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GMC_LES
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Jim,
You are one of the reasons i chose a GMCMH. You are one of the few remaining vendors that continues to provide valuable support and innovation for these machines. I respect and appreciate your opinions and commentary and encourage you to continue. I also understand and agree with most of what you have to say but I do feel compelled to comment on something that you do way too often, possibly to the detriment of your reputation.
To quote you:
"My rub is lurkers and others here will feel it's something they MUST have because you guys generate so much chatter about those things."
The above statement is one of the many recent examples of the position that you often take when others have recommended a solution to a problem.
Well i think you need to consider some of the products that you often push as a MUST HAVE.
- The roller cam you state as the only solution to low ZDDP oils.
- The Quadrabag rear suspension you push as the best and only safe alternative to the original air bags.
- Quality paint work rather than an economy job.
Well my beef is that none of the above are a MUST HAVE, as proven by the many coaches on the road that are surviving quite reliably without them. They are indeed quality items that are a valuable improvement to a coach but far from a MUST HAVE. Jim, we accept you pushing your strong opinion towards most of this stuff, but often you fail to include yourself in the category of people that you complain about.
As i see it, the only MUST HAVES for a GMCMH is the desire to have a good time, patience, a mechanically safe and sound coach, and/or a reasonable budget to get you to that state. All the rest is totally an individual choice. As has been stated many times, we do what we do because we can.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't even try to break it down. We in America feel it's our right to do things that are dangerous as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else-- like bungie jumping but if you try that off the Golden Gate Bridge you will be arrested.
I swear guys, you can get good brakes from the original system and given the cost of maintenance, availability of replacement parts why change things? There is a reason though to do it, if this is your ethusiast hobby and you "wanna do it" then that's the best reason for you to do so. My rub is lurkers and others here will feel it's something they MUST have because you guys generate so much chatter about those things.
If you are not doing this because you are exercising your mechanical prowess, in other words you want to drive your coach, have your wife drive it and not have to be the only one who will work on it--- guys think carefully before you get committed on some of this stuff.
One here who posts often told Jim G. he should not own a GMC in that he's not that mechanically incluned. He loves his Anne, he has used it for over 10 years and the coach has been very good to him. Something happens to the coach, he calls me and we fix what is going on and again, he drives the wheels off it.
He's not caught up in having the most complicated, powder coated, Titanium doo-dad. He uses his coach and if you are a GMC owner like him-- I say again do not get caught up in some of the stuff you read here. You do NOT have to be an ASC mechanic to maintain and enjoy a GMC.
The bigger issue is alienating those that are trying to help the community by offering parts and services. I have no idea why Jim K. spends soooo much hard earned money to go to the convention and sit there while people say he is too expensive and does services wrong. What is his motivation for putting up with all that? He is even more an enthusiast than most any of you. He truly loves working with these things like I do. I am not here to make a killing. What work did you do to be able to retire and have a good income to sit around and whine about these motorhomes? The GMC dealer network is not trying to duplicate your retirement bonanza, we are just living day to day hoping to sell a product or service to a person who owns 1 of some 8000 motohomes left in existance.
Think about this a minute, what is your motivation and goal in having one of these. If you want to use your coach there are people to help you. If you want an object for your frustrations, do not call me-- fact is you probably will not! Also, do not change things on your coach without thinking hard about it. If it blows your dress up then do it but don't wrap others up in some stuff you do just because you do it and want others to as well.
Bottom line, I will not drive a coach that I cannot fix out on the road by someone other than me! You want to, go for it brother...
Scott, I'm still that duck paddling...
Jim Bounds
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Les Burt
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A work in Progress
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