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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246220 is a reply to message #246219] Wed, 02 April 2014 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dwayne jacobson[1] is currently offline  dwayne jacobson[1]   United States
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Hi Les;
It really was a pleasure meeting you and your wife while we headed across
Canada. Also a Delight to go to your place and see your GMC project. I
learned a valuable lesson from you that I may not of fully realized had I
not met you. The Lesson for me is never take on a total restoration
project due to the lack of automotive repair experience.
Not to dash your hope in getting your coach on the road to join in the fun,
a year previous I had visited another ambitious GMC restoration Guru -
Steve Southworth and viewed his dismantled Coach and the joy of knowing 3
years later he is joining us on the Route 66 Rolling Rally.

So I wish you well as you proceed to finish your Coach.

Best regards
Dwayne and Sharon Jacobson
77 Kingsley


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:

> The confrontational individuals do not bother me that much, but it does
> affect the atmosphere of this group. More and more we are seeing that some
> members are hesitant to post for fear of ridicule or just to generally
> avoid confrontation. That is a situation that we all collectively need to
> focus on and find some way to improve. We need all the positive
> contribution and participation possible if we want to survive here. We all
> loose if we stop providing valuable info just because one individual
> disagrees and becomes confrontational over it.
>
> I learned a big lesson this past week or so. Hopefully I won't repeat my
> mistakes.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:44 PM, "Robert Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
> Les,
>
> Just don't let the confrontational individuals suck you into arguments any
> more; consider the source and remember; "sticks and
> stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me!" ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Burt
>
> > On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Tony <Ultravanman248@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anyways, I treat some post or posters like I do unwanted commercials. I
> ignore them and change the station.
> > Life is way too short. Why sweat the small stuff.
>
> That appears to be what many people do here, and although it is not the
> best way, it works. The downside is that blocking a specific
> person or a specific thread means we may be missing some valuable info
> that was shared, even though we may not like the person it
> comes from.
>
> After spending the weekend thinking over the most recent events that
> started this thread, I feel I need to express a concern that I
> have over the future of this group.
>
> I have yet to encounter a member here that hasn't had a genuine need for
> help, or provided some help at some point. We all deserve
> the right to participate in this group, but we also deserve the right to
> do so in a civil environment. It is up to all of us to make
> sure that happens, but to do so means we need to understand and follow
> some basic rules. I haven't gone looking for GMCnet rules on
> member conduct and behavior etc, so I do not know if any actually exist.
> If they do exist, perhaps inviting everyone to read and
> familiarize themselves with those rules would go a long way towards a
> friendlier environment here. If there are no such rules in
> writing, should we not develop some?
>
> Since I became a member here only a few years ago, discussions have been
> more or less self regulating. This works in most cases, but
> has not in others. I am aware of the expulsion of one individual who
> caused a ruckus even though he was a big contributor to the
> group. I am also aware of several valuable contributors that have left
> because they were fed up with some of the uncontrolled
> "snarkiness" and general unfriendly remarks directed at some of our
> members.
>
> Do we continue as we always have and risk loosing more very knowledgeable
> members? Or do we make the rules more clear to those who
> feel the need to be confrontational, with the risk of loosing their
> valuable input? We need to ask ourselves as a group what we
> value more?
>
> Les Burt
>
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246224 is a reply to message #245597] Wed, 02 April 2014 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike,

I sympathize with you on the television situation. For a problem solver, it is aggravating to see people who can't solve their problems.

I wonder if you could comment on the value of oil cooling, having a separate cooler. At what temperature does synthetic oil start having problems? I don't have an external cooler, and though I have some unwanted metals in my oil analysis, Blackwood says no evidence of overheated oil. Running Mobil 1, now Shell 10w50 synthetic. If I have no evidence of overheated oil, do I need a cooler? Emery says he deleted his oil temperature gauge because it tracked the coolant temperature so closely it was redundant.

What do you think?

Carey


Carey from Ennis, Texas 78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.

[Updated on: Wed, 02 April 2014 19:52]

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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246225 is a reply to message #246220] Wed, 02 April 2014 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC.LES is currently offline  GMC.LES   United States
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Thanks Dwayne,
We also enjoyed meeting with you and Sharon. You haven't dashed my hopes. And yes a big restoration is certainly not for everyone. I took this project on fully knowing it was going to be several years so I did not set any objectives time-wise. My only goal is to build it right and build it once. Being in the midst of some major house & garage renovations, raising a family, and working full time just doesn't leave much time or $$ for other projects, so our coach rebuild has been put on hold more than once. We have planned to tackle the frame work this summer with the intention of having a rolling coach, but again it depends on time and circumstances. One thing I am fortunate to have is lots of ambition and decent skills, the rest will happen with time.

Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress



On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:26 PM, dwayne jacobson <dwayne.jacobson@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Les;
It really was a pleasure meeting you and your wife while we headed across
Canada. Also a Delight to go to your place and see your GMC project. I
learned a valuable lesson from you that I may not of fully realized had I
not met you. The Lesson for me is never take on a total restoration
project due to the lack of automotive repair experience.
Not to dash your hope in getting your coach on the road to join in the fun,
a year previous I had visited another ambitious GMC restoration Guru -
Steve Southworth and viewed his dismantled Coach and the joy of knowing 3
years later he is joining us on the Route 66 Rolling Rally.

So I wish you well as you proceed to finish your Coach.

Best regards
Dwayne and Sharon Jacobson
77 Kingsley


> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The confrontational individuals do not bother me that much, but it does
> affect the atmosphere of this group. More and more we are seeing that some
> members are hesitant to post for fear of ridicule or just to generally
> avoid confrontation. That is a situation that we all collectively need to
> focus on and find some way to improve. We need all the positive
> contribution and participation possible if we want to survive here. We all
> loose if we stop providing valuable info just because one individual
> disagrees and becomes confrontational over it.
>
> I learned a big lesson this past week or so. Hopefully I won't repeat my
> mistakes.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:44 PM, "Robert Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
> Les,
>
> Just don't let the confrontational individuals suck you into arguments any
> more; consider the source and remember; "sticks and
> stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me!" ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Burt
>
>> On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Tony <Ultravanman248@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyways, I treat some post or posters like I do unwanted commercials. I
> ignore them and change the station.
>> Life is way too short. Why sweat the small stuff.
>
> That appears to be what many people do here, and although it is not the
> best way, it works. The downside is that blocking a specific
> person or a specific thread means we may be missing some valuable info
> that was shared, even though we may not like the person it
> comes from.
>
> After spending the weekend thinking over the most recent events that
> started this thread, I feel I need to express a concern that I
> have over the future of this group.
>
> I have yet to encounter a member here that hasn't had a genuine need for
> help, or provided some help at some point. We all deserve
> the right to participate in this group, but we also deserve the right to
> do so in a civil environment. It is up to all of us to make
> sure that happens, but to do so means we need to understand and follow
> some basic rules. I haven't gone looking for GMCnet rules on
> member conduct and behavior etc, so I do not know if any actually exist.
> If they do exist, perhaps inviting everyone to read and
> familiarize themselves with those rules would go a long way towards a
> friendlier environment here. If there are no such rules in
> writing, should we not develop some?
>
> Since I became a member here only a few years ago, discussions have been
> more or less self regulating. This works in most cases, but
> has not in others. I am aware of the expulsion of one individual who
> caused a ruckus even though he was a big contributor to the
> group. I am also aware of several valuable contributors that have left
> because they were fed up with some of the uncontrolled
> "snarkiness" and general unfriendly remarks directed at some of our
> members.
>
> Do we continue as we always have and risk loosing more very knowledgeable
> members? Or do we make the rules more clear to those who
> feel the need to be confrontational, with the risk of loosing their
> valuable input? We need to ask ourselves as a group what we
> value more?
>
> Les Burt
>
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246251 is a reply to message #245902] Thu, 03 April 2014 01:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Use the "Ignore all messages by this user" and be done with their problems.

You certainly will not miss much, if anything.

I have 3 in that list right now. They will stay in the ignore list for a year or so, and when happen to think about it, I remove them. At that time I will find that they have moved on.

One other comment. If you wish the waste the time, look at the posting times of the "snarky" postings. If they are always in the evenings or late at night, then you probably have a heavy drinker who would not do that when sober. If the postings are at other times, then you probably have an inferiority complex person who just craves attention. I personally would not waste the time to figure them out. Just pigeon hole them in your personal ignore list and be done with them.

Set rant off.





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Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246269 is a reply to message #246251] Thu, 03 April 2014 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC.LES is currently offline  GMC.LES   United States
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Ken,
I do not want to be obnoxious about this as I agree that what you do is a quick and simple solution for the forum users who are thick skinned (thankfully many of us are). IMHO, It doesn't solve the issue of some members leaving or no longer participating because comments became too personal or political. How much bleeding do we allow before we deal with the wound?

I have been a moderator in 2 automotive related yahoo groups that faltered and are now inactive mainly because the group owner took up the same policy of ignoring the troublemakers. The result was that all the valuable people slowly went elsewhere. Remember that the yahoo groups function much like this group where they have both e-mail and online formats. It is hard to selectively weed through all your e-mails and delete the "snarky" and confrontational messages without reading them part way.

In case you are unaware, A facebook member has been developing his own GMC web page apparently with its own forum that is about to go live. This will give yet another place where GMCers can go to participate. What Is already happening is that some of our valuable contributors are migrating elsewhere, potentially causing some of the lurkers to do the same in search of every last tidbit of trustworthy info. This group could become a ghost town and eventually die off.

Am I paranoid? Maybe, but not all that far fetched.

A healthy GMCMH future depends partly on sharing all the valuable information and knowledge that the senior members possess. Where will the younger or inexperienced owners go to get the answers if we allow one of our most valuable assets (this group, or any other)to fall apart?

I see the existence of multiple GMCMH discussion platforms as being similar to our GMCMH vendors. Having just one is not necessarily good. Having several that compete somewhat for their piece of the pie, is good for the rest of us. If they don't adapt to the needs of their customers they will eventually fade away.

The future success of this group lies in ALL of the members hands. If you have an opinion, fear, or other valid thought, you need to speak up (keep it polite). Staying silent won't help solve the issue. The owners/moderators need to know how we feel as a group.

Let me be clear on one thing, i certainly do not suggest suspension or expulsion of a member that otherwise contributes useful or valuable info. I think that as an adult, they should be capable of understanding and accepting polite warnings. If that doesn't produce the necessary changes, then the moderators have a job to do. Rules are rules and they do need to be occasionally enforced for the benefit of every member here.


If I am becoming a "thorn" someone please speak up and I'll drop the topic.


Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress



On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:34 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:



Use the "Ignore all messages by this user" and be done with their problems.

You certainly will not miss much, if anything.

I have 3 in that list right now. They will stay in the ignore list for a year or so, and when happen to think about it, I remove them. At that time I will find that they have moved on.

One other comment. If you wish the waste the time, look at the posting times of the "snarky" postings. If they are always in the evenings or late at night, then you probably have a heavy drinker who would not do that when sober. If the postings are at other times, then you probably have an inferiority complex person who just craves attention. I personally would not waste the time to figure them out. Just pigeon hole them in your personal ignore list and be done with them.

Set rant off.




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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246271 is a reply to message #245514] Thu, 03 April 2014 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do what Ken does. I will check every few weeks to see if the persons attitude has changed. If not, then I leave that person blocked. A couple of years ago a person was blocked from this forum. He is now on the Facebook page and stirs things up over there too. Might be time to have the moderator go thru and look at us. Maybe one or two of us need blocked from this site. Will never be a better bunch of folks with such a wealth of information as right here. Facebook will come and go. This site will remain. I am a member of a few forums. None of them compare at all to this one with speed and information.
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246284 is a reply to message #246271] Thu, 03 April 2014 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Will never be a better bunch of folks with such a wealth of information as right here.

I agree, but also can't help but notice that we have failed our friends who have left due to things that have transpired here. By being soft on the members who have been confrontational, disrespectful, or un-polite, we are alienating the remaining members.

Does the food mart leave rotten produce in plain view, or do they tidy up the place and keep it presentable so that the customers keep shopping?

I think I've said enough and will respectfully leave this topic for the more infuential members to decide what should be done.

Enjoying spring weather and my GMC.

Les Burt
Montreal
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246285 is a reply to message #245514] Thu, 03 April 2014 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We're talking about one or two people being blocked and maybe one or two people who have dropped because they feel picked on lately? That is pretty small numbers based on the size of the forum. Generally it runs pretty smoothly so I don't think too many people would advocate anything major changing.

Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246286 is a reply to message #246285] Thu, 03 April 2014 11:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC.LES is currently offline  GMC.LES   United States
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Since i've been a member here i have seen several major contributors from both sides of the fence. None of them are here anymore and that is what hurts. It isn't the numbers as much as the value of their contributions that is a loss.

Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress



On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:



We're talking about one or two people being blocked and maybe one or two people who have dropped because they feel picked on lately? That is pretty small numbers based on the size of the forum. Generally it runs pretty smoothly so I don't think too many people would advocate anything major changing.
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246287 is a reply to message #246286] Thu, 03 April 2014 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Les Burt[1

wrote on Thu, 03 April 2014 12:43]Since i've been a member here i have seen several major contributors from both sides of the fence. None of them are here anymore and that is what hurts. It isn't the numbers as much as the value of their contributions that is a loss.

Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress






It's not that I disagree it's just that you can't please everyone all the time. It's unrealistic to think people won't drift away, sometimes come back, sometimes not. It would be nice if it never happened, but...


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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246300 is a reply to message #246287] Thu, 03 April 2014 16:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Hart is currently offline  Bruce Hart   United States
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Maybe the numbers are small but the individuals that no longer contribute
is a great loss to us.
Steve Ferguson comes to mind who has been a great resource to all of us. Do
we still have any of his contribution in the forum or have they been
deleted. I believe his username was Botieman but that is no longer listed
and so are his postings? I hope that I am wrong.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Les Burt[1
> > wrote on Thu, 03 April 2014 12:43]Since i've been a member here i have
> seen several major contributors from both sides of the fence. None of them
> are here anymore and that is what hurts. It isn't the numbers as much as
> the value of their contributions that is a loss.
> >
> > Les Burt
> > Montreal
> > 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> > A work in Progress
>
>
> It's not that I disagree it's just that you can't please everyone all the
> time. It's unrealistic to think people won't drift away, sometimes come
> back, sometimes not. It would be nice if it never happened, but...
> --
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> 1976 Glenbrook
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246302 is a reply to message #246300] Thu, 03 April 2014 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bruce,

Bowtiemad was Steve's nickname, his Forum sign in Steven Ferguson; here's a link to all his messages.

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=showposts&id=992&rid=1271

Yes, he was a loss to us all.

For what it's worth I, for one, won't give up and surrender!

ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM!

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hart

Maybe the numbers are small but the individuals that no longer contribute
is a great loss to us.
Steve Ferguson comes to mind who has been a great resource to all of us. Do
we still have any of his contribution in the forum or have they been
deleted. I believe his username was Botieman but that is no longer listed
and so are his postings? I hope that I am wrong.

Bruce

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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246304 is a reply to message #246302] Thu, 03 April 2014 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Hart is currently offline  Bruce Hart   United States
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good on you mate!! I just couldn't remember his username and couldn't find
any links to his posts.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> Bowtiemad was Steve's nickname, his Forum sign in Steven Ferguson; here's
> a link to all his messages.
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=showposts&id=992&rid=1271
>
> Yes, he was a loss to us all.
>
> For what it's worth I, for one, won't give up and surrender!
>
> ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Hart
>
> Maybe the numbers are small but the individuals that no longer contribute
> is a great loss to us.
> Steve Ferguson comes to mind who has been a great resource to all of us. Do
> we still have any of his contribution in the forum or have they been
> deleted. I believe his username was Botieman but that is no longer listed
> and so are his postings? I hope that I am wrong.
>
> Bruce
>
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246306 is a reply to message #246302] Thu, 03 April 2014 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   United States
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Sorry - did Steve pass away? Or did he leave?

I had assumed (from the tone of most of this thread) that he got pissed off and left. But when I looked at the search results, that didn't seem to be the case.

I've been a lurker here for a long time - and have used the forum (and Google) to search for info to "fill in the blanks", since recently becoming an owner. There seems to be a lot more bickering/badgering here than most other auto forums I've been a part of - but I assumed it was because the average age was so much higher! Some old guys are cranky! Hee hee...

I think the GMC MH needs new blood in order to survive and I'm gonna do my best to help carry the torch!

Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath

On 2014-04-03, at 2:34 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> Bowtiemad was Steve's nickname, his Forum sign in Steven Ferguson; here's a link to all his messages.
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=showposts&id=992&rid=1271
>
> Yes, he was a loss to us all.
>
> For what it's worth I, for one, won't give up and surrender!
>
> ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246307 is a reply to message #245514] Thu, 03 April 2014 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steve Ferguson is alive thankfully and somewhat active in the facebook group.

Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246308 is a reply to message #245514] Thu, 03 April 2014 18:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As one maybe you have referred to hey I'm still around.  After that last mess I have been so slammed I just have not been sitting around. Now if I'm not one of those you refer to hey I'm sory to be such a push.

Look, this passtime has to be more about the bucket of collective bolts, you gotta love this and that's where we need to be here and besides, its just not worth it.

My guess is they are at the INTL rally.  You can't get rid of all this much entertainment that easily!  

Jim Bounds

-------- Original message --------
From: Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com>
Date: 04/03/2014 12:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list

Since i've been a member here i have seen several major contributors from both sides of the fence. None of them are here anymore and that is what hurts. It isn't the numbers as much as the value of their contributions that is a loss.

Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress



On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:



We're talking about one or two people being blocked and maybe one or two people who have dropped because they feel picked on lately? That is pretty small numbers based on the size of the forum. Generally it runs pretty smoothly so I don't think too many people would advocate anything major changing.
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246310 is a reply to message #246307] Thu, 03 April 2014 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rob is currently offline  Rob   United States
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Well - that's good! I don't want to start any rumours!

I just thought it may have been the case - since I didn't see a dispute before he stopped posting and the words here made it sound like he was "gone, but not forgotten"...

Was it just a New Year's resolution?

Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath

On 2014-04-03, at 4:28 PM, Jeremy wrote:

>
>
> Steve Ferguson is alive thankfully and somewhat active in the facebook group.
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246320 is a reply to message #246308] Thu, 03 April 2014 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No JimB, you are not one of the problem members. You have always managed to maintain a polite attitude even when we have slammed you hard. As long as there are GMC coaches to talk about, there will be disagreements and arguments. The important part is how we behave during those conversations.

You are absolutely right on this place being all about these buckets of bolts.

Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress



On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:33 PM, gmccoop <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:

As one maybe you have referred to hey I'm still around. After that last mess I have been so slammed I just have not been sitting around. Now if I'm not one of those you refer to hey I'm sory to be such a push.

Look, this passtime has to be more about the bucket of collective bolts, you gotta love this and that's where we need to be here and besides, its just not worth it.

My guess is they are at the INTL rally. You can't get rid of all this much entertainment that easily!

Jim Bounds

-------- Original message --------
From: Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com>
Date: 04/03/2014 12:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list

Since i've been a member here i have seen several major contributors from both sides of the fence. None of them are here anymore and that is what hurts. It isn't the numbers as much as the value of their contributions that is a loss.

Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress



On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:



We're talking about one or two people being blocked and maybe one or two people who have dropped because they feel picked on lately? That is pretty small numbers based on the size of the forum. Generally it runs pretty smoothly so I don't think too many people would advocate anything major changing.
--
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1976 Glenbrook
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246325 is a reply to message #246306] Thu, 03 April 2014 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Rob <gmc@thebaileys.ca> wrote:

> Sorry - did Steve pass away? Or did he leave?
>
> I had assumed (from the tone of most of this thread) that he got pissed
> off and left. But when I looked at the search results, that didn't seem to
> be the case.
>
> nah, he is just pouting
says he is just an SOB

but

WE WANT HIM BACK

erg


> I've been a lurker here for a long time - and have used the forum (and
> Google) to search for info to "fill in the blanks", since recently becoming
> an owner. There seems to be a lot more bickering/badgering here than most
> other auto forums I've been a part of - but I assumed it was because the
> average age was so much higher! Some old guys are cranky! Hee hee...
>
> I think the GMC MH needs new blood in order to survive and I'm gonna do my
> best to help carry the torch!
>
> Rob
> Victoria, BC
> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
>
> On 2014-04-03, at 2:34 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
>
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Bowtiemad was Steve's nickname, his Forum sign in Steven Ferguson;
> here's a link to all his messages.
> >
> >
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=showposts&id=992&rid=1271
> >
> > Yes, he was a loss to us all.
> >
> > For what it's worth I, for one, won't give up and surrender!
> >
> > ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > Sydney, Australia
> > AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list [message #246328 is a reply to message #246320] Thu, 03 April 2014 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No JimB, you are not one of the problem members. You have always managed to maintain a polite attitude even when we have slammed you hard. As long as there are GMC coaches to talk about, there will be disagreements and arguments. The important part is how we behave during those conversations.
>
> You are absolutely right on this place being all about these buckets of bolts.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
>
>
>
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:33 PM, gmccoop <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> As one maybe you have referred to hey I'm still around. After that last mess I have been so slammed I just have not been sitting around. Now if I'm not one of those you refer to hey I'm sory to be such a push.
>
> Look, this passtime has to be more about the bucket of collective bolts, you gotta love this and that's where we need to be here and besides, its just not worth it.
>
> My guess is they are at the INTL rally. You can't get rid of all this much entertainment that easily!
>
> Jim Bounds
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com>
> Date: 04/03/2014 12:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The value of the forum/list
>
> Since i've been a member here i have seen several major contributors from both sides of the fence. None of them are here anymore and that is what hurts. It isn't the numbers as much as the value of their contributions that is a loss.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
>
>
>
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> We're talking about one or two people being blocked and maybe one or two people who have dropped because they feel picked on lately? That is pretty small numbers based on the size of the forum. Generally it runs pretty smoothly so I don't think too many people would advocate anything major changing.
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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