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updating Olga [message #242603] Fri, 07 March 2014 07:52 Go to next message
appie is currently offline  appie   Denmark
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A while ago I discussed wether nptf sender would fit the npt thread in the engine
Well they do- no problem just have to be careful not to apply to much force

Today i tested my oilpressure with a manual gauge- pretty much the same even though the manual is reacting a bit faster
45 stone cold- falling to 15 as the thermostat opens Nicely following the rev in P 30 at 2000
driving falling to 7 and following revs but at a lower rate 15-20 at 2000

this is with 10-30 oil

vacuum stays nicely at 22Hg at idle very stable


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Re: updating Olga [message #242605 is a reply to message #242603] Fri, 07 March 2014 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crank or rod bearing failure, I would but my bet on a rod bearing since you also have a knock Crying or Very Sad

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Re: updating Olga [message #242610 is a reply to message #242605] Fri, 07 March 2014 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Espen, how would a bad rod bearing influence oilpressure?

Knocking is very strange, just sometimes under pressure. Sound absolutely nice at stand still also revving As I want to outrule all boltons I am thinking about the suggested muffler. I have the original setup and muffler are close to the engine.
Just not sure how to investigate ?

It seems it is normal for oilpressure to fall as you set the vehicule in gear- can anybody explane why this is?


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Re: updating Olga [message #242614 is a reply to message #242610] Fri, 07 March 2014 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have been thinking the same as Loffen but sure want to prove it is not something else first.

15W40 or 20W50 oil might help a little in the short term. I use 15W40 all the time.

I still think that you need an oil analysis done. There must be someone around that does it. Check a local truck stop or truck maintenance facility.


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Re: updating Olga [message #242615 is a reply to message #242610] Fri, 07 March 2014 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well with a worn bearing your clarance it to large between the bearing and in this case the crankshaft, when the oil is cold it is thicker it will not escape from the bearing and as the oil heats up it will be thinner and also be able to escape out of the bearing since there is to much room between the bearing and the cranckshaft ( this would be much easier for me in Norwegian) so when to much oil does escape the oil pump is not able supply enouch oil to the bearing and you will start to loose pressure.
So with to much room and to little pressure you will at the end loose the oil film between the bearing and the crankshaft and get a knock.


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Re: updating Olga [message #242618 is a reply to message #242615] Fri, 07 March 2014 09:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It might have been easier in Norwegian but your English was perfect.



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Re: updating Olga [message #242620 is a reply to message #242618] Fri, 07 March 2014 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Ken Embarassed

Just hoping that it was understandable Rolling Eyes


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Re: updating Olga [message #242624 is a reply to message #242615] Fri, 07 March 2014 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Get your point Espen
Feel free to write in Norwegian that will the others a laugh

Ken: I actually received a testset from blackburn today, problem is that I really do not have any oil to sent
present oil is new and old oil is stored in some old vinegar jar- no idea what that would do to the test result?


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Re: updating Olga [message #242625 is a reply to message #242624] Fri, 07 March 2014 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can do that Wink

Uansett, du skjnner poenget mitt, s lenge oljen er kald og tykk vil du ikke ha noe problem, men med en gang den blir varm og tynn mister du trykket.
Det kan kanskje hjelpe med en tykkere olje, men det er kun en kort ndlsning. Smile

Bablefish here we come Laughing


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Re: updating Olga [message #242626 is a reply to message #242625] Fri, 07 March 2014 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll better reply that in English

Now we are coming close to religion ! Thicker oil yes more pressure cold yes, but will it give more pressure hot? and will it actually bring more oil to my bearings?


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Re: updating Olga [message #242628 is a reply to message #242626] Fri, 07 March 2014 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No it will not give more pressure hot but due to the viscosity it will flow more.

Think about it as trying to get water through a 1/2" hole, when hot no problem, but cold your water is ice cubes, not many of them will go through that hole Wink


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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242629 is a reply to message #242626] Fri, 07 March 2014 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If your bearings are worn outside of wear limits, one thing that will be
readily apparent will br a loss of oil pressure. Particularly when the oil
is thoroughly warmed up. An oil analysis using oil that has been drained
after
normal oil change intervals will find only trace amounts of a few critical
indicators of trouble if all is well. If there is a compression or coolant
leak into the oil supply, there will be higher levels present of combustion
byproduct or anti freeze. If there is badly worn bearings, higher levels of
tin, lead, and copper will be present. High ferrous levels can indicate
worn rings, cylinders, cams and liters, etc. Your oil test company will
send a sheet of explanation with your results. I suspect that, from the
information you have provided, you will find worn crankshaft and camshaft
bearings. Just my experience, others may have different interpretations.
Jim Hupy
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On Mar 7, 2014 8:43 AM, "lenze middelberg" <lenze@middelberg.dk> wrote:

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> I'll better reply that in English
>
> Now we are coming close to religion ! Thicker oil yes more pressure cold
> yes, but will it give more pressure hot? and will it actually bring more
> oil to my bearings?
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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242630 is a reply to message #242629] Fri, 07 March 2014 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't like you guys- I want a easy solution Confused

You all may be very right and I will send the oil to blackburn ( vinegar will not give any metal traces and water would be obvious)

Just hard to believe that my beautifully running engine with its very fine vacuum wears out from one day to the other


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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242631 is a reply to message #242630] Fri, 07 March 2014 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Easy solution... Hmmmm... Bananas my friend.. Mashed Bananas, 15 lbs should do the trick, just fill the engine up and drive, no hassle Very Happy

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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242633 is a reply to message #242630] Fri, 07 March 2014 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lenze, perhaps I can shed some light on the good vacuum readings. This is a
reflection of good ring and valve sealing. It is possible to have good
upper end conditions and poor bottom end at the same time. PARTICULARLY
WHEN SOMEONE DOES A RING AND VALVE JOB AND DOES NOT REBUILD THE LOWER END
CORRECTLY. I often find these conditions when rebuilding Olds engines. The
high nickel content cylinders wear very slowly, but the connecting rods,
due to the high loading that slow speed and high throttle opening use in a
motor home gives, will distort the big end bores. If this is not corrected
when the engine is rebuilt, rod bearing life is very short. If the inserts
rotate in the rods, the crank is usually damaged as well. Just what happens.
Jim Hupy
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On Mar 7, 2014 9:21 AM, "lenze middelberg" <lenze@middelberg.dk> wrote:

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>
> I don't like you guys- I want a easy solution :?
>
> You all may be very right and I will send the oil to blackburn ( vinegar
> will not give any metal traces and water would be obvious)
>
> Just hard to believe that my beautifully running engine with its very
> fine vacuum wears out from one day to the other
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242635 is a reply to message #242625] Fri, 07 March 2014 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gosh, JimK's at the keyboard again!

Ken H.

Uansett, du skjønner poenget mitt, så lenge oljen er kald og tykk vil du
> ikke ha noe problem, men med en gang den blir varm og tynn mister du
> trykket.
> Det kan kanskje hjelpe med en tykkere olje, men det er kun en kort
> nødløsning. :)
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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242636 is a reply to message #242635] Fri, 07 March 2014 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most awesome letters in the entire world.
Can also be spelled "Ae", "Oe" or "Aa", if your keyboard doesnt support these letters.

. (lower case: )

Common used letter in Norwegian and Danish, has its origins in latin. In Sweden, Germany and Finland they use "" (or "") instead.

. (lower case: ... well you propably figured that out already..)

Also a common used letter in both Danish and Norwegian, however, its also used in Faroese, and propably elsewere aswell. is equivalent to the vowel and letter in German, Swedish, Icelandic, Estonian and Finnish.

. (lower case: )

A letter only used in Scandinavia, Sounds like the vowel in "oh" or "no". In Danish an "" is a stream, small river or a creek.

Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 07 March 2014 18:40

Gosh, JimK's at the keyboard again!

Ken H.

Uansett, du skjønner poenget mitt, så lenge oljen er kald og tykk vil du
> ikke ha noe problem, men med en gang den blir varm og tynn mister du
> trykket.
> Det kan kanskje hjelpe med en tykkere olje, men det er kun en kort
> nødløsning. Smile
>
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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242638 is a reply to message #242636] Fri, 07 March 2014 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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無論如何,你明白我的意思,只要油冷而厚,你不會有任何問題,但是一旦它變熱而薄,你失去了壓力。
它可以幫助較厚的油,但它只是一個短期的臨時解決方案。 :)


You knew somebody was going to...

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Æ Ø Å
Most awesome letters in the entire world.
Can also be spelled "Ae", "Oe" or "Aa", if your keyboard doesnt support these letters.

Æ. (lower case: æ)

Common used letter in Norwegian and Danish, has its origins in latin. In Sweden, Germany and Finland they use "Ä" (or "ä") instead.

Ø. (lower case: ... well you propably figured that out already..)

Also a common used letter in both Danish and Norwegian, however, its also used in Faroese, and propably elsewere aswell. Ø is equivalent to the vowel and letter Ö in German, Swedish, Icelandic, Estonian and Finnish.

Å. (lower case: å)

A letter only used in Scandinavia, Sounds like the vowel in "oh" or "no". In Danish an "Å" is a stream, small river or a creek.

Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 07 March 2014 18:40
> Gosh, JimK's at the keyboard again!
>
> Ken H.
>
> Uansett, du skjÞnner poenget mitt, så lenge oljen er kald og tykk vil du
> > ikke ha noe problem, men med en gang den blir varm og tynn mister du
> > trykket.
> > Det kan kanskje hjelpe med en tykkere olje, men det er kun en kort
> > nÞdlÞsning. :)
> >
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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242640 is a reply to message #242638] Fri, 07 March 2014 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looks like some of you should update the languishes on your computer, but still kind of funny to see what you get when you only have 26 letters to play with Cool

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Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga [message #242642 is a reply to message #242638] Fri, 07 March 2014 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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GMail offered to, and did, a pretty good job on the Norwegian. But it
wants no part of that hen-scratching. I'll have to forward it to my
granddaugher. After 7 years of study, including 2-1/2 years in-country,
she should have no trouble with it. :-)

Ken H.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Johnny Bridges wrote:

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> 無論如何,你明白我的意思,只要油冷而厚,你不會有任何問題,但是一旦它變熱而薄,你失去了壓力。
> 它可以幫助較厚的油,但它只是一個短期的臨時解決方案。 :)
>
>
> You knew somebody was going to...
>
> --johnny
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Espen Heitmann <bimet@online.no>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] updating Olga
>
>
>
>
> Æ Ø Å
> Most awesome letters in the entire world.
> Can also be spelled "Ae", "Oe" or "Aa", if your keyboard doesnt support
> these letters.
>
> Æ. (lower case: æ)
>
> Common used letter in Norwegian and Danish, has its origins in latin. In
> Sweden, Germany and Finland they use "Ä" (or "ä") instead.
>
> Ø. (lower case: ... well you propably figured that out already..)
>
> Also a common used letter in both Danish and Norwegian, however, its also
> used in Faroese, and propably elsewere aswell. Ø is equivalent to the
> vowel and letter Ö in German, Swedish, Icelandic, Estonian and Finnish.
>
> Å. (lower case: å)
>
> A letter only used in Scandinavia, Sounds like the vowel in "oh" or "no".
> In Danish an "Å" is a stream, small river or a creek.
>
> Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 07 March 2014 18:40
> > Gosh, JimK's at the keyboard again!
> >
> > Ken H.
> >
> > Uansett, du skjÞnner poenget mitt, så lenge oljen er kald og tykk vil
> du
> > > ikke ha noe problem, men med en gang den blir varm og tynn mister du
> > > trykket.
> > > Det kan kanskje hjelpe med en tykkere olje, men det er kun en kort
> > > nÞdlÞsning. :)
> > >
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> you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey you can also call
> me Espen ;)
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