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Loffen is currently offline  Loffen   Norway
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All pictures are uploaded here : http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6567-dobbelt-tr-bbel.html

Dobbelt trøbbel is back at it's new home and it is time for some much needed TLC.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0483_zps797cce59.jpg

The first 110 volt coffee

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0481_zpsb57a68f7.jpg

Both exhaust manifold gaskets where leaking and I needed axcess to the right rear freeze plug so the manifolds where taken out, luckly there was no cracks

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0490_zpsebc6a6a9.jpg

Got some work space now.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0487_zps34df344c.jpg

The emergency freese plug repair, not pretty but I got home.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0486_zps0c17dbeb.jpg

To close to disaster, the 12 v cable from the starter

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0488_zps0a620008.jpg

I bought a new exhaust system from Golby to my other GMC, Well it will go on DT, both mufflers are blown and rusted up from the inside.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0492_zps24867bc7.jpg

More to come Smile


1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: Dobbelt trøbbel get's some much needed TLC [message #245379 is a reply to message #245303] Thu, 27 March 2014 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Loffen is currently offline  Loffen   Norway
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Not so many pictures today.

The old plug,
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0494_zpsc9461820.jpg

Old vs New and shiny, I prefer to use brass pluggs as they do not rust, the old one was not so old by the way, the engine has been out of the coach and overhauled by a previous owner.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0495_zps0ca4ec70.jpg

The new one is in and no leaks, I had to take of the oil filter adapter to be able to mount it.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0496_zps148e1de9.jpg

And the new exhaust manifold gasket, I allways use a thin layer of high temp silicon on them when the surface has not been machined just to make sure that it seals.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0497_zps69f87df4.jpg

I did also re thighten the transmission chain cover since there was a small leak and did change the water temp sensor and a aftermarked water temp gauge as it was way off.

Tomorrow I hope to get the mufflers back on and change oil and filter on the transmission, at the same time I will also change the O-rings on the modulator and selector shaft.


1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: Dobbelt trøbbel get's some much needed TLC [message #245437 is a reply to message #245303] Thu, 27 March 2014 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ultravan Owners is currently offline  Ultravan Owners   Canada
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Espen,

Do you spread the high temp silicon to thin it out and make it more even before you install those gaskets?

I hope you don't mind me saying. That is a little too much high temp silicon unless you do spread it out evenly before installing.

Keep up the progress.



Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
Re: Dobbelt trøbbel get's some much needed TLC [message #245453 is a reply to message #245437] Thu, 27 March 2014 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ultravan Owners wrote on Thu, 27 March 2014 21:11

Espen,

Do you spread the high temp silicon to thin it out and make it more even before you install those gaskets?

I hope you don't mind me saying. That is a little too much high temp silicon unless you do spread it out evenly before installing.

Keep up the progress.



I normally spread it on heavily--what's wrong with that?


Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Dobbelt trøbbel get's some much needed TLC [message #245457 is a reply to message #245437] Thu, 27 March 2014 23:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tony,

I don't think matters how thick it is as long as the entire surface is covered. When you torque down the manifold any excess will
get squished out won't it?

If the excess is on the inside of the port it will get burned away pretty quickly. If its on the outside it will look ugly but won't
effect how well it seals. If you want it to look nice you can scrape it off.

There is one MAJOR point to consider, be 100% sure that the silicone or RTV you use is marked "Oxygen Sensor Safe." Even if you
don't have EFI someday you may want to add it or the next owner may want to install it. Silicone will KILL Oxygen sensors.

I was at an O'Reilly's shop last summer and looked at a bunch of tubes they had there and they as noted "Oxygen Sensor Safe." The
problem can arise if someone decides to use silicone sealer from a hardware store.

If you use non O2 sensor safe silicone on the intake manifold you have the same problem.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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From: Tony

Espen,

Do you spread the high temp silicon to thin it out and make it more even before you install those gaskets?

I hope you don't mind me saying. That is a little too much high temp silicon unless you do spread it out evenly before installing.

Keep up the progress.

Tony

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Re: [GMCnet] Dobbelt trøbbel get's some much needed TLC [message #245467 is a reply to message #245457] Fri, 28 March 2014 03:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tony, the thiknes here is about the same as a finger nail for the most part,the tip of the tube was flat to the gasket.

But as Rob says so does it not matter much as it will spread out under pressure and either get burnt away or just look ugly, I will post a picture later.

On this engine it do not matter much how it looks as long as it has a good seal.

Below is a picture of my -71 455 pontiac engine, same thing was done here but I was a little bit more careful as it was built for going to car shows.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1971%20455%20Lemans%20sport%20convertible/IMGP3005.jpg


1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway
Re: Dobbelt trøbbel get's some much needed TLC [message #245499 is a reply to message #245303] Fri, 28 March 2014 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ultravan Owners is currently offline  Ultravan Owners   Canada
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Espen that engine on the stand looks nice!

As a mechanic I have seen a good amount of engines go bad due to the over use of silicon sealer.

When I had my own business and things were slow I would do consignment for a company call Motor Exchange in Arlington, VA.
A good friend of mine, Donald, ran the place and I enjoyed working with him and going to lunch to catch up.

Before that time I worked for GM dealership and for some time GM uses it in place of a gasket on their engines. To see a mechanic do a needed repair and replace that silicon the wrong way and the end results. Oh well been there seen that too.

Anyways, It seemed like a habit. When you see it used a lot in one place or another it is used just as much if not more elsewhere too.
To know where, when, just how much to use and why the concern is.

I have seen the stuff in all kinds of places inside an engine and even an oil and transmissions pan.
We had to replace engines due to installer's mistakes or the shade tree mechanic doing some work at home.

But I will have to politely disagree with you both.
When the silicon is standing up like a small pile from the beginning or the end of it being applied, not smoothed out, or one can see it out the edge of where it was installed when things get tightened up = too much. And if you don't see it - does not mean it was not too much. With tolerances so tight/close to begin with the extra stuff has to go somewhere and there is always the opposite side (inward) that one cannot see - until it is too late.

So YES - maybe I'm a little extra cautious! However, I rather say something than to see a person screw up their hard work and learn it the hard way.

So shoot me... Very Happy

Sincerely, Tony


Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
Re: Dobbelt trøbbel get's some much needed TLC [message #245543 is a reply to message #245499] Fri, 28 March 2014 14:18 Go to previous message
Loffen is currently offline  Loffen   Norway
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Nah As I do not have a licsens for a gun I can not shoot you Rolling Eyes

But I can show you a picture of the manifold mounted with the gasket above, and yes silicon on both sides.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Espen_Heitmann/1973%20Sequoia/IMG_0498_zps9a578de8.jpg


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