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[GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247204] Sat, 12 April 2014 07:50 Go to next message
Patrick Flowers is currently offline  Patrick Flowers   United States
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If you participate on the GMCnet Forum and use an email address, be
advised that your posts will not be delivered thru the email server. The
yahoo screw-up affects delivery to non-yahoo domains(see quoted paragraph
from the link below), actually causing non-yahoo subscribers to be removed
from the email list.

"With the new policy, when a Yahoo user sends an email to a mailing list,
the list’s server distributes that message to all subscribers, changing
the headers and breaking DMARC validation. List subscribers with email
accounts on servers that perform DMARC checks, such as Gmail, Hotmail
(Outlook.com), Comcast or Yahoo itself, will reject the original message
and respond back to the list with automated DMARC error messages."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html

Effective immediately, emails sent to the listserve from yahoo email
addresses(including those generated by the forum) will be sent to
moderation and rejected.

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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247205 is a reply to message #247204] Sat, 12 April 2014 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Flowers is currently offline  Patrick Flowers   United States
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That first line should read, "If you participate on the GMCnet Forum and
use a Yahoo email address"

On Sat, April 12, 2014 7:53 am, patrick@gmcmotorhome.com wrote:
> If you participate on the GMCnet Forum and use an email address, be
> advised that your posts will not be delivered thru the email server. The
> yahoo screw-up affects delivery to non-yahoo domains(see quoted paragraph
> from the link below), actually causing non-yahoo subscribers to be removed
> from the email list.
>
> "With the new policy, when a Yahoo user sends an email to a mailing list,
> the list’s server distributes that message to all subscribers, changing
> the headers and breaking DMARC validation. List subscribers with email
> accounts on servers that perform DMARC checks, such as Gmail, Hotmail
> (Outlook.com), Comcast or Yahoo itself, will reject the original message
> and respond back to the list with automated DMARC error messages."
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html
>
> Effective immediately, emails sent to the listserve from yahoo email
> addresses(including those generated by the forum) will be sent to
> moderation and rejected.

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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247211 is a reply to message #247204] Sat, 12 April 2014 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick, first let me thank you for your work in keeping this great thing working.

I'm confused however, by this post. I understand that EMAILS to/from yahoo can be a problem. I ONLY use the forum but have a yahoo email address in my profile. Does this mean that my posts from the forum won't go out to the list server. I don't have a problem using another email address if needed.


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247236 is a reply to message #247211] Sat, 12 April 2014 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Apr 12, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:

> I ONLY use the forum but have a yahoo email address in my profile. Does this mean that my posts from the forum won't go out to the list server.


Kerry, your post did show up on email list serve. Your email address is showing as @mchsi, not Yahoo.

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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247240 is a reply to message #247204] Sat, 12 April 2014 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick Flowers wrote on Sat, 12 April 2014 07:55

If you participate on the GMCnet Forum and use a Yahoo email address, be advised that your posts will not be delivered thru the email server. The yahoo screw-up affects delivery to non-yahoo domains(see quoted paragraph from the link below), actually causing non-yahoo subscribers to be removed from the email list.

"With the new policy, when a Yahoo user sends an email to a mailing list, the list’s server distributes that message to all subscribers, changing the headers and breaking DMARC validation. List subscribers with email accounts on servers that perform DMARC checks, such as Gmail, Hotmail (Outlook.com), Comcast or Yahoo itself, will reject the original message and respond back to the list with automated DMARC error messages."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html

Effective immediately, emails sent to the listserve from yahoo email addresses(including those generated by the forum) will be sent to moderation and rejected.

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Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server with a stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace "p=reject" to "p=none"?
Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247247 is a reply to message #247211] Sat, 12 April 2014 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Flowers is currently offline  Patrick Flowers   United States
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On Sat, April 12, 2014 8:38 am, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
>
>
> Patrick, first let me thank you for your work in keeping this great thing
> working.

You're welcome!

> I'm confused however, by this post. I understand that EMAILS to/from
> yahoo can be a problem. I ONLY use the forum but have a yahoo email
> address in my profile. Does this mean that my posts from the forum won't
> go out to the list server. I don't have a problem using another email
> address if needed.

It's a confusing issue. The problem basically is that yahoo has invoked a
strict SPF protocol. While this may affect delivery to yahoo, it has
downstream effects as well. ISPs that adhere to SPF will reject any email
from a yahoo address that's gone through the listserve as the headers no
longer match the SPF that yahoo has specified. Those will return to the
listserve as "bounces" attributed to the recipient, not the sender. Those
bounces will be interpreted by the listserve as invalid recipient
addresses and will be automatically removed.

In a nutshell, not only will the yahoo addresses be removed, but also
recipients with msn, comcast, gmail, hotmail, etc.

I hope that makes it a little clearer.

Patrick
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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247248 is a reply to message #247240] Sat, 12 April 2014 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Flowers is currently offline  Patrick Flowers   United States
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On Sat, April 12, 2014 1:14 pm, A. wrote:
>
> Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server with a
> stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace "p=reject" to "p=none"?

I don't think so. The listserve inserts its own headers and this "breaks"
yahoo's SPF settings.

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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247249 is a reply to message #247247] Sat, 12 April 2014 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick, sounds like a classic S.N.A.F.U. or CLUSTERFLOP to me. Any way
this has of straightening itself out anytime in the foreseeable future?
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
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On Apr 12, 2014 12:14 PM, <patrick@gmcmotorhome.com> wrote:

>
> On Sat, April 12, 2014 8:38 am, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
> >
> >
> > Patrick, first let me thank you for your work in keeping this great thing
> > working.
>
> You're welcome!
>
> > I'm confused however, by this post. I understand that EMAILS to/from
> > yahoo can be a problem. I ONLY use the forum but have a yahoo email
> > address in my profile. Does this mean that my posts from the forum won't
> > go out to the list server. I don't have a problem using another email
> > address if needed.
>
> It's a confusing issue. The problem basically is that yahoo has invoked a
> strict SPF protocol. While this may affect delivery to yahoo, it has
> downstream effects as well. ISPs that adhere to SPF will reject any email
> from a yahoo address that's gone through the listserve as the headers no
> longer match the SPF that yahoo has specified. Those will return to the
> listserve as "bounces" attributed to the recipient, not the sender. Those
> bounces will be interpreted by the listserve as invalid recipient
> addresses and will be automatically removed.
>
> In a nutshell, not only will the yahoo addresses be removed, but also
> recipients with msn, comcast, gmail, hotmail, etc.
>
> I hope that makes it a little clearer.
>
> Patrick
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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247250 is a reply to message #247249] Sat, 12 April 2014 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Flowers is currently offline  Patrick Flowers   United States
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On Sat, April 12, 2014 2:19 pm, James Hupy wrote:
> Patrick, sounds like a classic S.N.A.F.U. or CLUSTERFLOP to me. Any way
> this has of straightening itself out anytime in the foreseeable future?

Yup - it's a mess. Based on yahoo's track record, I'm not hopeful...

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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247274 is a reply to message #247248] Sat, 12 April 2014 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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Patrick Flowers wrote on Sat, 12 April 2014 14:20


On Sat, April 12, 2014 1:14 pm, A. wrote:
>
> Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server with a stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace "p=reject" to "p=none"?

I don't think so. The listserve inserts its own headers and this "breaks" yahoo's SPF settings.

Patrick
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I don't know much about email headers, but if the "p=" field is in the header of the message that the listserver is modifying, why wouldn't it just change "reject" to "none" and then the receiving mail servers won't reject (bounce) them. Problem solved.

I defer to people with more intimate knowledge of email protocols.
Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247315 is a reply to message #247274] Sat, 12 April 2014 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm no expert on any of this but it is my understanding that the "p=" field is an entry in the DNS. It is read directly from the
DNS server by the email programs. It does not appear in the email headers.

The link Patrick gave give some information on solving the problem.

Dave Mumert
'76 Eleganza II
Alberta, CA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of A.
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:12 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses
>
>
>
> Patrick Flowers wrote on Sat, 12 April 2014 14:20
> > On Sat, April 12, 2014 1:14 pm, A. wrote:
> > >
> > > Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server with a stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace
"p=reject" to
> "p=none"?
> >
> > I don't think so. The listserve inserts its own headers and this "breaks" yahoo's SPF settings.
> >
> > Patrick
> > --
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> > '73 CanyonLands
> > Tyrone GA
> I don't know much about email headers, but if the "p=" field is in the header of the message that the listserver is modifying, why
> wouldn't it just change "reject" to "none" and then the receiving mail servers won't reject (bounce) them. Problem solved.
>
> I defer to people with more intimate knowledge of email protocols.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247423 is a reply to message #247315] Mon, 14 April 2014 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Terry Taylor is currently offline  Terry Taylor   United States
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It is curious that this is occurring. I subscribe to MANY (north of 50)
Yahoo groups mailing lists and none of them are affected, I also get posts
from some other listserves and they seem to be coming in ok.

Just sayin'....



On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dave Mumert <dave@mumert.com> wrote:

>
> I'm no expert on any of this but it is my understanding that the "p="
> field is an entry in the DNS. It is read directly from the
> DNS server by the email programs. It does not appear in the email headers.
>
> The link Patrick gave give some information on solving the problem.
>
> Dave Mumert
> '76 Eleganza II
> Alberta, CA
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of A.
> > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:12 PM
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick Flowers wrote on Sat, 12 April 2014 14:20
> > > On Sat, April 12, 2014 1:14 pm, A. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server
> with a stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace
> "p=reject" to
> > "p=none"?
> > >
> > > I don't think so. The listserve inserts its own headers and this
> "breaks" yahoo's SPF settings.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > > --
> > > GMCnet Listmaster
> > > '73 CanyonLands
> > > Tyrone GA
> > I don't know much about email headers, but if the "p=" field is in the
> header of the message that the listserver is modifying, why
> > wouldn't it just change "reject" to "none" and then the receiving mail
> servers won't reject (bounce) them. Problem solved.
> >
> > I defer to people with more intimate knowledge of email protocols.
> >
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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247425 is a reply to message #247423] Mon, 14 April 2014 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As a member/moderator/owner of more than one yahoo group, i have not been made aware of any issues that would affect the yahoo group users. Of course Yahoo would make sure that their services are not affected so they can bragg about it when others are struggling.

Les Burt
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On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Terry Taylor <terry.n6mon@gmail.com> wrote:

It is curious that this is occurring. I subscribe to MANY (north of 50)
Yahoo groups mailing lists and none of them are affected, I also get posts
from some other listserves and they seem to be coming in ok.

Just sayin'....



> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dave Mumert <dave@mumert.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm no expert on any of this but it is my understanding that the "p="
> field is an entry in the DNS. It is read directly from the
> DNS server by the email programs. It does not appear in the email headers.
>
> The link Patrick gave give some information on solving the problem.
>
> Dave Mumert
> '76 Eleganza II
> Alberta, CA
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of A.
>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:12 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Flowers wrote on Sat, 12 April 2014 14:20
>>>> On Sat, April 12, 2014 1:14 pm, A. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server
> with a stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace
> "p=reject" to
>> "p=none"?
>>>
>>> I don't think so. The listserve inserts its own headers and this
> "breaks" yahoo's SPF settings.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> --
>>> GMCnet Listmaster
>>> '73 CanyonLands
>>> Tyrone GA
>> I don't know much about email headers, but if the "p=" field is in the
> header of the message that the listserver is modifying, why
>> wouldn't it just change "reject" to "none" and then the receiving mail
> servers won't reject (bounce) them. Problem solved.
>>
>> I defer to people with more intimate knowledge of email protocols.
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247428 is a reply to message #247425] Mon, 14 April 2014 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Terry Taylor is currently offline  Terry Taylor   United States
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PRECISELY my point!


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:

> As a member/moderator/owner of more than one yahoo group, i have not been
> made aware of any issues that would affect the yahoo group users. Of course
> Yahoo would make sure that their services are not affected so they can
> bragg about it when others are struggling.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Terry Taylor <terry.n6mon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is curious that this is occurring. I subscribe to MANY (north of 50)
> Yahoo groups mailing lists and none of them are affected, I also get posts
> from some other listserves and they seem to be coming in ok.
>
> Just sayin'....
>
>
>
> > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dave Mumert <dave@mumert.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm no expert on any of this but it is my understanding that the "p="
> > field is an entry in the DNS. It is read directly from the
> > DNS server by the email programs. It does not appear in the email
> headers.
> >
> > The link Patrick gave give some information on solving the problem.
> >
> > Dave Mumert
> > '76 Eleganza II
> > Alberta, CA
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> > gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of A.
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:12 PM
> >> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick Flowers wrote on Sat, 12 April 2014 14:20
> >>>> On Sat, April 12, 2014 1:14 pm, A. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server
> > with a stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace
> > "p=reject" to
> >> "p=none"?
> >>>
> >>> I don't think so. The listserve inserts its own headers and this
> > "breaks" yahoo's SPF settings.
> >>>
> >>> Patrick
> >>> --
> >>> GMCnet Listmaster
> >>> '73 CanyonLands
> >>> Tyrone GA
> >> I don't know much about email headers, but if the "p=" field is in the
> > header of the message that the listserver is modifying, why
> >> wouldn't it just change "reject" to "none" and then the receiving mail
> > servers won't reject (bounce) them. Problem solved.
> >>
> >> I defer to people with more intimate knowledge of email protocols.
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247430 is a reply to message #247428] Mon, 14 April 2014 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For what it is worth, I have cases open with both Yahoo
(clueless) and AT&T to look into this (I am retired AT&T and
know how to make noise internally, if necessary).


On 4/14/2014 5:07 PM, Terry Taylor wrote:
> PRECISELY my point!
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As a member/moderator/owner of more than one yahoo group, i have not been
>> made aware of any issues that would affect the yahoo group users. Of course
>> Yahoo would make sure that their services are not affected so they can
>> bragg about it when others are struggling.
>>
>> Les Burt
>> Montreal
>> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
>> A work in Progress
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Terry Taylor <terry.n6mon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is curious that this is occurring. I subscribe to MANY (north of 50)
>> Yahoo groups mailing lists and none of them are affected, I also get posts
>> from some other listserves and they seem to be coming in ok.
>>
>> Just sayin'....
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dave Mumert <dave@mumert.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm no expert on any of this but it is my understanding that the "p="
>>> field is an entry in the DNS. It is read directly from the
>>> DNS server by the email programs. It does not appear in the email
>> headers.
>>> The link Patrick gave give some information on solving the problem.
>>>
>>> Dave Mumert
>>> '76 Eleganza II
>>> Alberta, CA
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
>>> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of A.
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:12 PM
>>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Flowers wrote on Sat, 12 April 2014 14:20
>>>>>> On Sat, April 12, 2014 1:14 pm, A. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it be practical to preprocess all emails to the list server
>>> with a stream editor (such as SED) and globally replace
>>> "p=reject" to
>>>> "p=none"?
>>>>> I don't think so. The listserve inserts its own headers and this
>>> "breaks" yahoo's SPF settings.
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> --
>>>>> GMCnet Listmaster
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>>>>> Tyrone GA
>>>> I don't know much about email headers, but if the "p=" field is in the
>>> header of the message that the listserver is modifying, why
>>>> wouldn't it just change "reject" to "none" and then the receiving mail
>>> servers won't reject (bounce) them. Problem solved.
>>>> I defer to people with more intimate knowledge of email protocols.
>>>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Forum users with Yahoo email addresses [message #247432 is a reply to message #247428] Mon, 14 April 2014 19:24 Go to previous message
Patrick Flowers is currently offline  Patrick Flowers   United States
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As a former co-worker of mine liked to say, "Be careful not to ascribe malice
where incompetence is due..."

Yahoo's email system has been a mess for years. You wouldn't believe some of
the email hacks I've seen come through. The filters on GMCnet are good at
catching them(won't divulge "sources and methods" tho'...).

While it's not exactly uncommon for ISPs to attempt to shed server load by
cutting out list traffic, I'm pretty sure yahoo's gaff is plain old incompetence.

On 4/14/2014 8:07 PM, Terry Taylor wrote:
> PRECISELY my point!
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As a member/moderator/owner of more than one yahoo group, i have not been
>> made aware of any issues that would affect the yahoo group users. Of course
>> Yahoo would make sure that their services are not affected so they can
>> bragg about it when others are struggling.
>>
>> Les Burt
>> Montreal
>> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
>> A work in Progress
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Terry Taylor <terry.n6mon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is curious that this is occurring. I subscribe to MANY (north of 50)
>> Yahoo groups mailing lists and none of them are affected, I also get posts
>> from some other listserves and they seem to be coming in ok.
>>
>> Just sayin'....


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