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Tue, 15 April 2014 15:23  |
Robin Hood
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Muppet news flash: I have a new job!
I have left the VA and am now working for the law firm of Morgan and Morgan
(for the people!) as a big chunk of their VA Claims department. I am really
excited about helping Veterans from this side of the fence. If anyone has
any VA claims issues, feel free to reach out to me. Also, the firm does
personal injury, car wrecks, medical malpractice, and the usual stuff like
that, and while I don't know anything about those fields, if I bring a case
in the door, I get a nice little bonus if it ever pays out. :) (For
Mississippi Rules of Professional Responsibility purposes, the preceeding
is an annoucement of new affiliation only and is not intended to be lawyer
advertising).
I'm not sure if my disclaimer there protects me from the ire of the State
Bar. Ethics rules regarding advertising are complicated and a PITA.
Anyway, I'll be moving to JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA! Yaaaaaaay!
We have to pack up, sell the house, and move some time in the next six
months. As luck woudl have it, my older sister is also moving out of state,
and my mother wants her house emptied and sold.
That's an awful lot of moving.
Having spent a metric buttload of money with U-haul over the years renting
box trucks, and recognizing the distances and time it will take and the
relative costs involved, I have decided that it makes economic sense to
just buy a box truck. I have located down on the Gulf Coast, not too far
away from my fellow GMC pal Tom P. Hopefully he can let my wife and I base
out of their guest room later this week when I go pick up the truck.
THe truck is a 1986 GMC 7000 Medium Duty truck with a 366 Big Block
gasoline engine (not diesel) and a 5 speed manual with high/low. 166k miles
on it. 38 feet long, the "attic" extends all the way over the front bumper,
with a couple of support columns. It even has a "sleeper." Box is all
aluminum, so no rust or rot worries. Belts were done in 2011. Was a
furniture delivery truck. Will change oil and filters before we bring it
home.
One that that worries me is tires. I'm getting conflicting information
about age of tires, that maybe the compounds used in the big truck tires
aren't as prone to aging out after 7 years like passenger car and light
truck tires (as are found on our RVs). Does anybody have any knowledge in
that area? How old can the tires be on a Medium/heavy truck before they
need replacing, regardless of miles? Commercial truck tires are apparently
designed to be retreaded etc and last for hundreds of thousands of miles,
but I don't know how aging affects them. Advice?
--
Robin Hood
Jackson, MS
2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247510 is a reply to message #247507] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 15:43  |
lqqkatjon
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what size of tire? it is a crapshoot, seen some old rotten looking tires go for a long time past their days, and then a newer tire might blow.
also depends on how heavy you load, how fast you drive, and how hot it is when you do run down the road.
I do not think there is a law on tire dating, there will be lots of opinions. I would not worry at all if your tires are 6 years old or newer. after 6 year, I think all will have their own opinion.
back in the late 90's running some leased box trucks for a trailer home manufacturer. they were putting on some d rated tires, that we blew out alot of, even new. So make sure the tires have the correct load rating.
Jon Roche
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247513 is a reply to message #247507] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 16:00 |
JohnL455
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I'd be more concerned if they are split rims. Also if the tires have been run underinflated during their life. I'd say a good visual inspection is worth quite a bit towards peace of mind. If any consolation, my tire guy says at 7 years to keep inspecting and just keep running them. Be sure the kingpins are good on the truck. Good news is there are usually only 2 tie rod ends and 2 drag link ends to replace on a truck. Bad news is kingpins are expensive to have done.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247515 is a reply to message #247514] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 16:11 |
Jeff Marten
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If it has split rims, you'll want to get rid of them soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2exMOT0-9M
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 17:07:57 -0400
> From: loxley@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT)
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> THe guy did say somethign about "split rims". I must admit that I don't
> know what that means. He mentioned that he may have a line on some
> different rims that will let me run more common and cheaper rubber.
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> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:00 PM, John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com> wrote:
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> > I'd be more concerned if they are split rims. Also if the tires have been
> > run underinflated during their life. I'd say a good visual inspection is
> > worth quite a bit towards peace of mind. If any consolation, my tire guy
> > says at 7 years to keep inspecting and just keep running them. Be sure the
> > kingpins are good on the truck. Good news is there are usually only 2 tie
> > rod ends and 2 drag link ends to replace on a truck. Bad news is kingpins
> > are expensive to have done.
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> > Chicago, IL
> > 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247519 is a reply to message #247507] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 16:54 |
AStasunas
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Robin,
Welcome to Florida. We live in the Orlando area and have a nice club, GMC Sunshine Statesmen. We have Rally's each Month, Fall through Spring. Hope you join as I will look forward to meeting you. If you need any assistance, do not hesitate to contact me.
Regards,
Tony
"Vinnie"
1975 Eleganza,
Winter Springs, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247520 is a reply to message #247515] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 16:54 |
Hal StClair
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Michelin says you can go 10 years if you don't have excess cracking. They have a gauge you can use to compare the cracks and see if they are excessive or not. It's just a photo with different cracks you place on the tire to compare the cracks. The dealer will probably give you one if you ask.
There will be a date code on the tire, if you can find it, post it and I'm sure we can give you the date. It should be in an oval spot on the sidewall with the week and year of manufacture.
Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247524 is a reply to message #247520] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 17:14 |
Otterwan
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Robin - One caution on the 366 big block. This is the smallest big block GM ever made, and it is only made for trucks. The block is taller than most big blocks due to an extra oil ring, so only TTB (Tall Truck Block) intake manifolds will fit. Pistons, pushrods, etc are all different from other big blocks. I think it also uses a distributor with a longer shaft.
This engine hasn't been manufactured for nearly 20 years. If you don't drive it much, it should be fine, but you may have trouble getting parts for it.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247534 is a reply to message #247507] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 20:27 |
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You've gotten some good advice here. Among the better was the advice to
check the Michelin website. Great information there regardless of the
brand.
Medium and heavy truck tires aren't designed for sustained driving at
speeds above 65. You wouldn't know that from some of the guys driving the
rigs. It's one way to live dangerously, especially in the summer. The main
reason for seeing tire carcasses on the highway comes from a combination
of speed, tire pressure, and ambient heat. With the wrong balance the
sidewall will give way.
Therefore, be sure to have the tire pressure set for the weight you'll be
hauling and keep the speed below 65. You'll save fuel and save money.
Date code on a medium or heavy truck tire is a date code. The status of
the tire is inside where you can't see it. However, if you examine the
side walls and see no great sign of cracking from exposure to the sun,
don't worry too much. 10 years isn't too long. The main reason is that you
have a lot more plies on those tires than a light truck or auto tire.
Load range is important. However, another gauge for the tire is the size
for the carrying capacity. The wheel size is standard but the dimension is
where the difference is.
The rule of thumb for checking the tire temperature when stopped after
driving a highway speed for an hour is to walk around and feel the tread
with the flat of your hand. If it feels hot, sit still for a while. If you
can keep your hand on the tire and it just feel real warm, you're OK. Now
you know why guys walk around at truck stops with a hammer for checking
pressure quickly and feeling with the hand. If one doesn't sound or feel
right in comparison to the others, that's the one you'll have a problem
with.
Rule of thumb in my book is this: Good pressure, good sidewall, good
temperature, and safe speed equals good service.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowŠ
>One that that worries me is tires. I'm getting conflicting information
>about age of tires, that maybe the compounds used in the big truck tires
>aren't as prone to aging out after 7 years like passenger car and light
>truck tires (as are found on our RVs). Does anybody have any knowledge in
>that area? How old can the tires be on a Medium/heavy truck before they
>need replacing, regardless of miles? Commercial truck tires are apparently
>designed to be retreaded etc and last for hundreds of thousands of miles,
>but I don't know how aging affects them. Advice?
>
>--
> Robin Hood
>Jackson, MS
>2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
>1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
>1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
>1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247541 is a reply to message #247507] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 22:53 |
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USAussie
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Robin,
Congratulations on your new job, I assume your new position in the private sector will result in a few more "biccies" in your pay
check plus IIRC Florida doe not have a state income tax.
I'm probably demonstrating an acute grasp on the obvious but in your search for a new home I would try and find a piece of property
large enough where you could keep all your toys and not have a home owner association to battle!
On to the truck, I would suggest Tom P. go check the tires and see what they look like. He's a pedantic bastard like me and I'm sure
he'll provide excellent information on which the rest of the "hive mind' could make informed recommendations. He could take photos
like Bob de Kruyff did of the ones on the GMC that Tony is interested in.
Another point on the truck I would do some research on how to load a 38 foot truck with furniture; I'm SURE there's a right way and
a WRONG way! Bob de Kruyff could possibly provide some help in that area.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Hood
Muppet news flash: I have a new job!
I have left the VA and am now working for the law firm of Morgan and Morgan
(for the people!) as a big chunk of their VA Claims department. I am really
excited about helping Veterans from this side of the fence. If anyone has
any VA claims issues, feel free to reach out to me. Also, the firm does
personal injury, car wrecks, medical malpractice, and the usual stuff like
that, and while I don't know anything about those fields, if I bring a case
in the door, I get a nice little bonus if it ever pays out. :) (For
Mississippi Rules of Professional Responsibility purposes, the preceeding
is an annoucement of new affiliation only and is not intended to be lawyer
advertising).
I'm not sure if my disclaimer there protects me from the ire of the State
Bar. Ethics rules regarding advertising are complicated and a PITA.
Anyway, I'll be moving to JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA! Yaaaaaaay!
We have to pack up, sell the house, and move some time in the next six
months. As luck woudl have it, my older sister is also moving out of state,
and my mother wants her house emptied and sold.
That's an awful lot of moving.
Having spent a metric buttload of money with U-haul over the years renting
box trucks, and recognizing the distances and time it will take and the
relative costs involved, I have decided that it makes economic sense to
just buy a box truck. I have located down on the Gulf Coast, not too far
away from my fellow GMC pal Tom P. Hopefully he can let my wife and I base
out of their guest room later this week when I go pick up the truck.
THe truck is a 1986 GMC 7000 Medium Duty truck with a 366 Big Block
gasoline engine (not diesel) and a 5 speed manual with high/low. 166k miles
on it. 38 feet long, the "attic" extends all the way over the front bumper,
with a couple of support columns. It even has a "sleeper." Box is all
aluminum, so no rust or rot worries. Belts were done in 2011. Was a
furniture delivery truck. Will change oil and filters before we bring it
home.
One that that worries me is tires. I'm getting conflicting information
about age of tires, that maybe the compounds used in the big truck tires
aren't as prone to aging out after 7 years like passenger car and light
truck tires (as are found on our RVs). Does anybody have any knowledge in
that area? How old can the tires be on a Medium/heavy truck before they
need replacing, regardless of miles? Commercial truck tires are apparently
designed to be retreaded etc and last for hundreds of thousands of miles,
but I don't know how aging affects them. Advice?
--
Robin
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247546 is a reply to message #247507] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 23:31 |
Chr$
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ABF U Pack. they drop a container or a truck trailer on your doorstep. Pack, load at your leisure, call for transport, reverse on other end. I shipped two of their containers from Portland Or to PHX for $1,400 and a single is around $1,100. If they drop a trailer, you only pay for the linear feet you use. They then put a wall up and load out the rest with commercial LTL shipments.
I like U haul for short in-town needs, but tend to not use them since I own two Ford explorers and they won't rent me a trailer (but will rent to a Mercury Mountaineer / Lincoln Aviator owner). But if I need a box truck, they usually have a decent deal, just watch the miles... They hose you on that. There is no such thing as a $19.95 rental. More like $50-60.
You can also use freightquote.com, but the (independent owners/)drivers usually want you loaded in 8 hrs, and they hit the road balls to the wall and show up before it is possible without using a hyperdrive and then want you unloaded in half the time.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247549 is a reply to message #247507] |
Tue, 15 April 2014 23:38 |
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Robin, if you get a chance, send me the size and brand of the tires. Off hand I wouldn't worry too much about the truck. How many miles will you be driving. Larger trucks have split rims and it's common in commercial usage. Personally inflating any tire on any vehicle scares me, but the US moves on tires. As far as loading, my recommendation is to load heavy towards the front with heavy items as low as possible. It's also important to secure the load every 8 to 10 feet to prevent the load from shifting. There are several military sites that allow you to walk through your house and check mark what you have so that you will get a volume as well as an estimate of weight. It's very hard to overload a medium duty truck if you stick to household goods. Make sure you remove any DOT numbers if there are any since you are a private individual not subject to FMCSA inspections and guidelines--including interstae weigh stations.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247552 is a reply to message #247534] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 00:01 |
Ken Burton
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I spent a few months working midnights in the garage at a steel mill. Almost all I did was replace big tires. Split rims were about all we had. We had a great big cage made out of about 3/4" steel bars. We rolled the tires inside of it and attached an air chuck. Then we stood back and let it air up. One guy, not on my shift, had one blow apart. I was shocked at how much damage it caused to the cage.
I did not last too long there before I moved on. It was probably the worse job I ever had. I did knock over a metal light pole one night with a Clark strattle truck. It had no brakes when I went to pick it up and no one told me. They never found out it was me and it was still bent over at a 45 when I left there.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247560 is a reply to message #247549] |
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Bob,
Robin will still have to stop at the weigh stations though, won’t he?
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
On Apr 15, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM> wrote:
> Robin, if you get a chance, send me the size and brand of the tires. Off hand I wouldn't worry too much about the truck. How many miles will you be driving. Larger trucks have split rims and it's common in commercial usage. Personally inflating any tire on any vehicle scares me, but the US moves on tires. As far as loading, my recommendation is to load heavy towards the front with heavy items as low as possible. It's also important to secure the load every 8 to 10 feet to prevent the load from shifting. There are several military sites that allow you to walk through your house and check mark what you have so that you will get a volume as well as an estimate of weight. It's very hard to overload a medium duty truck if you stick to household goods. Make sure you remove any DOT numbers if there are any since you are a private individual not subject to FMCSA inspections and guidelines--including interstae weigh stations.
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> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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Wed, 16 April 2014 02:39 |
Ken Burton
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It varies by state.
Most weigh stations start at 13 ton - 26000 pounds.
I got stopped years ago for blowing by a weight station in Illinois in a Toyota pick up. I went by it every day coming home from work for several years but the sign did say "ALL trucks must enter scales".
Also in Illinois there are some weigh in motion scales in the driving lane just before the actual scale. Every time I go through the one on I-80 in a car it ignores me. When I go by it in the motor home it flashes a "bypass scales" sign. One time it gave me an "enter scale" sign. I ignored it and continued on. I think it must count axles while it is weighing.
Also CDL kicks in at 26000 pounds but I do not know if it applies to private owned trucks.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Wed, 16 April 2014 07:06 |
jhbridges
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Morgan & Morgan huh? Congrats. Locally their ads are less sleazy than several of the firms ("Ken got me $250,000" etc.) And is that truly her dog? Good looking pooch.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] I have a new job! Also, Heavy/medium truck tire age limits? (OT) [message #247572 is a reply to message #247560] |
Wed, 16 April 2014 08:08 |
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I'm not sure what the GVWR of the truck is, but robin may need a CDL. However, FMCSA specifically says that the private transportation of household goods is excluded from it's regulations. That applies to weigh stations on interstates and some local state roads may be different if monitred by local agencies. When the signs say "all trucks must stop" they usually mean commercial trucks. If thee truck does not display a DOT number, it is not a commercial truck. The CDL requirement is not related to whether the truck is commercial or not.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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