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| Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251717] |
Sun, 08 June 2014 01:07  |
lotsofspareparts
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Got a few things done over the last week.
Repaired the Zip Dee awning on the curb side. The awning had pulled out of the groove at the front of the coach, and the stainless arm was frozen inside of the aluminum tube at the front as well. A phone call to Zip Dee and a talk with Jimmy in customer service had me fixed up in under an hour. Great customer service at Zip Dee!!
All new brakes on the rear, the old pads were near new except for the bad set. Decided to replace all of the pads with semi metallic.
The bearings (Timken) were in great shape so I cleaned and repacked them, and I replaced the wheel cylinders which were original 
Went ahead and did the 1 1/16 cylinders on the intermediate axle, and the 15/16 on the rear axle.
Doing the front brakes tomorrow.
Cleaned the carpet.
My new clearance light lenses showed up, thanks Jim K and AppliedGMC
And have a window question, pictures follow.
1st and 2nd photo, old brakes that caused the groove. Intermediate axle on the drivers side, wheel cylinder seized open on the rear push pin. Was probably driven for quite a while to cause the groove in the drum which was 1/2in wide and 1/8in deep. The inside of the wheel on this brake was completely black!!!
Here is a picture of one of the completed brakes. 
New marker light lenses, bought all 10 of them.
The awning had pulled out at the front of the coach, was a little perplexed on how to fix it. Broke out my small craftsman pry bar, opened up the groove that holds the piping, tucked her back in and vise gripped it back closed.
Now for my window question, the big window that does not slide on the drivers side has slid back out of the sealant. I can actually used my hands to move the window up down back and forth. It is hard to slide and the seal is tacky, what would be the best way to take care of this.
Thanks guys!!!
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251726 is a reply to message #251717] |
Sun, 08 June 2014 08:40  |
Mr ERFisher
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Do not forget the rear seal problem
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5621-rear-axle-seals-skf21771.html
Erf
On Saturday, June 7, 2014, Jared wrote:
> Got a few things done over the last week.
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> Repaired the Zip Dee awning on the curb side, all new brakes on the rear
> (doing the fronts tomorrow).
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> Cleaned the carpet.
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> My new clearance light lenses showed up, thanks Jim K and AppliedGMC
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> And have a window question, pictures follow.
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> First photo, old brakes that caused the groove. Intermediate axle on the
> drivers side.
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> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140601_121541_856-1.jpg.html
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> Here is a picture of one of the completed brakes. :d
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> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140607_121657_780.jpg.html
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> New marker light lenses, bought all 10 of them.
>
>
> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140605_164147_079.jpg.html
>
> The awning had pulled out at the front of the coach, was a little
> perplexed on how to fix it. Broke out my small craftsman pry bar, opened up
> the
> groove that holds the piping, tucked her back in and vise gripped it back
> closed.
>
>
> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140604_134337_341.jpg.html
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> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140604_134351_941.jpg.html
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> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140604_140702_065.jpg.html
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> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140604_140711_177.jpg.html
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> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140604_140721_598.jpg.html
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> Now for my window question, the big window that does not slide on the
> drivers side has slid back out of the sealant. I can actually used my hands
> to
> move the window up down back and forth. It is hard to slide and the seal
> is tacky, what would be the best way to take care of this.
>
>
> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140604_162056_384.jpg.html
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> http://s287.photobucket.com/user/lotsofspareparts/media/1977%20GMC%20Eleganza/IMG_20140604_162125_523.jpg.html
>
> Thanks guys!!!
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>
>
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> Daughter: Alina Lazaron 7yrs old
> 77 Eleganza II "Recherché"
> Arlington, WA
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| Re: Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251737 is a reply to message #251717] |
Sun, 08 June 2014 12:11 |
appie
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The window:
Take it out and reseal it Not a big job
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
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( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251748 is a reply to message #251737] |
Sun, 08 June 2014 15:22 |
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On the glass, use a 2x4 block of wood and sledge hammer to push it back.
Then do as Carl said.
On your zip Dee awning, spray in penetrating oil at both shafts and later
spray in White Lub.
Clean the SS arm with a ruff pad and lightly lube the full length of the
arm.
Since it is wet up there, additional maintenance ned be done.
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 10:11 AM, lenze middelberg
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> The window:
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> Take it out and reseal it Not a big job
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| Re: Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251761 is a reply to message #251717] |
Sun, 08 June 2014 18:13 |
lotsofspareparts
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The window will be my next project tomorrow as I am running low on funds to complete the brakes.
Here is where they stand though, rear brakes are done, started on the front today. Got everything tore down but need to source a new set of rotors. Also the bearings on the drivers side were shot, chalk up another few bucks.
Was able to manufacture my own bearing puller to get everything apart, now am thinking I need some I-Beam steel and break out my welder so I can manufacture a bearing press. Have seen that done before with bottle jacks and I have a brand new 6 ton jack I haven't used for anything yet.
Thinking of changing the name of the coach to "Money Pit", wife wants to call it the "Dog House" cause if I go overboard on funds that is where I will be stuck.
Thanks for the suggestions on the window, have already solved the awning arm problem. Zip Dee has great customer service!!
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251765 is a reply to message #251761] |
Sun, 08 June 2014 18:34 |
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Well, Jared, I've been calling my coach "Money Pit" here on the list for a little over three years now!
Mac in OKC
"Money Pit"
'76 ex Palm Beach
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On Jun 8, 2014, at 18:13, "Jared" wrote:
The window will be my next project tomorrow as I am running low on funds to complete the brakes.
Here is where they stand though, rear brakes are done, started on the front today. Got everything tore down but need to source a new set of rotors.
Also the bearings on the drivers side were shot, chalk up another few bucks.
Was able to manufacture my own bearing puller to get everything apart, now am thinking I need some I-Beam steel and break out my welder so I can
manufacture a bearing press. Have seen that done before with bottle jacks and I have a brand new 6 ton jack I haven't used for anything yet.
Thinking of changing the name of the coach to "Money Pit", wife wants to call it the "Dog House" cause if I go overboard on funds that is where I will
be stuck.
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Daughter: Alina Lazaron 7yrs old
77 Eleganza II "Recherché"
Arlington, WA
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| Re: Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251838 is a reply to message #251762] |
Mon, 09 June 2014 17:23 |
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A Hamilto wrote on Sun, 08 June 2014 16:35lotsofspareparts wrote on Sun, 08 June 2014 18:13...Was able to manufacture my own bearing puller to get everything apart, Post some pictures to the photo site.Quote:now am thinking I need some I-Beam steel and break out my welder so I can manufacture a bearing press. Have seen that done before with bottle jacks and I have a brand new 6 ton jack I haven't used for anything yet. Post pictures of that when you get it built.Quote:Thinking of changing the name of the coach to "Money Pit", wife wants to call it the "Dog House" cause if I go overboard on funds that is where I will be stuck. One good thing about owning a GMC is that you can live in it when the CFO kicks you out for ever buying it. A circle of life kind of thing.
Haven't posted any photos to the photo site, I will eventually.
It mainly consisted of a 3 jaw puller, a large 3/4in drive socket that had a neck on it, and a piece of plate steel that I drilled a small indentation in.
With the hub sitting on the lug studs, dropped the socket into the end of the hub (fit perfectly and had a neck so wouldn't fall through).
Piece of plate steel across the socket, jaws around the seal, center of puller threaded rod into the indent in the steel, 3/8 impact with 5/8 socket......... voila!!!
Took longer to round up the hardware than it did to pull the bearing.
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251842 is a reply to message #251838] |
Mon, 09 June 2014 18:05 |
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Jared - Love the bearing puller! I was working on my Onan and needed to pull the bearing out of the rear cover. My 18 year old son was helping me. I got a socket bigger than the bearing OD, a long bolt, a washer the same size as the bearing, a nut, and a washer to cover the hole in the back of the socket. Put everything together, grabbed two wrenches, and pulled the bearing in seconds. My son was stunned. "You did that with a bunch of junk you just had lying around"
Yep.
You don't need a bearing puller. You need to pull a bearing. There's a difference.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251862 is a reply to message #251859] |
Mon, 09 June 2014 21:22 |
lotsofspareparts
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There certainly is a right way to do things.
There is definitely a wrong way to do things.
As a mechanic, I have my way of doing things.
As long as the end result is the same...... what is the difference?
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251912 is a reply to message #251911] |
Tue, 10 June 2014 18:35 |
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Our coach is a no goer at the moment as it is on 4 jackstands. Rear brakes are done with the exception of a replacement drum I am getting this weekend..... have the front brakes/hubs tore apart, gonna go with new bearings, calipers, rotors, and pads.
Not going to be ready for the Rally at the Arlington Fly-In, but should be able to use it a couple of times before the end of the year.
P.S. I drover her 35 miles to get her home. Other than the fact that I had zero rear brakes it ran great.
My new Thin Lite porch lite showed up yesterday, and we got all of the old purple tint off of the picture windows last night.
Making progress, just not in leaps and bounds. Money is going to be tighter as my 7 year old daughter gets out of school for the summer... time to pay for daycare!!
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251984 is a reply to message #251913] |
Wed, 11 June 2014 18:07 |
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A Hamilto wrote on Tue, 10 June 2014 18:18lotsofspareparts wrote on Tue, 10 June 2014 18:35...have the front brakes/hubs tore apart, gonna go with new bearings... Drill the hubs using one of these and install grease fittings so you can grease the front bearings without pulling them apart anymore.
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/835
I don't understand what that little piece of steel is doing there?
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251988 is a reply to message #251984] |
Wed, 11 June 2014 18:22 |
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Jared,
From what I've read of your exploits, I suspect you're quite capable of
drilling your knuckles for Zerks free-hand. Look at the top front of the
knuckle; there's a lot of real estate there around the hub bore at about
45* from vertical/horizontal. The objective is to drill from there into
the center of the bearing bore, where the bearing separator resides. It's
really not difficult to eyeball where the hole will hit the center of the
spacer (axially). A 1/8" bit is good to start. Then drill and tap for a
straight 1/8" NPT Zerk.
fitting. Clean the passage and inside the knuckle meticulously.
With the Zerk and grease passage completed, you need to modify the spacer
(there are those who say this is unnecessary; I don't agree). The purpose
is to allow grease pumped through your new Zerk to reach each of the
bearings. Using a Dremel, or your tool of choice, grind a groove around
the outer diameter of the spacer such that it will align with your grease
passage in the knuckle. Now, to let the grease out of that groove, in
about 4 places around the outer circumference, grind little axial grooves.
Clean up all the mess and continue with bearing packing and installation.
After xx,xxx miles, loosen the axle nut about 1/4" and push the axle back
so that the inner grease seal is unseated from the spindle. Fail to do
that and you stand a good chance of blowing the seal -- especially if
you've previously used the Zerk and filled the voids in the hub. Pump some
grease through your added Zerk to displace some of the old grease.
Retighten the axle nut and install a new cotter pin, etc.
EasyPeasy.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Jared wrote:
> A Hamilto wrote on Tue, 10 June 2014 18:18
>> lotsofspareparts wrote on Tue, 10 June 2014 18:35
>>> ...have the front brakes/hubs tore apart, gonna go with new
> bearings...
>> Drill the hubs using one of these and install grease fittings so you can
> grease the front bearings without pulling them apart anymore.
>>
>> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/835
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>
> I don't understand what that little piece of steel is doing there?
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Update on "Recherché" 77 Eleganza II [message #251991 is a reply to message #251988] |
Wed, 11 June 2014 21:07 |
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That pretty much describes exactly what I did and it worked great.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
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Seattle
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
>
> Jared,
>
> From what I've read of your exploits, I suspect you're quite capable of
> drilling your knuckles for Zerks free-hand. Look at the top front of the
> knuckle; there's a lot of real estate there around the hub bore at about
> 45* from vertical/horizontal. The objective is to drill from there into
> the center of the bearing bore, where the bearing separator resides. It's
> really not difficult to eyeball where the hole will hit the center of the
> spacer (axially). A 1/8" bit is good to start. Then drill and tap for a
> straight 1/8" NPT Zerk.
> fitting. Clean the passage and inside the knuckle meticulously.
>
> With the Zerk and grease passage completed, you need to modify the spacer
> (there are those who say this is unnecessary; I don't agree). The purpose
> is to allow grease pumped through your new Zerk to reach each of the
> bearings. Using a Dremel, or your tool of choice, grind a groove around
> the outer diameter of the spacer such that it will align with your grease
> passage in the knuckle. Now, to let the grease out of that groove, in
> about 4 places around the outer circumference, grind little axial grooves.
> Clean up all the mess and continue with bearing packing and installation.
>
> After xx,xxx miles, loosen the axle nut about 1/4" and push the axle back
> so that the inner grease seal is unseated from the spindle. Fail to do
> that and you stand a good chance of blowing the seal -- especially if
> you've previously used the Zerk and filled the voids in the hub. Pump some
> grease through your added Zerk to displace some of the old grease.
> Retighten the axle nut and install a new cotter pin, etc.
>
> EasyPeasy.
>
> Ken H.
>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Jared wrote:
>>
>> A Hamilto wrote on Tue, 10 June 2014 18:18
>>> lotsofspareparts wrote on Tue, 10 June 2014 18:35
>>>> ...have the front brakes/hubs tore apart, gonna go with new
>> bearings...
>>> Drill the hubs using one of these and install grease fittings so you can
>> grease the front bearings without pulling them apart anymore.
>>>
>>> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/835
>>
>>
>> I don't understand what that little piece of steel is doing there?
>>
>> --
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