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[GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252965] Sun, 22 June 2014 20:12 Go to next message
Daniel DeLuca is currently offline  Daniel DeLuca   United States
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We got the 78 Elegaza II delivered on friday. We know a little more about the motorhome at this point. We purchased from the salvation army but the motorhome was still at the original owner’s house. He purchased the new back in 78 and has taken it on a grand total of 4 trips over the years. It has 13,500 miles. He maintained the motorhome until 2008 when his failing health left it more or left abandoned in the driveway. He has kept all the documentation and has two maintenance manuals. He also has two huge binder full of GMC motorhome newsletters neatly filed away. Neat stuff.

Anyway started putting the coach up on stands today to work on it. It has the original jack with the chain hook. After I got one of the rear sides up the jack started leaking badly around its base. I have access to a quality floor jack but I wonder if any of you know if the original jack can be repaired, the bracket is really low to the ground when the suspension is empty.

For those who are interested here are some pictures of us cleaning up the rig.

http://imgur.com/gallery/8nzTo

Dan
Allentown NJ
78 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252967 is a reply to message #252965] Sun, 22 June 2014 20:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cool pics! Can we assume that it had been facing east all of those years?
Haha

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We got the 78 Elegaza II delivered on friday. We know a little more about
the motorhome at this point. We purchased from the salvation army but the
motorhome was still at the original owner's house. He purchased the new
back in 78 and has taken it on a grand total of 4 trips over the years. It
has 13,500 miles. He maintained the motorhome until 2008 when his failing
health left it more or left abandoned in the driveway. He has kept all the
documentation and has two maintenance manuals. He also has two huge binder
full of GMC motorhome newsletters neatly filed away. Neat stuff.

Anyway started putting the coach up on stands today to work on it. It has
the original jack with the chain hook. After I got one of the rear sides up
the jack started leaking badly around its base. I have access to a quality
floor jack but I wonder if any of you know if the original jack can be
repaired, the bracket is really low to the ground when the suspension is
empty.

For those who are interested here are some pictures of us cleaning up the
rig.

http://imgur.com/gallery/8nzTo

Dan
Allentown NJ
78 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252968 is a reply to message #252965] Sun, 22 June 2014 20:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
powerjon is currently offline  powerjon   United States
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Dan,
The OEM chain/bottle jack is really not a very good and not really safe to use, you need to get a couple low profile bottle jacks 6 to 12 ton in size.


The coach needs to be jacked from both sides evenly. You can crack or pop the windshields if you're not careful. If you have a large floor jack
3 or 4 ton you can use it in the middle of the front cross member and lift the coach. I use two 3 ton floor jacks on the frame just back of the from wheels and 2 bottle jacks in the back to lift my coach evenly. By chance did the PO have some jack pads to use on the rear bogies?
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1103
Like this or similar. Safest way to lift the back. DO NOT get under coach without using jack stands or blocking up the coach with wood cribbing.
http://gmcmotorhome.info/rear.html#hook
or
http://gmcwsproducts.blogspot.com/2006/04/jack-hooks.html
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

On Jun 22, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Daniel DeLuca wrote:

> We got the 78 Elegaza II delivered on friday. We know a little more about the motorhome at this point. We purchased from the salvation army but the motorhome was still at the original owner’s house. He purchased the new back in 78 and has taken it on a grand total of 4 trips over the years. It has 13,500 miles. He maintained the motorhome until 2008 when his failing health left it more or left abandoned in the driveway. He has kept all the documentation and has two maintenance manuals. He also has two huge binder full of GMC motorhome newsletters neatly filed away. Neat stuff.
>
> Anyway started putting the coach up on stands today to work on it. It has the original jack with the chain hook. After I got one of the rear sides up the jack started leaking badly around its base. I have access to a quality floor jack but I wonder if any of you know if the original jack can be repaired, the bracket is really low to the ground when the suspension is empty.
>
> For those who are interested here are some pictures of us cleaning up the rig.
>
> http://imgur.com/gallery/8nzTo
>
> Dan
> Allentown NJ
> 78 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252969 is a reply to message #252965] Sun, 22 June 2014 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Danny, Looking at your posts, It is more than possible that you have a treasure here...
The power wash sequence is a riot. I have a 78 PB that has been completely re done.
She is beautiful, but what you have is special...
We all look forward to what you will do with her.
Keep sending your photos...




















Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252970 is a reply to message #252968] Sun, 22 June 2014 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Awesome guy. Thanks for coming by with pictures. Keep us up to date when you can.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252971 is a reply to message #252965] Sun, 22 June 2014 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Daniel DeLuca wrote on Sun, 22 June 2014 20:12
We got the 78 Elegaza II delivered on friday. We know a little more about the motorhome at this point. We purchased from the salvation army but the motorhome was still at the original owner's house. He purchased the new back in 78 and has taken it on a grand total of 4 trips over the years. It has 13,500 miles. He maintained the motorhome until 2008 when his failing health left it more or left abandoned in the driveway. He has kept all the documentation and has two maintenance manuals. He also has two huge binder full of GMC motorhome newsletters neatly filed away. Neat stuff.

Anyway started putting the coach up on stands today to work on it. It has the original jack with the chain hook. After I got one of the rear sides up the jack started leaking badly around its base. I have access to a quality floor jack but I wonder if any of you know if the original jack can be repaired, the bracket is really low to the ground when the suspension is empty.

For those who are interested here are some pictures of us cleaning up the rig.

http://imgur.com/gallery/8nzTo

Dan
Allentown NJ
78 Eleganza II
Make sure you put the jackstands where they will not bend the frame. If you need help on that, post back here.
Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252972 is a reply to message #252965] Sun, 22 June 2014 20:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dan,
I got the two stage stubby bottle jack and jacking hook from Jim K at Applied GMC. It works really great for jacking the rear of the coach. I would highly recommend it. Well worth the minimal investment.

Love the pics. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to seeing your coach at a rally some day.


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1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
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1992 Camaro 25th Anniversary Heretage Edition Black
Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252973 is a reply to message #252972] Sun, 22 June 2014 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daniel DeLuca is currently offline  Daniel DeLuca   United States
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Thanks everyone! I actually got the rear up on jackstands before I tossed the the old jack. I need to level it out but that should be no problem not that its already up. Will need to order the jack hook for the future. Will keep everyone posted as we make progress. We are on a budget so we are not doing a full overhaul, freshening her up and getting her camp ready.

Dan
On Jun 22, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Steve Adams wrote:

> Dan,
> I got the two stage stubby bottle jack and jacking hook from Jim K at Applied GMC. It works really great for jacking the rear of the coach. I would
> highly recommend it. Well worth the minimal investment.
>
> Love the pics. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to seeing your coach at a rally some day.
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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252975 is a reply to message #252971] Sun, 22 June 2014 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've had 2 blowouts on 2 different coaches. Both of them on the forward
bogie, one on the left and one on the right. Both times the little bottle
jack with the TW jack-hook would not get underneath the bogie mount. I
carry the original bottle jack with the chain and hook, and this is what I
used to raise the coach to swap out the tire. This is with the stock bogie
and bag setup. I use the little bottle jacks with the TW jack-hooks to
stabilize the coach when camping. JWID, YMMV.

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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252976 is a reply to message #252965] Sun, 22 June 2014 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Yes, it is possible and easy to repair a bottle jack. Simply take it apart and replace the dried up seals.

That said, I have one here that I have never used. I also would never use it. I guess it might work on a GMC but I have never seen one in use by any one and I would be afraid to try it myself. Mine stays in my garage on a shelf and almost made it to the junk yard two weeks ago when I hauled a 1993 Honda over there.

Get a jack hook or 2, and a couple of bottle jacks to carry in the coach. At home I use a single 2.5 ton long reach floor jack. It will lift the entire front or one side at the rear bogie. Also get 2 sets of jack stands.

The important thing is to get at least one low profile bottle jack that will lift the coach when a tire or air bag is flat.


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Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252979 is a reply to message #252968] Sun, 22 June 2014 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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powerjon wrote on Sun, 22 June 2014 19:35
Dan,
The OEM chain/bottle jack is really not a very good and not really safe to use, you need to get a couple low profile bottle jacks 6 to 12 ton in size.


The coach needs to be jacked from both sides evenly. You can crack or pop the windshields if you're not careful. If you have a large floor jack
3 or 4 ton you can use it in the middle of the front cross member and lift the coach. I use two 3 ton floor jacks on the frame just back of the from wheels and 2 bottle jacks in the back to lift my coach evenly. By chance did the PO have some jack pads to use on the rear bogies?
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1103
Like this or similar. Safest way to lift the back. DO NOT get under coach without using jack stands or blocking up the coach with wood cribbing.
http://gmcmotorhome.info/rear.html#hook
or
http://gmcwsproducts.blogspot.com/2006/04/jack-hooks.html
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
78 GMC Buskirk 30' Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

On Jun 22, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Daniel DeLuca wrote:

> We got the 78 Elegaza II delivered on friday. We know a little more about the motorhome at this point. We purchased from the salvation army but the motorhome was still at the original owner's house. He purchased the new back in 78 and has taken it on a grand total of 4 trips over the years. It has 13,500 miles. He maintained the motorhome until 2008 when his failing health left it more or left abandoned in the driveway. He has kept all the documentation and has two maintenance manuals. He also has two huge binder full of GMC motorhome newsletters neatly filed away. Neat stuff.
>
> Anyway started putting the coach up on stands today to work on it. It has the original jack with the chain hook. After I got one of the rear sides up the jack started leaking badly around its base. I have access to a quality floor jack but I wonder if any of you know if the original jack can be repaired, the bracket is really low to the ground when the suspension is empty.
>
> For those who are interested here are some pictures of us cleaning up the rig.
>
> http://imgur.com/gallery/8nzTo
>
> Dan
> Allentown NJ
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It does seem ancient but when my airbag blew, the OEM jack was all I could get low enough and frankly it was effortless when it came to lifting the side involved.


Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252987 is a reply to message #252979] Mon, 23 June 2014 03:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Next time that happens take a small hydraulic jack and place it under the rear frame back near the rear bumper. Raise the coach only enough to get a regular hydraulic jack under the bogie with or without a jack hook.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252990 is a reply to message #252965] Mon, 23 June 2014 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Love the story, the coach looks good (after cleaning), and you were able to buy it right, but I loved the comments made by your friends.

Now that you have us "hooked" you will have to keep sending photos as you continue to freshen it up.


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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252991 is a reply to message #252976] Mon, 23 June 2014 07:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know what others have said here, but Don,t toss that old jack. It can be repaired and it is a much better unit than Chinese junk that the common comdity. I would like to tell you more and relate more experience. but we are traveling and my real keyboard is down.

Matt at Port Austin this morning


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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252996 is a reply to message #252991] Mon, 23 June 2014 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day Matt,

Sorry I'm going to disagree with you a bit; here's a couple of GOOD bottle jacks.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5846-ford-torin-jack-comparison.html

The Torin jacks are readily available from Applied GMC and Northern Tool; the Ford jacks you have to do a Google or eBay search for.

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I know what others have said here, but Don,t toss that old jack. It can be repaired and it is a much better unit than Chinese junk
that the common commodity. I would like to tell you more and relate more experience. but we are traveling and my real keyboard is
down.

Matt

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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #252998 is a reply to message #252991] Mon, 23 June 2014 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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After a little goggling, it is leaking from the reservoir which does not hold any pressure. I could take it apart and try to find a replacement seal, but I think I will just put a bead of JB weld around the base and see if that will hold in the hydraulic fluid. It a quick and dirty fix, but might hold me off till I order a stubby from northern tool.

Dan
Allentown, NJ
78’ Eleganza II
On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Matt Colie wrote:

> I know what others have said here, but Don,t toss that old jack. It can be repaired and it is a much better unit than Chinese junk that the common
> comdity. I would like to tell you more and relate more experience. but we are traveling and my real keyboard is down.
>
> Matt at Port Austin this morning
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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #253045 is a reply to message #252996] Mon, 23 June 2014 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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USAussie wrote on Mon, 23 June 2014 09:38
G'day Matt,
Sorry I'm going to disagree with you a bit; here's a couple of GOOD bottle jacks.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5846-ford-torin-jack-comparison.html
The Torin jacks are readily available from Applied GMC and Northern Tool; the Ford jacks you have to do a Google or eBay search for.
Regards,
Rob M.

Rob et al,

Now that I have a real keyboard I will relate my issues.

I do not intend to purchase something that I have every hope of never having to use.
I can do anything I might need to do on the road with the OE jack and chain kit.
I have changed a tire on each end. I was able to jack and block the coach enough to change a starter.

In my barn, I have both a 1-1/2 and three ton floor jack and a collection of other jacks. But, I have on occasion gotten the jack and chain kit out of the coach because it could do something that my jack set was having a hard time doing.

Matt



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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #253056 is a reply to message #253045] Mon, 23 June 2014 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan Borlase is currently offline  Dan Borlase   Canada
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Matt and Co.
I have an original jack but no chain...my question is, how long is the chain?

I also have a bottle jack bought from our Canadian equivalent of Harbor Freight namely, Princes Auto, that is air operated. I use my portable compressor on 12 volts and away she goes.
Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #253061 is a reply to message #253056] Mon, 23 June 2014 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daniel DeLuca is currently offline  Daniel DeLuca   United States
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Dan,

The chain is 3ft long. It has a standard hook on one end. I have a general utility chain from Walmart that I use around the farm that could sub in. Might be a good replacement. The original is a little bit beefier.

Dan.

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> On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Dan Borlase wrote:
>
> Matt and Co.
> I have an original jack but no chain...my question is, how long is the chain?
>
> I also have a bottle jack bought from our Canadian equivalent of Harbor Freight namely, Princes Auto, that is air operated. I use my portable
> compressor on 12 volts and away she goes.
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Re: [GMCnet] Original Jack, leaking badly [message #253115 is a reply to message #253061] Tue, 24 June 2014 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I have been told the OEM jack (its equivalent) is still available from U.S.Jack and it is American made in Benton Harbor, MI. Both the jack and the chain adaptor can be found at usjack.com.

There are no seals on the reservoir of this jack, just mechanical sealing by tightening the big nut on top using a big wrench and a big vise.

I haven't done the research, but I got the info from a pretty good guy so I believe it is valid.



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