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| [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248575] |
Sun, 27 April 2014 19:56  |
Patrick Flowers
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AOL this week decided to implement a strict DMARC anti-spam policy just as
Yahoo did earlier this month. We're studying options, but none of them
looks good at this point.
As a result of AOL's actions, we can no longer allow AOL email traffic
through the list server. AOL subscribers can help us by moving to a
different email provider.
Patrick
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248578 is a reply to message #248575] |
Sun, 27 April 2014 20:30  |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Patrick Flowers wrote on Sun, 27 April 2014 18:56 |
AOL this week decided to implement a strict DMARC anti-spam policy just as
Yahoo did earlier this month. We're studying options, but none of them
looks good at this point.
As a result of AOL's actions, we can no longer allow AOL email traffic
through the list server. AOL subscribers can help us by moving to a
different email provider.
Patrick
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That's very unfortunate Patrick and I understand your actions. I don't plan on switching after at least 15 to 20 years on AOL. Maybe some of my messages will show up when they are linked to the Forum which is what I use.
Bob de Kruyff
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Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248580 is a reply to message #248578] |
Sun, 27 April 2014 20:37 |
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Maybe the smart move is for everyone to become a forum user IF PRACITAL. I don't understand the issues or problems but the forum has worked far better for me than emailing did when I first started using the gmcnet in 2002.
Gene Barrow
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248582 is a reply to message #248578] |
Sun, 27 April 2014 20:38 |
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sun, 27 April 2014 18:30 |
| Patrick Flowers wrote on Sun, 27 April 2014 18:56 |
AOL this week decided to implement a strict DMARC anti-spam policy just as
Yahoo did earlier this month. We're studying options, but none of them
looks good at this point.
As a result of AOL's actions, we can no longer allow AOL email traffic
through the list server. AOL subscribers can help us by moving to a
different email provider.
Patrick
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That's very unfortunate Patrick and I understand your actions. I don't plan on switching after at least 15 to 20 years on AOL. Maybe some of my messages will show up when they are linked to the Forum which is what I use.
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I got caught up in the Yahoo debacle and thought the same thing. Then I decided to switch the GMC Net log-in to my virtually unused Gmail account. Now I'm back to my normal use of the Net, which is to read the email digest and post replies or new topics on the forum. It took some help from both Bdub and Eugene to accomplish this, and I was off for a couple of days, and I really missed it.
Carl Stouffer
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Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248583 is a reply to message #248575] |
Sun, 27 April 2014 20:43 |
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Patrick,
I'm responding to Patrick's post which is informing the list that America Online is blocking multiple address email traffic like Yahoo did a week or so ago. This has some ramifications for the list getting to email subscribers, but has no forum effects.
Sorry for the disruption this is causing. My address has stayed the same at aol since 1992 and dialup. Now no longer sending them bux every month, but like the longevity like Bob.
I find it a little inconvenient when my friends change their addresses willy nilly, it seems. I have an email forwarding service at bigfootdotcom, and that address will forward to my account, but I can't originate using that address. I can think of a possible workaround sending it to myself and forwarding but probably won't work. It looks like gmail for the forum, I guess. I have a few others. I think using popular address suffixes will put you on random address email robots. They will just send to every combination they can generate and those that aren't bounced they start spamming. An enormous waste of resources. But no skin off their back.
Best,
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248591 is a reply to message #248583] |
Sun, 27 April 2014 21:15 |
Ken Henderson
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I know a lot of folks don't like Google & GMail, but GMail has served me
very well for several years and can, I think solve the Yahoo!/AOL type
problem for everyone. I mostly use my bellsouth address so practically all
of my personal email comes to that address. But it's automatically
forwarded from bellsouth to my GMail account. Once there, it can be
segregated or melded with all my other mail. Emails which I originate can
show either the bellsouth address as the source, or the GMail address. If
I reply to an email, I have GMail set to reply "from" the address to which
that email was addressed.
So, Yahoo! and AOL users should be able to use GMail for GMCnet and not
have to give up, or even alter their use of their old addresses for all
other uses.
That flexibility is, to me, just a coincidental benefit because the other
feature of GMail such as by-subject sorting, easy filtering and
categorizing, and many other features are the real reasons I prefer GMail
to all the other email clients I've used.
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248598 is a reply to message #248587] |
Sun, 27 April 2014 22:51 |
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| emerystora wrote on Sun, 27 April 2014 20:56 |
I don't think that would work. It is my understanding that the forum gets its input from the GMC list. If people cannot get on the list with Yahoo or AO: then there would be no feed for the forum.
Emery Stora
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You were kidding, right? Either can work without the other. If the forum server goes AWOL, the mail list keeps on doing its thing, without the participation of the forum users, and if the email listserver goes AWOL, the forum keeps doing its thing without the participation of the mail subscribers. That is due to a magical "bridge" between the two that the sysadmins figured out. So if the listserver ignores the users from certain domains, everything (and everyone) else just presses on without them.
If too many email providers implement the protocol features that Yahoo started exercising, the only way for GMCNet to survive would be for everyone to migrate to the forum, because the listserver won't be able to function at all.
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248602 is a reply to message #248598] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 00:09 |
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Mark, you're right. But, in the interest of keeping everyone on the same
page and not splintering the GMCnet, AOL email addresses will not be allowed
on the Phorum either, just as Yahoo users. That's the way it has got to
work.
bdub
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emerystora wrote on Sun, 27 April 2014 20:56
> I don't think that would work. It is my understanding that the forum gets
its input from the GMC list. If people cannot get on the list with Yahoo or
AO: then there would be no feed for the forum.
You were kidding, right? Either can work without the other. If the forum
server goes AWOL, the mail list keeps on doing its thing, without the
participation of the forum users, and if the email listserver goes AWOL, the
forum keeps doing its thing without the participation of the mail
subscribers. That is due to a magical "bridge" between the two that the
sysadmins figured out. So if the listserver ignores the users from certain
domains, everything (and everyone) else just presses on without them.
If too many email providers implement the protocol features that Yahoo
started exercising, the only way for GMCNet to survive would be for everyone
to migrate to the forum, because the listserver won't be able to function at
all.
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248604 is a reply to message #248602] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 00:26 |
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| Billy Massey wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 00:09 |
Mark, you're right. But, in the interest of keeping everyone on the same page and not splintering the GMCnet, AOL email addresses will not be allowed on the Phorum either, just as Yahoo users. That's the way it has got to work.
bdub
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I get that. I am just saying that if too many email providers start mucking with the protocol like Yahoo, and now AOL, people that want to stick with the listserver process won't be able to because virtually all subscribers' domains will have to be rejected by the listserver. It is already affecting long time users that don't want to get and use a different account with a different provider in order to keep using the listserver. And it seems the most likely candidate to switch to is Gmail, which is also the next most likely giant to adopt the problem protocol. I hope the contributors on the listserver would rather use the forum than abandon GMCNet, because that could be the direction it has to go.
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248607 is a reply to message #248601] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 01:32 |
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Do not get too comfortable with Gmail or sending currently affected users there.
The kid next door was home visiting his parents when this Yahoo thing hit. He works for Google in I believe Mountain View, California. I discussed this with him and he said Google is also looking at doing something like Yahoo. I did not understand what their implementation was going to be.
One solution might be to set up an email server somewhere and use it for email. How about a new email address like "kenb@GMCnet.org". Email servers are simple to set up. The biggest problem is initially getting recognized by other servers. That only takes a few weeks.
As an example I use to have an email address of ken@ivotedforbush.com. I also know of two friends that run email servers in their homes. It also does not take much bandwidth because email is a low priority service behind interactive and streaming services.
The biggest problem is SPAM filtering. One of the local ISPs here use to publish their monthly filtering stats. A few years back their filtering numbers were in the 85% range. Meaning only 15% of mail received was actually sent on the the end user.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248611 is a reply to message #248609] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 01:57 |
Ken Burton
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It could be anywhere.
I have your stuff split apart and strapped down to the carrier on my Blazer. It took Heather and I a good 1.5 hours to get them separated but we got it. It is all wrapped up in a Harbor Freight tarp and ready to go.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248669 is a reply to message #248575] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 12:11 |
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Don't some of the other email services allow automatic mail forwarding
with your choice of whether to use their mail address or the original one
on the replies from your original email service?
Sounds confusing, the way I wrote it, but if it works, it would solve
some of the problems. No one would have to check xyz email and roi email
and tgl email to get their stuff, just their own Yahoo, or whatever.
Then on the replies the header would show xyz or whatever as the
originating service, and Yahoo wouldn't even have their name involved.
Ronc
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 00:26:22 -0500 A. <markbb1@netzero.com> writes:
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> Billy Massey wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 00:09
> > Mark, you're right. But, in the interest of keeping everyone on
> the same page and not splintering the GMCnet, AOL email addresses
> will not be allowed on the Phorum either, just as Yahoo users.
> That's the way it has got to work.
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> > bdub
> I get that. I am just saying that if too many email providers start
> mucking with the protocol like Yahoo, and now AOL, people that want
> to stick with the listserver process won't be able to because
> virtually all subscribers' domains will have to be rejected by the
> listserver. It is already affecting long time users that don't want
> to get and use a different account with a different provider in
> order to keep using the listserver. And it seems the most likely
> candidate to switch to is Gmail, which is also the next most likely
> giant to adopt the problem protocol. I hope the contributors on the
> listserver would rather use the forum than abandon GMCNet, because
> that could be the direction it has to go.
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248693 is a reply to message #248602] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 17:06 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Mark, you're right. But, in the interest of keeping everyone on the same
page and not splintering the GMCnet, AOL email addresses will not be allowed
on the Phorum either, just as Yahoo users. That's the way it has got to
work.
bdub
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Billy, I'm a bit confused over how this does or doesn't work. If I post to the forum from home using AOL, I get a mailing back that it isn't accepted even though my post appears to show up. However, when I post from work over Uhaul.net, I also get a rejection note and the post still winds up on the forum. Is this based strictly on the email I have listed on the Forum whether I use another provider or not?
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] AOL pulls a Yahoo [message #248705 is a reply to message #248693] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 18:08 |
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I received an update from AOL regarding spammers . My account was recently spoofed.
This is part of the message - and may explain why the new action
was taken.
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Although our investigation is still underway, we have determined that there was unauthorized access to AOL users' email addresses, postal addresses, contact information (as stored in the AOL Mail "Address Book"), encrypted account passwords, and encrypted answers to security questions that we ask when a user resets his or her password. We believe spammers have used this contact information to send spoofed emails that appeared to come from roughly 2% of our email accounts.
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Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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