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| [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247033] |
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Marc Hogenboom[2]
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HI All,
The transmission problems I had before leaving for Montgomery have turned into mysteries.
After installing a new vacuum pump all seemed to be well, I did a 50 mile test drive with several steep climbs and everything worked as supposed.
So Away we went. After stopping for propane after about 20 miles the transmission wouldn’t shift, so I put it manually in second and drove to the nearest auto parts store to get a new modulator.
Installed it and drove off. After a while and a couple of grades it flipped out of drive again. Tried adjusting the modulator, no change. Crawled on in second and tried to find a place to camp along a dirt road. Drove slowly for about 15 minutes on that dirt road, couldn’t find a spot and went back on the highway, still in second. Tried shifting up into drive and it held! Drove another couple of miles in D and found a camping spot.
Decided to go on the next day and see what would happen, driving not to fast and trying to keep the trans fluid as cool as possible.
Second day, no problems cruising at 55-60 mph.
Third day, after stop and go traffic in Pecos Tx. It flipped out of D again. Connected the vacuum line directly from the pump to the modulator, no change. In second to Davis State Park where we camped.
Next day, no problems! Only when we had a lot of up and down on steep short grades did it happen once more.
The problem seems to be temperature related, as we had been driving a little faster to keep up with traffic, and trans fluid temp got to be a little higher.
The rest of the trip we had no more problems.
On the last stretch of the way we had a lot off climbing, going from 2000 to 6500 ft. altitude without any problem, so now I don’t know what to think anymore.
Manny asked if there also was a problem with reverse, I said no. Later I found that reverse will give kind of a quiver when backing up against a slope. First I thought is was loss of traction on gravel, but than it happened on blacktop too.
Hoping for your input
Marc Hogenboom
‘73 Painted Desert TDI
Madrid NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247038 is a reply to message #247037] |
Thu, 10 April 2014 17:03  |
George B.
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Maybe too simple suggestion but I had a similar problem and it ended up being the linkage on the left side of the trans. Was slipping on and off the shaft as a pin was broken
George Butts
Las Vegas Nevada
73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven
71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247100 is a reply to message #247041] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 10:06 |
Marc Hogenboom[2]
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Sure sounds like a possibility, but how will I be sure?
Must be a hairline crack, so how will I be able to see that?
Marc Hogenboom
"73 Painted Desert TDI
Madrid NM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie
My guess ...a crack in the valve body pan.
Heats up and crack spreads, pressure islost and drops into second. Cools
down or driving in cooler conditions....stays in Drive.
All based on personal experience.
JWIT
Mike in NS
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:04 PM, GEORGE BUTTS <george.b@reagan.com> wrote:
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> Maybe too simple suggestion but I had a similar problem and it ended up
> being the linkage on the left side of the trans. Was slipping on and off
> the shaft as a pin was broken
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> Apple Valley Calif.
> 73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247117 is a reply to message #247033] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 12:30 |
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Not sure if this is the same symptoms as yours, but here is my experience. When Dick P. rebuilt my engine, I bought a rebuilt transmission from him as well. Next spring upon leaving the driveway on the way to the first rally of the season, the tranny would not shift from first. The speedo was working so I knew it was not the plastic governor gear.
I found though pulling it to S it would change to second, then moving the shifter back to D it would go to third. Sometimes though it would shift normally.
Dick put me in touch with his tranny guy and we made an appointment. It was a 3 hour drive there, but it only acted up twice getting there. He changed out the modulator and if I remember correctly it acted up once on the test drive.
He took down the pan and checked everything. He found the plunger which the modulator works against would periodically stick. He cleaned it so that it moved freely and replaced the filter. Then he filled the tranny with Amsoil synthetic transmission fluid.
I've had no problems since.
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247191 is a reply to message #247117] |
Sat, 12 April 2014 01:05 |
jimk
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Marc,
Your engine is a diesel, right?
If it is, it could be related to the switch on the throttle that limit the
vacuum.
Jim K
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:
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> Not sure if this is the same symptoms as yours, but here is my experience.
> When Dick P. rebuilt my engine, I bought a rebuilt transmission from him
> as well. Next spring upon leaving the driveway on the way to the first
> rally of the season, the tranny would not shift from first. The speedo was
> working so I knew it was not the plastic governor gear.
>
> I found though pulling it to S it would change to second, then moving the
> shifter back to D it would go to third. Sometimes though it would shift
> normally.
>
> Dick put me in touch with his tranny guy and we made an appointment. It
> was a 3 hour drive there, but it only acted up twice getting there. He
> changed out the modulator and if I remember correctly it acted up once on
> the test drive.
> He took down the pan and checked everything. He found the plunger which
> the modulator works against would periodically stick. He cleaned it so
> that it moved freely and replaced the filter. Then he filled the tranny
> with Amsoil synthetic transmission fluid.
>
> I've had no problems since.
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
> Hubler 1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247239 is a reply to message #247033] |
Sat, 12 April 2014 12:34 |
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burtco99
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Marc,
Is it possible that your shifter cable is just slightly out of adjustment?
This is easily confirmed the next time the transmission doesn't want to shift out of 2nd gear by just slightly moving the shifter from D to N in small increments until either the tranny upshifts, or goes to neutral. If it upshifts, question the adjustment, if it goes into Neutral, keep looking elsewhere.
Please do the test at light throttle for obvious reasons!
My thought is that a slightly stiff cable could react differently under varying temps, resulting in the lever at the transmission end not always falling fully into the D detent, but close enough to work when cold. As the cable heats up, it may be moving the linkage farther out of the D detent to prevent an upshift. I could be wrong, as I am not an expert on the valve body and how it functions, but the idea might be worth investigating.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247266 is a reply to message #247239] |
Sat, 12 April 2014 17:20 |
Marc Hogenboom[2]
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Les, it probably is, bit I can feel a distinct catch when shifting into
gear.
That also happens when I upshift from 2nd to D when I am experiencing these
problems. There is an upshift and than it downshifts again.
So I guess that’s not it.
Marc Hogenboom
"73 Painted Desert TDI
Madrid NM
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From: Les Burt
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:34 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie
Marc,
Is it possible that your shifter cable is just slightly out of adjustment?
This is easily confirmed the next time the transmission doesn't want to
shift out of 2nd gear by just slightly moving the shifter from D to N in
small increments until either the tranny upshifts, or goes to neutral. If it
upshifts, question the adjustment, if it goes into Neutral, keep looking
elsewhere.
Please do the test at light throttle for obvious reasons!
My thought is that a slightly stiff cable could react differently under
varying temps, resulting in the lever at the transmission end not always
falling fully into the D detent, but close enough to work when cold. As the
cable heats up, it may be moving the linkage farther out of the D detent to
prevent an upshift. I could be wrong, as I am not an expert on the valve
body and how it functions, but the idea might be worth investigating.
--
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247297 is a reply to message #247033] |
Sat, 12 April 2014 21:16 |
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| Marc Hogenboom[2 |
wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 15:27]HI All,
The transmission problems I had before leaving for Montgomery have turned into mysteries.
After installing a new vacuum pump all seemed to be well, I did a 50 mile test drive with several steep climbs and everything worked as supposed.
So Away we went. After stopping for propane after about 20 miles the transmission wouldn't shift, so I put it manually in second and drove to the nearest auto parts store to get a new modulator.
Installed it and drove off. After a while and a couple of grades it flipped out of drive again. Tried adjusting the modulator, no change. Crawled on in second and tried to find a place to camp along a dirt road. Drove slowly for about 15 minutes on that dirt road, couldn't find a spot and went back on the highway, still in second. Tried shifting up into drive and it held! Drove another couple of miles in D and found a camping spot.
Decided to go on the next day and see what would happen, driving not to fast and trying to keep the trans fluid as cool as possible.
Second day, no problems cruising at 55-60 mph.
Third day, after stop and go traffic in Pecos Tx. It flipped out of D again. Connected the vacuum line directly from the pump to the modulator, no change. In second to Davis State Park where we camped.
Next day, no problems! Only when we had a lot of up and down on steep short grades did it happen once more.
The problem seems to be temperature related, as we had been driving a little faster to keep up with traffic, and trans fluid temp got to be a little higher.
The rest of the trip we had no more problems.
On the last stretch of the way we had a lot off climbing, going from 2000 to 6500 ft. altitude without any problem, so now I don't know what to think anymore.
Manny asked if there also was a problem with reverse, I said no. Later I found that reverse will give kind of a quiver when backing up against a slope. First I thought is was loss of traction on gravel, but than it happened on blacktop too.
Hoping for your input
Marc Hogenboom
'73 Painted Desert TDI
Madrid NM
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Where are you getting your vacuum signal from? If you have a vacuum pump on a diesel, the vacuum modulator is useless. It is meant to give a signal based on vacuum and engine load.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247306 is a reply to message #247033] |
Sat, 12 April 2014 21:59 |
George Beckman
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| Marc Hogenboom[2 |
wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 14:27]HI All,
The transmission problems I had before leaving for Montgomery have turned into mysteries.
The problem seems to be temperature related, as we had been driving a little faster to keep up with traffic, and trans fluid temp got to be a little higher.
The rest of the trip we had no more problems.
On the last stretch of the way we had a lot off climbing, going from 2000 to 6500 ft. altitude without any problem, so now I don't know what to think anymore.
Hoping for your input
Marc Hogenboom
'73 Painted Desert TDI
Madrid NM
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Marc,
I had a sort of similar situation. However, when my transmission would slip back into Second gear, it was freewheeling. In other words, if I was gaining speed or keeping speed the tach was registering RPMs that would be Second gear ratios. However if I let off the gas, the tach went to idle. I found out later that this meant a band (I think the first one out when the trans comes apart) was slipping. I think GMs term is "no engine braking'.
For me it was also heat related but as the band slowly wore, it got progressively worse. When this all started, it would happen only occasionally. Near the end it was in Second almost every time it was not pulling hard. Sometimes starting down a hill, I would not notice, but even though it was supposed to be in drive, the coach sped up abnormally due to it being in "neutral" for all intents and purposes. Pressing on the gas revealed that at least part of the transmission mechanics was in Second gear.
If I gently moved the shifter into neutral and back into drive sometimes it would shift up again. As I mentioned, near the end, it would slip back to Second in a moment or a mile, depending on how it felt.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247328 is a reply to message #247306] |
Sun, 13 April 2014 14:44 |
Marc Hogenboom[2]
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George, what was the cause of the band slipping and what was done to fix it?
Marc Hogenboom
'73 Painted Desert TDI
Madrid NM
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From: George Beckman
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:59 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie
Marc,
I had a sort of similar situation. However, when my transmission would slip
back into Second gear, it was freewheeling. In other words, if I was gaining
speed or keeping speed the tach was registering RPMs that would be Second
gear ratios. However if I let off the gas, the tach went to idle. I found
out later that this meant a band (I think the first one out when the trans
comes apart) was slipping. I think GMs term is "no engine braking'.
For me it was also heat related but as the band slowly wore, it got
progressively worse. When this all started, it would happen only
occasionally. Near the end it was in Second almost every time it was not
pulling hard. Sometimes starting down a hill, I would not notice, but even
though it was supposed to be in drive, the coach sped up abnormally due to
it being in "neutral" for all intents and purposes. Pressing on the gas
revealed that at least part of the transmission mechanics was in Second
gear.
If I gently moved the shifter into neutral and back into drive sometimes it
would shift up again. As I mentioned, near the end, it would slip back to
Second in a moment or a mile, depending on how it felt.
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'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] transmission mysterie [message #247357 is a reply to message #247328] |
Sun, 13 April 2014 23:19 |
George Beckman
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wrote on Sun, 13 April 2014 12:44]George, what was the cause of the band slipping and what was done to fix it?
Marc Hogenboom
'73 Painted Desert TDI
Madrid NM
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Marc,
I tried a private message and this system tells me you don't exist... curious because I clicked on PM while looking at your profile.
send me an e-mail at gbeckman at pggp dot com and I will let you know what I "think" we found.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #259806 is a reply to message #247033] |
Sat, 23 August 2014 07:25 |
Jim at the Co-op
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I really do wantt to end this theead and it looks like we all agree. I take that as some % of support I would even be happy with ATP support.
I would like to leave this though ans say its true 95% of crap usually come from 5% of the population and this forum and the GMC community is no different. Most do feel that "life is too short" and I agree but let that 5% continuously get away with it causes the rest of us to live with these punks. I choose to not live with their crap... life IS too short for that!
Many call me a loose cannon, I say I just can't put up with these people. I don't just participate here as a business man, I own 3 1/2 coaches that move with a field of dreams out back. I would submit I am a pretty sick on these machines so you must undersrand its hard for me to walk away. People put up with thing by saying "I only have to put up withh crap for a small amount of time, for me its a large part of my day. I take all this serious---- when you were in business didn't you take your job seriously? That's where I am on this. My "farm" is all in, I am not retired thus this is my life.
Please excuse some of my enthusiasm. Someone attaches me issues need to be very clear. This is how you get good at this stuff.
One last thing, I have an AA general,I was taking an EE program and got frustrated sticking probes in lemons. I wanted to get on with it. My experiences have first person and hands on. The best teacher is failure. It is awesome degreed guys got their sheepskin and I respect them but hands on has given me what I have and I am pleased with my understanding. I can at least tell you what to NOT do and that's alote. I have been professionally engaged directly with the GMC motorhome so I can tell you a bunch. This is what I can offer the community. I do that and enjoy that I can do something to help. I guess support is important to me because doing what I do the way I do will not make me rich with a fat retirement. Most peopl would not take the path I have to the end of my working days. Many call this an economic mistake, "Be Here Now". My best buddy from high school passed away at 59, I am 59. His last words to me was "do it now" because tomorrow may not be there. Life is serious, be serious about living it.
Jim Bounds
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From: Jared
Date: 08/22/2014 7:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Transmission
I'll take the heat...... anyone wanna argue about Canasians again?
Just Kidding, hoping this gives everyone a laugh.
Back away from the PC... take a deep breath... go fire up the barbeque... have a beer while waiting for the burger to cook. Life is to short...
My humble opinion guys.
Jared
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #259831 is a reply to message #247033] |
Sat, 23 August 2014 14:45 |
Jim at the Co-op
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Boy, there are some negative vibrations in THAT post! If you were to come at me like that I may not talk ve ry long.
Tell ya what, ask me your questions here. It may keep the timber of our communication positive.
I get so many calls and posts the cracks are wide in the floor. Sorry , I am at work 5 days from 9-5. Where else would I be. If you call the Fire Fight "hot line" you will be dailing my personal cell phone, call the office the message wil give you that number. I am on call 24/7 and there is no one I screen.
Anything else you are not happy about with me,
Jim Bounds
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From: Jerry Wheeler
Date: 08/23/2014 11:22 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Transmission
JIm Bounds,
How about answering a personal email I sent to your yahoo mailbox about the
Jasper engine I purchased thru you in 2006. I have sent two emails in the
last week. You seem to find the time to post on this thread. Also, I
sent two emails to you asking a question about the 2 fire extinguishers I
purchased at the Dixie Landers Bean Station rally 18 months ago (no answer
to these either). Am I one of those you ignore, even tho I still purchase
items from you. You can call me at 541-260-3941 if that media is better.
JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Tom McManus wrote:
> My side of the story.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcq6bA8HIRM&feature=youtu.be
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #260224 is a reply to message #247033] |
Wed, 27 August 2014 10:28 |
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Pistons are specified to be 8.9 Federal Mogle pistons. How has it been running. IJASPER AND I HAD TO PART WA
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From: Jerry Wheeler
Date: 08/27/2014 10:57 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Transmission
Jim,
You are reading and responding to this thread, so I'll ask my question
about the Jasper motor I bought thru your Jasper motor program in 2006. I
did send a 3rd email to your Yahoo mail account several days ago, but,
again, you have not found the time to respond.
I pulled the plugs from this motor, which now has 6k+ miles. They were all
a nice tan color. I then did a compression check and the low cylinder was
215, the high was 230, the other 6 were either 220 or 225. My questions
are: Did you order a high compression motor for me and if so, why?? What
should I be concerned about going forward with this high compression motor??
JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jim Bounds
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> I think I can add something that will clear up most of this. I had not
> wanted to waste my time looking at the You Tube video. I did, shows I
> really need to watch how sly things can be.
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> The reason the top edge of the filter is rounded ouff even beveled smooth
> is important. You instasll the seal first in the hole of the transmission
> with a little ATF on it. THEN you push in the filter. This allows the
> seal to take purchase on both the pipe and the walls of the hole. This
> cannot happen if you place the seal on the tube then serve it in. That
> way, the seal is not in the bore of the opening. The filter cannot fall
> down and with the seal not at the bottom of the opening it can do it's
> job. Of course the filter install would besloppy, the seal didn't take
> purchase. How can a slip in metal on metal surface hold from being sloppy,
> it is not an interference fit!
>
> The seal will not loose it's seal, there is @ 1/2 mating surface on the
> pipe and the entire bore of the hole in the case.
>
> As far as removing a filter from a clear plastic bag coming out of an ATP
> filter box is totally not true. ATP does not pack their filters in a
> plastic bag---- period! So really who did the filter come from-- more
> importantly where did the clear plastic bag with "made in China" come from
> and why was it pulled out of an ATP box?
>
> All of this is not from what I said, this is all obvious. See a video CAN
> show something other than the truth. Hope the filter has been sent to ATP,
> we will get a little closer to the truth with that
>
> Jim Bounds
> --------------------------------
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bounds
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like we will have to continue to toss muddd around. Guys I'm sorry
>> this dirty laundry will not go away but I too have been in contact with
> ATP
>> actually talking to the same department head as you have and I will tell
>> you now the ATP brand B-40 transmission filters are NOT made in China and
>> reboxed here in the states. You don't have to take my word for it, if
> that
>> were the cast our government compels manufacturers to divulge that
>> information on the box or on the product itself. Look at any B-40 box,
>> don't really care where you get it from, the filter is not packaged in a
>> plastic bag, certainly not one that says "made in China". Even if it
> were
>> reboxed, you must say that. The pic of the filter shown in the plastic
> bag
>> is not an ATP filter, the one taken from his transmission was and it IS
>> made in the USA. These are not debatable or misinterpreted facts, they
> are
>> real.
>>
>> Do not start a rumour that there is a manufacturing run defect, these
>> filters have been made to the exact same specifications here in the US
> of A
>> for many years, there have been no deviations in their design or
>> manufacture whatsoever and ATP is most interested in getting the filter
> we
>> put in the transmission to verify all of this. Since a pic has been
>> presented of the filter in question and it has already been visually
>> identified as their filter we really need to have it sent to ATP for
> their
>> first person evaluation. THAT will clear all of this up, no he said she
>> said-- no speculation or roumous-- just the facts mam...
>>
>> Stop it, emotion got the better of you, there are no conspiracy theories
>> here, no defective production runs, no one trying to blitz anyone ripping
>> them off just an upset man because he is not treating people the way he
>> would like to be treated. hey, maybe he does want to be treated that way
>> and maybe he thinks this is the way life should be. Maybe he has to be
> mad
>> at someone all the time. Stop it, it's making you look --- well, no need
>> to say it. Send ATP the filter and lets getthis settled. It's pretty
> easy
>> to see through the smoke here
>>
>> Jim Bounds
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Tom McManus wrote:
>>
>>> dpottebaum wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 19:54
>>>> I had a problem with an ATP filter too. I purchased it on 9/11/2013.
>>> Not sure when the ATP filter in question was purchased, but maybe we've
>>>> bumped into some bad production runs. I never measured the neck, but
>>> it rattled around like yours did in the YouTube video. I still have
> the box
>>>> the filter came in, but pitched the filter. Is there a batch number
> on
>>> the box that we could compare?
>>>
>>>
>>> No batch number. According to ATP, the filters are made in China and
>>> boxed here in the USA.
>>> --
>>> Tom McManus
>>> 1973 30' Canyon Lands
>>> Chesapeake VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #260225 is a reply to message #247033] |
Wed, 27 August 2014 10:38 |
Jim at the Co-op
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Location: Orlando Florida
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Sorry, pushed the wrong button.
How does it run. ... again. Jasper built us good motors and aft err the breakin everything was fine. Our problem was they only dry ran the motors before shipping which did not pick up any initial problems. Initial failures were hi because of that. They could not sustain the warranty issues from these initial failures. We now build motors with Drew Koba and 2 other builders checking all parts, the machining, assembly and thr actual run in on a Toro front clip.
From sitting around, the umbrella seals may have hardened up causing a small amount of oil to enter the cylinders. Motors need to be used to keep running well. Your seals may be an issue. Do a compression and leak down test. If they are the same, that could be the issue. Usually I see - 160 psi on a fresh motor, yours can no longer be considered "fresh", been sitting too long. Go drive it,
Jim Bounds
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------
From: Jerry Wheeler
Date: 08/27/2014 10:57 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Transmission
Jim,
You are reading and responding to this thread, so I'll ask my question
about the Jasper motor I bought thru your Jasper motor program in 2006. I
did send a 3rd email to your Yahoo mail account several days ago, but,
again, you have not found the time to respond.
I pulled the plugs from this motor, which now has 6k+ miles. They were all
a nice tan color. I then did a compression check and the low cylinder was
215, the high was 230, the other 6 were either 220 or 225. My questions
are: Did you order a high compression motor for me and if so, why?? What
should I be concerned about going forward with this high compression motor??
JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jim Bounds
wrote:
> I think I can add something that will clear up most of this. I had not
> wanted to waste my time looking at the You Tube video. I did, shows I
> really need to watch how sly things can be.
>
> The reason the top edge of the filter is rounded ouff even beveled smooth
> is important. You instasll the seal first in the hole of the transmission
> with a little ATF on it. THEN you push in the filter. This allows the
> seal to take purchase on both the pipe and the walls of the hole. This
> cannot happen if you place the seal on the tube then serve it in. That
> way, the seal is not in the bore of the opening. The filter cannot fall
> down and with the seal not at the bottom of the opening it can do it's
> job. Of course the filter install would besloppy, the seal didn't take
> purchase. How can a slip in metal on metal surface hold from being sloppy,
> it is not an interference fit!
>
> The seal will not loose it's seal, there is @ 1/2 mating surface on the
> pipe and the entire bore of the hole in the case.
>
> As far as removing a filter from a clear plastic bag coming out of an ATP
> filter box is totally not true. ATP does not pack their filters in a
> plastic bag---- period! So really who did the filter come from-- more
> importantly where did the clear plastic bag with "made in China" come from
> and why was it pulled out of an ATP box?
>
> All of this is not from what I said, this is all obvious. See a video CAN
> show something other than the truth. Hope the filter has been sent to ATP,
> we will get a little closer to the truth with that
>
> Jim Bounds
> --------------------------------
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bounds
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like we will have to continue to toss muddd around. Guys I'm sorry
>> this dirty laundry will not go away but I too have been in contact with
> ATP
>> actually talking to the same department head as you have and I will tell
>> you now the ATP brand B-40 transmission filters are NOT made in China and
>> reboxed here in the states. You don't have to take my word for it, if
> that
>> were the cast our government compels manufacturers to divulge that
>> information on the box or on the product itself. Look at any B-40 box,
>> don't really care where you get it from, the filter is not packaged in a
>> plastic bag, certainly not one that says "made in China". Even if it
> were
>> reboxed, you must say that. The pic of the filter shown in the plastic
> bag
>> is not an ATP filter, the one taken from his transmission was and it IS
>> made in the USA. These are not debatable or misinterpreted facts, they
> are
>> real.
>>
>> Do not start a rumour that there is a manufacturing run defect, these
>> filters have been made to the exact same specifications here in the US
> of A
>> for many years, there have been no deviations in their design or
>> manufacture whatsoever and ATP is most interested in getting the filter
> we
>> put in the transmission to verify all of this. Since a pic has been
>> presented of the filter in question and it has already been visually
>> identified as their filter we really need to have it sent to ATP for
> their
>> first person evaluation. THAT will clear all of this up, no he said she
>> said-- no speculation or roumous-- just the facts mam...
>>
>> Stop it, emotion got the better of you, there are no conspiracy theories
>> here, no defective production runs, no one trying to blitz anyone ripping
>> them off just an upset man because he is not treating people the way he
>> would like to be treated. hey, maybe he does want to be treated that way
>> and maybe he thinks this is the way life should be. Maybe he has to be
> mad
>> at someone all the time. Stop it, it's making you look --- well, no need
>> to say it. Send ATP the filter and lets getthis settled. It's pretty
> easy
>> to see through the smoke here
>>
>> Jim Bounds
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Tom McManus wrote:
>>
>>> dpottebaum wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 19:54
>>>> I had a problem with an ATP filter too. I purchased it on 9/11/2013.
>>> Not sure when the ATP filter in question was purchased, but maybe we've
>>>> bumped into some bad production runs. I never measured the neck, but
>>> it rattled around like yours did in the YouTube video. I still have
> the box
>>>> the filter came in, but pitched the filter. Is there a batch number
> on
>>> the box that we could compare?
>>>
>>>
>>> No batch number. According to ATP, the filters are made in China and
>>> boxed here in the USA.
>>> --
>>> Tom McManus
>>> 1973 30' Canyon Lands
>>> Chesapeake VA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>>
>>
>>
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