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| Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248603] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 00:24  |
BRDRVR
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I am bringing a coach back now and it's been he'll so far. Among a list of issues when I picked the coach up was the axle shaft bolts were loose on both sides. I torqued them back down to 75ftlbs and inspected the boots. I thought they both looked good. As soon as I drove it though the steering would lock up. I could turn it back the other way and steer through it with a little affort but driving if I slowly turned the wheel it wouldn't let me go further. At my first 50 mile safety check the front pass hub was super hot. I got under and the boot looked ok till I saw that it was separated and there was grease on the inner wheel. I thought originally the the steering shaft had a bad u-joint. Now I wonder if a bad axle would mimick this behavior? Could a bad bearing cause the axle to heat up and melt the boot? Could it be that I have 3 separate issues? Lack of sleep and exhaustion are taking a toll on my critical thinking right now. I'm in Beaux Bridge and there is a Napa not to far so I am going to limp it over and crash till they open up. I have my interchange with me but my manuals were left in another basket case in Jennings La so I'm not sure what tools I need to change out the axle. I remember reading that I can use a toronado axle but have remove the c-v joint and use my shaft? Any input would be helpful.
Thanx.david
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| Re: Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248610 is a reply to message #248603] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 01:51  |
Ken Burton
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| BRDRVR wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 00:24 |
I am bringing a coach back now and it's been he'll so far. Among a list of issues when I picked the coach up was the axle shaft bolts were loose on both sides. I torqued them back down to 75ftlbs and inspected the boots. I thought they both looked good. As soon as I drove it though the steering would lock up. I could turn it back the other way and steer through it with a little affort but driving if I slowly turned the wheel it wouldn't let me go further. At my first 50 mile safety check the front pass hub was super hot. I got under and the boot looked ok till I saw that it was separated and there was grease on the inner wheel. I thought originally the the steering shaft had a bad u-joint. Now I wonder if a bad axle would mimick this behavior? Could a bad bearing cause the axle to heat up and melt the boot? Could it be that I have 3 separate issues? Lack of sleep and exhaustion are taking a toll on my critical thinking right now. I'm in Beaux Bridge and there is a Napa not to far so I am going to limp it over and crash till they open up. I have my interchange with me but my manuals were left in another basket case in Jennings La so I'm not sure what tools I need to change out the axle. I remember reading that I can use a toronado axle but have remove the c-v joint and use my shaft? Any input would be helpful.
Thanx.david
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First, for the binding steering look at the slip joint next to the universal joint on the steering shaft. I'l bet it is frozen.
On the CV thing, you can get rebuilt Toronado axles but 1/2 of them are Chinese and will not fit on our axle shafts. So order at least 2 of each, select one for each side that will fit, and return the ones you do not use.
I hate to say this but there is a good chance that the heated wheel is the wheel bearing and not the CV joint. If it is bad, you are looking at pulling it and rebuilding the entire assembly because the area where it is pressed in probably worn. I have never replaced mine. Instead I pulled them and sent them to Dave Lenzi. He returned to me in under a week and I reinstalled them. FedEx Ground is the best way to send them to him.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248627 is a reply to message #248610] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 07:56 |
Bruce Hart
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Dave, NAPA should be able to tell what the number of spines are on the
axle. 27 splines is what NAPA showed here in Colorado, it should be 33
splines. Your axle won't interchange.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> BRDRVR wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 00:24
> > I am bringing a coach back now and it's been he'll so far. Among a list
> of issues when I picked the coach up was the axle shaft bolts were loose on
> both sides. I torqued them back down to 75ftlbs and inspected the boots. I
> thought they both looked good. As soon as I drove it though the steering
> would lock up. I could turn it back the other way and steer through it with
> a little affort but driving if I slowly turned the wheel it wouldn't let me
> go further. At my first 50 mile safety check the front pass hub was super
> hot. I got under and the boot looked ok till I saw that it was separated
> and there was grease on the inner wheel. I thought originally the the
> steering shaft had a bad u-joint. Now I wonder if a bad axle would mimick
> this behavior? Could a bad bearing cause the axle to heat up and melt the
> boot? Could it be that I have 3 separate issues? Lack of sleep and
> exhaustion are taking a toll on my critical thinking right now. I'm in
> Beaux Bridge and there is a Napa not
> to far so I am going to limp it over and crash till they open up. I
> have my interchange with me but my manuals were left in another basket case
> in Jennings La so I'm not sure what tools I need to change out the axle. I
> remember reading that I can use a toronado axle but have remove the c-v
> joint and use my shaft? Any input would be helpful.
> > Thanx.david
>
>
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> First, for the binding steering look at the slip joint next to the
> universal joint on the steering shaft. I'l bet it is frozen.
>
> On the CV thing, you can get rebuilt Toronado axles but 1/2 of them are
> Chinese and will not fit on our axle shafts. So order at least 2 of each,
> select one for each side that will fit, and return the ones you do not use.
>
> I hate to say this but there is a good chance that the heated wheel is the
> wheel bearing and not the CV joint. If it is bad, you are looking at
> pulling it and rebuilding the entire assembly because the area where it is
> pressed in probably worn. I have never replaced mine. Instead I pulled
> them and sent them to Dave Lenzi. He returned to me in under a week and I
> reinstalled them. FedEx Ground is the best way to send them to him.
>
>
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248630 is a reply to message #248603] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 08:20 |
Ken Henderson
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David,
Like Ken B., I'm betting the wheel bearing is gone, probably taking the
knuckle and/or hub with it: Call Dave Lenzi for a replacement already
assembled.
The steering lockup sounds like one I had several years ago. Cleaning the
CV joint and relubing it with Valvoline Synpower with MSO2 (ONLY) cured the
problem permanently.
As Ken B. suggested, you'll probably find at least 1/2 of the Toronado
axles unuseable. My advice, particularly with your inventory, is to be
frank with every parts store you can reach: "I MUST have the OEM style
joints. Order all your warehouse has in stock and I'll take every correct
one you receive." And to it, 'cause eventually you'll need them all -- IF
you get ANY.
To swap the axle shafts you'll have to remove the outer CV boot and release
the Circlip holding the CV on the shaft. But DON'T remove the inner CV;
just remove the small band clamp. Stand the shaft+inner CV assembly on the
shaft end, then lift and gently drop it a couple of times. The cap sealing
the inner end of the CV will be knocked off by the upper end of the shaft.
Now you can reach the Circlip holding the CV. Reassembly of both ends is
basically a matter of sliding it all back together. In your on-the-road
situation, you probably can't be choosey about the clamps you use, but when
you get home, you'll probably find your best option is to order 1/4"
Band-Itmaterial in a 25' roll, and ear-type buckles, from
McMaster-Carr. Double
wrap clamps from that material are the only clamps I consider worth the
effort to install. It's not cheap (I just got a 25' roll for $38+S&H --
about what I paid for a 100' roll a few years back), but still cheaper than
the pre-made ones from NAPA. For P/N's and other info, take a look at:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3120-replacing-a-cv-joint-boot.html
Whatever clamp you use on that outer CV boot, make sure the boot and the CV
are perfectly clean of grease where the mate, else the boot will slide
right back off.
Good luck. I don't envy you having to handle this on the road.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:24 AM, David Gourdine wrote:
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> I am bringing a coach back now and it's been he'll so far. Among a list of
> issues when I picked the coach up was the axle shaft bolts were loose on
> both sides. I torqued them back down to 75ftlbs and inspected the boots.
> I thought they both looked good. As soon as I drove it though the
> steering would lock up. I could turn it back the other way and steer
> through it with a little affort but driving if I slowly turned the wheel it
> wouldn't let me go further. At my first 50 mile safety check the front
> pass hub was super hot. I got under and the boot looked ok till I saw that
> it was separated and there was grease on the inner wheel. I thought
> originally the the steering shaft had a bad u-joint. Now I wonder if a
> bad axle would mimick this behavior? Could a bad bearing cause the axle
> to heat up and melt the boot? Could it be that I have 3 separate issues?
> Lack of sleep and exhaustion are taking a toll on my critical thinking
> right now. I'm in Beaux Bridge and there is a Napa not t
> o far so I am going to limp it over and crash till they open up. I have
> my interchange with me but my manuals were left in another basket case in Jennings
> La so I'm not sure what tools I need to change out the axle. I remember
> reading that I can use a toronado axle but have remove the c-v joint and
> use my shaft? Any input would be helpful.
> Thanx.david
> --
>
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| Re: Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248646 is a reply to message #248603] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 09:57 |
BRDRVR
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Gentleman. Thanx for the input. And a special thanx to rob calling me from Australia last night at 1a. Napa is 3 days ordering an axle. The idiot at autozone was less then no help if that is possible. I had some drive the coach while I was walking next to it and did not hear any grinding so I'm hoping I can swap out some bearing as it is and throw an axle in. I found a campground that I leftist at safely and am heading back to Florida to grab a spare axle and some bearings and head back to do the work Friday. Meanwhile I gotta get to Pennsylvania and get one first. Does anyone know where I can buy,rent or borrow a bearing tool some where?
Thanx again. David
David Gourdine
http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
727-657-1955
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248672 is a reply to message #248630] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 13:00 |
Ken Burton
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 08:20 |
David,
Like Ken B., I'm betting the wheel bearing is gone, probably taking the
knuckle and/or hub with it: Call Dave Lenzi for a replacement already
assembled.
The steering lockup sounds like one I had several years ago. Cleaning the
CV joint and relubing it with Valvoline Synpower with MSO2 (ONLY) cured the
problem permanently.
As Ken B. suggested, you'll probably find at least 1/2 of the Toronado
axles unuseable. My advice, particularly with your inventory, is to be
frank with every parts store you can reach: "I MUST have the OEM style
joints. Order all your warehouse has in stock and I'll take every correct
one you receive." And to it, 'cause eventually you'll need them all -- IF
you get ANY.
To swap the axle shafts you'll have to remove the outer CV boot and release
the Circlip holding the CV on the shaft. But DON'T remove the inner CV;
just remove the small band clamp. Stand the shaft+inner CV assembly on the
shaft end, then lift and gently drop it a couple of times. The cap sealing
the inner end of the CV will be knocked off by the upper end of the shaft.
Now you can reach the Circlip holding the CV. Reassembly of both ends is
basically a matter of sliding it all back together. In your on-the-road
situation, you probably can't be choosey about the clamps you use, but when
you get home, you'll probably find your best option is to order 1/4"
Band-Itmaterial in a 25' roll, and ear-type buckles, from
McMaster-Carr. Double
wrap clamps from that material are the only clamps I consider worth the
effort to install. It's not cheap (I just got a 25' roll for $38+S&H --
about what I paid for a 100' roll a few years back), but still cheaper than
the pre-made ones from NAPA. For P/N's and other info, take a look at:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3120-replacing-a-cv-joint-boot.html
Whatever clamp you use on that outer CV boot, make sure the boot and the CV
are perfectly clean of grease where the mate, else the boot will slide
right back off.
Good luck. I don't envy you having to handle this on the road.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
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The master has spoken. Listen to Ken H.
All I have ever done is watch other people do this at Bean Station and Hamilton. When mine got repacked and the boots replaced, Blaine Merrell did the actual work while I watched.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248677 is a reply to message #248603] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 13:38 |
BRDRVR
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Dan. It pisses my wife off to no end. Cause I name them all after old girl friends . She calls them my mistresses. Says when I come home she "can still smell the stink of those old whores" on me. I left a word document up on my computer that has a list of 50 names on it with 18 of them highlighted. She printed it out and posted it on Facebook with the caption "my husband has 18 girls on the side and apparently that not enough". Last month at a family dinner her and my mom decided to try to have an intervention. They asked how many was enough? I said 127. They both thru up their hands and refused to talk to me the rest of the day
David Gourdine
http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
727-657-1955
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248679 is a reply to message #248677] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 13:44 |
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She's ok helping you dispense of the revenue tho huh?
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:38 AM, David Gourdine <booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com> wrote:
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> Dan. It pisses my wife off to no end. Cause I name them all after old girl friends . She calls them my mistresses. Says when I come home she "can still smell the stink of those old whores" on me. I left a word document up on my computer that has a list of 50 names on it with 18 of them highlighted. She printed it out and posted it on Facebook with the caption "my husband has 18 girls on the side and apparently that not enough". Last month at a family dinner her and my mom decided to try to have an intervention. They asked how many was enough? I said 127. They both thru up their hands and refused to talk to me the rest of the day
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248684 is a reply to message #248646] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 15:45 |
Ken Henderson
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David,
When will you be passing back through the FL panhandle? We might be able
to find someone in that area willing to lend/rent you a tool, but they're
probably all gone to Bean Station or about to leave for there and won't be
back until next week. I'll see them at BS starting tomorrow afternoon.
Or, if you want to get set for future adventures, buy one from JimK.
Ken H.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, David Gourdine <
booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com> wrote:
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> Gentleman. Thanx for the input. And a special thanx to rob calling me
> from Australia last night at 1a. Napa is 3 days ordering an axle. The idiot
> at autozone was less then no help if that is possible. I had some drive
> the coach while I was walking next to it and did not hear any grinding so
> I'm hoping I can swap out some bearing as it is and throw an axle in. I
> found a campground that I leftist at safely and am heading back to Florida
> to grab a spare axle and some bearings and head back to do the work Friday. Meanwhile
> I gotta get to Pennsylvania and get one first. Does anyone know where I
> can buy,rent or borrow a bearing tool some where?
> Thanx again. David
> --
> David Gourdine
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> http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
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> booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
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> 727-657-1955
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| Re: Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248690 is a reply to message #248677] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 16:49 |
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| BRDRVR wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 12:38 |
Dan. It pisses my wife off to no end. Cause I name them all after old girl friends . She calls them my mistresses. Says when I come home she "can still smell the stink of those old whores" on me. I left a word document up on my computer that has a list of 50 names on it with 18 of them highlighted. She printed it out and posted it on Facebook with the caption "my husband has 18 girls on the side and apparently that not enough". Last month at a family dinner her and my mom decided to try to have an intervention. They asked how many was enough? I said 127. They both thru up their hands and refused to talk to me the rest of the day
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Very Good !
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Axle, Bearing, steering??? [message #248694 is a reply to message #248683] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 17:08 |
BRDRVR
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[quote title=James Hupy wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 16:25]David, how is she with math? Tell her to multiply $5000.00 × 127 and see
what she comes up with. That should make her head spin for a while trying
to figure out how best to spend that. (Grin)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
Jim. That's what I try to tell her but she only sees it as I loose money on every unit the first year. A first year ROI of 80% doesn't mean anything. I try to put in gardening terms that I'm planting money trees and that it take a season or 2 before it will bear fruit but that don't work either.
Ken I'm rolling thru Tallahassee now. Tryin to hit Tampa before dark.
David Gourdine
http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
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727-657-1955
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