pay for, if you shop smartly.
I prefer to fix things (Luckily I can do this my self most times), but a higher quality product will last longer and give better service. It's no fun having something break just when you need it. It is a PITA to have to deal with it. I kept a 1994 vintage 40" Mitsubishi CRT (largest one ever made) alive until 2012. When it did start acting up in 2006, All it took was a couple of hours of time and $5 in new capacitors on the sound card. That was when it was 12 years old. In contrast, a chinese built "westinghouse" branded LCD needed the same repair at 13 months.
We really need to do a better job as a country of consumers to demand better, and not fall for the cheap crap. I know, Preaching to the choir, and the largest chunk of the population would rather wait in line to save $50 on a cheap no name brand TV at walmart.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: Dometic [message #253242 is a reply to message #253189] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 10:15 |
glenn2726
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Hey Chr$, like you I tend to make repairs to everything instead of throw it out. That's one of the reasons I got this GMC. It was unwanted and just sitting there all alone looking lonely. She's slowly coming back to life. I have repaired many a tv and satellite receivers and dvd and bluray players with the dreaded cheap capacitors that are being used nowadays. Years past the manufacturer would have taken care of this, now all you get is a TailLight Warranty. I bought the wife a Dyson vacuum and all it needed was a belt. Are they worth the $400+...cost of great marketing. However it was worth the $50 I paid for it. What gets me is finding out parts aren't available to fix an item, want you to either replace a whole board or buy a new one. Troubleshoot the board and fix it...if you can find a part. My 40 year old fridge in the GMC is still getting cold...who knows how much longer but I will put it on life support if necessary...lol.. I have had several of the other refrigerators in other campers I owned and some were a pain to troubleshoot, the most recent was working great, then went out and found out it was hot inside fridge , ended up being the on/off/humidity switch in the center between doors was bad...took a while to find that problem. The greatest invention has been the computer and internet...on the internet we can find anything we need and best of all get help in repairing something that someone else has done, all with just the click of a few buttons...So No Aiming...lol...Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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| Re: Dometic [message #253246 is a reply to message #253189] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 10:52 |
roy1
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Bummer when did they start making Dometic refrigerators here or in China? My 14 year old Dometic Americana has been my best yet but it was made in Sweden.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dometic [message #253248 is a reply to message #253237] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 11:19 |
Rob
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I can't recall the last time I saw something with "Zenith" branding - but if you find one and it's better quality, that's because it's Korean!
Zenith hasn't been North American for close to 20 years...
I worked in electronics manufacturing for 20 years and am really sorry that we have no manufacturing capability any more - but that's how everybody wanted it! People want cell phones for free, 60" HDTV's for $500 and cars that are cheap and don't break down. The unwashed masses voted with their wallets...
It seems silly to complain about it now. People should have been doing something about it in 80's & early 90's...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-06-25, at 7:12 AM, Chris Choffat wrote:
> I buy the Zenith.
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> The SEBO vacuum was $750. It was sitting next to a $150 Hoover. It still works, including the feature which raises and lowers it between carpet and
> tile. I'm sure the hoover would be long dead. I did also buy it in a local vacuum shop that has been here since I was a kid, and oddly, moved here
> when we did from Park Ridge, IL. I probably paid $100 more than I could have, but I help keep a neighbor (whom I don't know) in business.
>
> My German built $1,200 Whirlpool Duet washer is now 12 years old, I did have to replace the motor controller, but that was when it was 10 years old.
> The canadian built matching dryer still works, but then it's a dryer. not much going on there.
>
> I replaced my maytag dishwasher after only a couple of years because the tub warped and leaked. The high priced Kitchen Aid is now going on 7 years.
>
> You get what you pay for, if you shop smartly.
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> I prefer to fix things (Luckily I can do this my self most times), but a higher quality product will last longer and give better service. It's no fun
> having something break just when you need it. It is a PITA to have to deal with it. I kept a 1994 vintage 40" Mitsubishi CRT (largest one ever made)
> alive until 2012. When it did start acting up in 2006, All it took was a couple of hours of time and $5 in new capacitors on the sound card. That was
> when it was 12 years old. In contrast, a chinese built "westinghouse" branded LCD needed the same repair at 13 months.
>
> We really need to do a better job as a country of consumers to demand better, and not fall for the cheap crap. I know, Preaching to the choir, and the
> largest chunk of the population would rather wait in line to save $50 on a cheap no name brand TV at walmart.
>
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> -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
> Scottsdale, AZ
> 77 Ex-Kingsley Featuring: 455, Power Drive, 3:21, Rockwell, Jim B QJET, Qbag. Now for Sale
> 2010 Nomad 24 Ft Travel Trailer
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> Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
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| Re: Dometic [message #253251 is a reply to message #253249] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 12:58 |
Otterwan
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There are still some good products out there. All my oceanographic instruments are made here, albeit with some foreign components. Some of them are going on 30 years old and still work. All can be repaired here as well.
I don't really think the problem is cheap goods. There have always been cheap goods. I think people nowadays are more willing to buy cheap goods, especially when they are so cheap that it makes no sense to repair what you have. When you can buy a blue ray player for $100, how can you justify paying someone $60 an hour to trouble shoot and repair it?
On the bright side, you can access all the knowledge of the world from a tiny device that fits in your pocket. You don't have to worry about cholera, yellow fever, rubella, and most of their friends. Your car, whether Japanese, Chinese, American, or other will likely go 100,000 miles without even a tuneup. And you will probably live 10% longer than your parents.
The toast doesn't always land butter side down, some days it just seems that way.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: Dometic [message #253253 is a reply to message #253251] |
Wed, 25 June 2014 13:13 |
Chr$
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Exactly, There are some diamonds in the rough, but too many people happy with coal so we get fewer diamonds.
Repair costs are high because the cost of living due to high land costs are high. Emmet's fix it shop can no longer stay in business. Parts are cheap, albiet sometimes not available (some of these caps are not even labeled anymore, or they are cryptic and there is no cross reference). but yeah, that snap together $100 blue ray player is made to toss when it dies in a year.
On the switch mentioned a few posts ago, I thought possibly that may have something to do with it, as the freezer door did open in transit (heavy bottle of vodka did that probably) and I thought perhaps it hit that switch on it's way to falling into the kayak on the floor, but the light also does not come on even with 12V and 110V at the proper connections. I have not opened the control PCB housing yet. This is a real bummer, as I was going to have a "cool-off" between the norcold and the dometic to see which one was colder in our 105* heat. My seat of the pants tells me the norcold was better, as the dometic doesn't seem to keep things cold. It DOES NOT keep Beer properly cold. The Norcold did, IIRC.
One other problem with this unit is the cheesy plastic holder for the temp sensor, I managed to get it to stop sliding down the fin (warmer) but now it pops out of the holder. Need more glue for this If I decide to fix this unit at all.
This weekend's project will be to swap in the Norcold 641.3 and modify the nice cabinet panels to fit it's slightly wider but shorter bezel frame. Luckily the power center is just below this so adding the heavier circuit will be easy. I guess I cannot use that extra 30A ckt for my planned viar air compressor install now. It will need to go on the auxiliary panel I need to install now.
Otterwan wrote on Wed, 25 June 2014 10:58There are still some good products out there. All my oceanographic instruments are made here, albeit with some foreign components. Some of them are going on 30 years old and still work. All can be repaired here as well.
I don't really think the problem is cheap goods. There have always been cheap goods. I think people nowadays are more willing to buy cheap goods, especially when they are so cheap that it makes no sense to repair what you have. When you can buy a blue ray player for $100, how can you justify paying someone $60 an hour to trouble shoot and repair it?
On the bright side, you can access all the knowledge of the world from a tiny device that fits in your pocket. You don't have to worry about cholera, yellow fever, rubella, and most of their friends. Your car, whether Japanese, Chinese, American, or other will likely go 100,000 miles without even a tuneup. And you will probably live 10% longer than your parents.
The toast doesn't always land butter side down, some days it just seems that way.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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