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About the OE house fuse panel [message #252789] |
Fri, 20 June 2014 18:52 |
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Matt Colie
Messages: 8547 Registered: March 2007 Location: S.E. Michigan
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For those of you that have to OE fuse panel still and don't feel a lot like changing it out, I will go over what to do to maybe make it trouble free.
Remember I work on old boats. Even here on the sweet water, corrosion is an issue. I have some cheap and fast tricks that I know work.
First, Check all the connections. They are as likely to be a problem as the fuse holding clips.
Next, If you can budge the fuse and bring the circuit back to life, there is probably corrosion in the clips or the fuse caps.
To clean the fuse caps, just spin them in a piece of fine Scotch Brite. Actually any sandpaper or emery paper will do, but the wool like stuff is easier to handle and make conform to the caps.
To clean the clips, get a spray can of contact cleaner and a .30cal wire brush. (I suppose .223 or .250 Savage might work, but 30 is what I have.) This is the best way I know to clean those clips. On a short rod you can come in from the end and do a very effective job of cleaning the clip insides.
Before you put a fuse back in, make sure that the rivet that holds the clip to its connection is still solid. These come loose just like the screws. If one is lose and you can do it, running some solder under the clip will make it good forever. If it is loose and you can't solder it, get ready to replace the panel as it will be a bad act forever and anon.
Again, As you put fuses back in, coat each cap with silicon grease, dielectric grease or whatever non-lubricating grease you have. Do not expend any energy putting said grease in the fuse clips, it will get there on its own when the fuse is clipped in.
This trick will be tough to do on the vehicle fuse panel as the ends aren't open.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: About the OE house fuse panel [message #252805 is a reply to message #252789] |
Fri, 20 June 2014 21:05 |
glenn2726
Messages: 234 Registered: June 2014 Location: Topeka, Kansas
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Thanks Matt, my panel is so touchy it's ridiculous, today when working on getting the fridge going, I had less than 1 volt at the fridge, going to the 12 volt panel and cleaning the fuse and contacts after checking for voltage, I finally got 12 volts, then later when trying to clean up other fuses, I checked that fuse again and it was back to less than 1 volt, but moving the fuse a little and I got 12 volts..so I will be removing this in the near future and putting a newer fuse panel in its place in order to lessen the probability of intermittent problems.
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: About the OE house fuse panel [message #252812 is a reply to message #252805] |
Fri, 20 June 2014 22:08 |
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Matt Colie
Messages: 8547 Registered: March 2007 Location: S.E. Michigan
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glenn2726 wrote on Fri, 20 June 2014 22:05Thanks Matt, my panel is so touchy it's ridiculous, today when working on getting the fridge going, I had less than 1 volt at the fridge, going to the 12 volt panel and cleaning the fuse and contacts after checking for voltage, I finally got 12 volts, then later when trying to clean up other fuses, I checked that fuse again and it was back to less than 1 volt, but moving the fuse a little and I got 12 volts..so I will be removing this in the near future and putting a newer fuse panel in its place in order to lessen the probability of intermittent problems.
Glenn,
Check to see if the clips are loose on their rivets.
If no, get a 30cal brush and clean them. Save the effort for something that needs it.
Trust Me, you will find plenty else to do if you can go around this.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: About the OE house fuse panel [message #252819 is a reply to message #252812] |
Sat, 21 June 2014 02:12 |
glenn2726
Messages: 234 Registered: June 2014 Location: Topeka, Kansas
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Thanks Matt, yeah anything 40 years old needs a little updating...lol..that fuse block is at the end of its usefulness and don't need that frustration when working on things. I also found the same connection problem when checking the underhood light...got minimal voltage but when checking the connecting point found it was just corroded, cleaned and now have light...lol
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: About the OE house fuse panel [message #252849 is a reply to message #252789] |
Sat, 21 June 2014 11:46 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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If the rivets holding the fuse clips to the bakelite are loose, it's toast, they never tighten back properly and they form the connection to the tabs on mine. Quick n Dirty fix - which I did to my old 72 Skylark - is a handful of inline holders with pigtails. Splice 'em in. Good looking correct way, find a panel with the same number of fuses and install it.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: About the OE house fuse panel [message #252850 is a reply to message #252789] |
Sat, 21 June 2014 12:10 |
GeorgeRud
Messages: 1380 Registered: February 2007 Location: Chicago, IL
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I also replaced mine with an ATO type, and added one with more circuits for further expansion possibilities. The extra slots make a great place to store extra fuses as well.
You can even get fuses with a built in led that shows you which fuse is blown.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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Re: [GMCnet] About the OE house fuse panel [message #252868 is a reply to message #252850] |
Sat, 21 June 2014 17:02 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726 Registered: March 2004 Location: Americus, GA
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Be careful with those blown-indication fuses. I installed some, then had
refrigerator trouble. Checking voltages with my DVM, I found that the
control board on the new refrigerator was bad. Dometic sent me a new
board, no further questions asked, after I described the voltage checks I'd
performed. Guess what: The new board didn't help. Almost accidentally, I
noticed that the refrigerator fuse was glowing red. Yep, that was the
whole problem -- I probably accidentally shorted the 12 VDC during
installation, blowing the fuse. The 10-20 mA current flow through the LED
was sufficient to give me "good" readings on the high impedance DVM, even
though there was no chance of the refigerator working.
Just 'cause I've got an MSEE degree, don't mean I can't do dumb things!!!
:-)
By the way, for the past 15 years, my 12 VDC fuse panel has been a little
2"x2" affair, salvaged from some junkyard car, with 2 columns of 6 ATO
fuses -- far more capacity than I've ever needed.
Ken H.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 1:10 PM, George Rudawsky
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> You can even get fuses with a built in led that shows you which fuse is
> blown.
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Re: About the OE house fuse panel [message #252887 is a reply to message #252789] |
Sat, 21 June 2014 23:13 |
Carl S.
Messages: 4186 Registered: January 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ.
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Matt Colie wrote on Fri, 20 June 2014 16:52For those of you that have to OE fuse panel still and don't feel a lot like changing it out, I will go over what to do to maybe make it trouble free.
Remember I work on old boats. Even here on the sweet water, corrosion is an issue. I have some cheap and fast tricks that I know work.
First, Check all the connections. They are as likely to be a problem as the fuse holding clips.
Next, If you can budge the fuse and bring the circuit back to life, there is probably corrosion in the clips or the fuse caps.
To clean the fuse caps, just spin them in a piece of fine Scotch Brite. Actually any sandpaper or emery paper will do, but the wool like stuff is easier to handle and make conform to the caps.
To clean the clips, get a spray can of contact cleaner and a .30cal wire brush. (I suppose .223 or .250 Savage might work, but 30 is what I have.) This is the best way I know to clean those clips. On a short rod you can come in from the end and do a very effective job of cleaning the clip insides.
Before you put a fuse back in, make sure that the rivet that holds the clip to its connection is still solid. These come loose just like the screws. If one is lose and you can do it, running some solder under the clip will make it good forever. If it is loose and you can't solder it, get ready to replace the panel as it will be a bad act forever and anon.
Again, As you put fuses back in, coat each cap with silicon grease, dielectric grease or whatever non-lubricating grease you have. Do not expend any energy putting said grease in the fuse clips, it will get there on its own when the fuse is clipped in.
This trick will be tough to do on the vehicle fuse panel as the ends aren't open.
Matt,
Thanks for posting the above procedure for repairing a 12v fuse panel. I have been having trouble with the #4 fuse on my house 12v panel. It runs my three way fridge, as well as a few lights in the ceiling that the PO spliced in. It has never actually blown a fuse (I have a 25 amp in it) but it has melted the solder inside the fuse a couple of times.
This evening I went out and checked it and, sure enough, the terminal on that fuse (only) is loose. The fuse looks like it is about to melt again, but hasn't gone quite yet. I will clean it up and try to solder the rivet and, hopefully, that will be the end of that problem.
Thanks again.
Matt
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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