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| Re: [GMCnet] Counteract - Dyna Beads - Equal Balancing Products [message #245475 is a reply to message #245455] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 07:47   |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
During all of your research, did you find out why balancing beads are not
recommended for passenger car tires? I recently sent that question to
Counteract, but got no response. I'm left to believe it's because of the
"fall-out" problem during frequent start-stop driving.
Incidentally, for those who wonder about the basis for the use of beads, I
clearly remember the professor in a Dynamics class spending an entire
session on automotive wheel balancing. While I can no longer even pretend
to duplicate the lecture or describe it in detail, I do remember that there
IS a mathematically described basis for the effectiveness of beads.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Here's links to charts from the companies that manufacture the balancing
> "compound" which specify how much should be put in tires:
>
> Counteract:
>
> http://www.counteractbalancing.com/counteract/images/application1.pdf
>
> Dyna Beads:
>
> http://www.innovativebalancing.com/chart.htm#CommercialChart
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> Equal:
>
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> http://www.mcgeecompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/EqualCommercialTireApplicationChart.pdf
>
> For the record I went up to 5 oz of Equal and Counteract because my
> KL-78's are Load Range E:
>
>
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+AT+KL78&partnum=275QR6KL78OWL10&vehicleSearch=false&fr
> omCompare1=yes
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Counteract - Dyna Beads - Equal Balancing Products [message #245480 is a reply to message #245475] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 08:12 |
mikethebike
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DynaBeads are recommended for car, motorcycle, truck tires. They are not for use in race vehicles due to the rapid and violent changes in g forces. The'fall-out' you mention has not been a problem with my motorcycle. Just so you will know...I've seen 145 on the bike more than once with no balance problems anywhere in the run.
| Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 07:47 |
Rob,
During all of your research, did you find out why balancing beads are not
recommended for passenger car tires? I recently sent that question to
Counteract, but got no response. I'm left to believe it's because of the
"fall-out" problem during frequent start-stop driving.
Incidentally, for those who wonder about the basis for the use of beads, I
clearly remember the professor in a Dynamics class spending an entire
session on automotive wheel balancing. While I can no longer even pretend
to duplicate the lecture or describe it in detail, I do remember that there
IS a mathematically described basis for the effectiveness of beads.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Here's links to charts from the companies that manufacture the balancing
> "compound" which specify how much should be put in tires:
>
> Counteract:
>
> http://www.counteractbalancing.com/counteract/images/application1.pdf
>
> Dyna Beads:
>
> http://www.innovativebalancing.com/chart.htm#CommercialChart
>
> Equal:
>
>
> http://www.mcgeecompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/EqualCommercialTireApplicationChart.pdf
>
> For the record I went up to 5 oz of Equal and Counteract because my
> KL-78's are Load Range E:
>
>
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+AT+KL78&partnum=275QR6KL78OWL10&vehicleSearch=false&fr
> omCompare1=yes
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Counteract - Dyna Beads - Equal Balancing Products [message #245484 is a reply to message #245480] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 08:30 |
GMC_LES
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And I tried counteract in one of my cars tires and found it was more of an
irritant than a solution. Stop and go driving does not work well with
balancing beads. I found my tires spent more time out of balance than in
balance. On the longer highway trips they would eventually smooth out.
I also blame some of the problem on a sloppy installer who
just slobbered the tire lube on the bead with a fair amount being slung
into the tire. This caused the beads to stick together as I found some
lumpy beads when I pulled and cleaned the insides in prep for a regular
balancing.
As the saying goes: the job is only as good as the person who did it.
Les Burt
Montreal
On Friday, March 28, 2014, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> DynaBeads are recommended for car, motorcycle, truck tires. They are not
> for use in race vehicles due to the rapid and violent changes in g forces.
> The'fall-out' you mention has not been a problem with my motorcycle. Just
> so you will know...I've seen 145 on the bike more than once with no balance
> problems anywhere in the run.
>
>
> Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 07:47
> > Rob,
> >
> > During all of your research, did you find out why balancing beads are not
> > recommended for passenger car tires? I recently sent that question to
> > Counteract, but got no response. I'm left to believe it's because of the
> > "fall-out" problem during frequent start-stop driving.
> >
> > Incidentally, for those who wonder about the basis for the use of beads,
> I
> > clearly remember the professor in a Dynamics class spending an entire
> > session on automotive wheel balancing. While I can no longer even
> pretend
> > to duplicate the lecture or describe it in detail, I do remember that
> there
> > IS a mathematically described basis for the effectiveness of beads.
> >
> > Ken H.
> > Americus, GA
> > '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
> > www.gmcwipersetc.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> >
> > > G'day,
> > >
> > > Here's links to charts from the companies that manufacture the
> balancing
> > > "compound" which specify how much should be put in tires:
> > >
> > > Counteract:
> > >
> > > http://www.counteractbalancing.com/counteract/images/application1.pdf
> > >
> > > Dyna Beads:
> > >
> > > http://www.innovativebalancing.com/chart.htm#CommercialChart
> > >
> > > Equal:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.mcgeecompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/EqualCommercialTireApplicationChart.pdf
> > >
> > > For the record I went up to 5 oz of Equal and Counteract because my
> > > KL-78's are Load Range E:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+AT+KL78&partnum=275QR6KL78OWL10&vehicleSearch=false&fr
> > > omCompare1=yes
> > >
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Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza II 26ft
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| Re: [GMCnet] Counteract - Dyna Beads - Equal Balancing Products [message #245489 is a reply to message #245475] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 08:50 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
I really didn't do a lot of research into this my goal was to compose an email that had all the sources of products manufactured
specifically to balance tires in one spot for easy future reference.
I realize that a lot of people have used plastic BB's from Wal-Mart and they work well too.
What you note about fall out makes sense, as I stated earlier I have noticed a bit of vibration until Double Trouble gets up to
speed and I reckon the manufacturers would have to deal with a lot of customer complaints about vibrating tires in stop and go
traffic. Hence they don't recommend it.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Henderson
Rob,
During all of your research, did you find out why balancing beads are not
recommended for passenger car tires? I recently sent that question to
Counteract, but got no response. I'm left to believe it's because of the
"fall-out" problem during frequent start-stop driving.
Incidentally, for those who wonder about the basis for the use of beads, I
clearly remember the professor in a Dynamics class spending an entire
session on automotive wheel balancing. While I can no longer even pretend
to duplicate the lecture or describe it in detail, I do remember that there
IS a mathematically described basis for the effectiveness of beads.
Ken H.
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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