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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240705 is a reply to message #240338] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 09:04   |
mikethebike
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microGreen just replied that their 410-3 filter should work for the GMC. If so I plan to use that filter, Mobil-1 15/50 and GM EOS additive package. If I do that, I should be able to avoid spending $250.00 plus the extra S/S braided hose to get it to the radiator cooler and just change the oil once a year.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240781 is a reply to message #240779] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 17:14 |
mikethebike
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The filter is a 13/16X16 thread and a gasket size of 2.5 i.d. and 2.75 o.d. I have no idea why they would not use the same filter.
I have solved this little dilemma by ordering a Trans Dapt 1020 adapter and a 1030 dual remote filter bracket. That particular bracket takes a Fram PH8a or equivalent.
The PH8a crosses to the microGreen MG412-1. I plan on running 2 of the microGreens with 15/50 Mobil-1 and GM EOS (thank you Carl Harr for putting me on to the EOS) additive package and no auxiliary cooler. The $250.00 I save on the cooler will almost pay for all the new SS oil lines.
There is a way around every road block. You just have to be stubborn enough to keep looking!
| USAussie wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 16:51 |
Mike,
It appears that MicroGreen don't make a filter for the 455 only the 403.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: mike foster
Did more research and the microGreen 300-3 cross references to a 1978 Toronado. I have a call in to them for gasket sizes for both
the 410-3 and the 300-3.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240802 is a reply to message #240795] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 19:01 |
jhbridges
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A couple of guys when I was in college had bypass filters whoich fitted a roll of bathroom stationary as the element. Messy to change, but they seemed to work well. That was in the early 60', I suspect modern engines and modernoils mightn't do as well, particularly with modern papers. They made it a point to swipe the 'John Wayne' stuff the U fitted to the stalls. It wasn't prone to disintegrate.
--johnny
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From: mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
Just in case there is a 'cultural difference'..to quote a line from the NETFLIX series Lilyhammer.....up here a 'bypass' is a secondary filter like the M-B diesel used that is much finer than the standard part and depending on how much finer and surface area somewhere between 5-15% of the oil goes through that part of the filter. The Trans Dapt brackets put all the oil to the input side of both filters simultaneously. The dual filter systems that use a seperate bypass filter use one standard and one 'bypass' filter. The microGreen build the 'bypass' into one unit.
Are we on the same page on that?
USAussie wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 17:37
> Agreed,
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> Have you verified that this filter does NOT have a bypass in it? THAT IS VERY important.
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> BTW I ordered a case of 12 Wix filters from Amazon and for some reason the vendor sent me TWO cases, that's a 24 year supply for me!
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike foster
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> The filter is a 13/16X16 thread and a gasket size of 2.5 i.d. and 2.75 o.d. I have no idea why they would not use the same filter.
>
> I have solved this little dilemma by ordering a Trans Dapt 1020 adapter and a 1030 dual remote filter bracket. That particular
> bracket takes a a Fram PH8a or equivalent.
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> The PH8a crosses to the microGreen MG412-1.
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> I'm good to go on this now!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240809 is a reply to message #240802] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 20:02 |
mikethebike
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I'm not going to touch that one.
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 19:01 |
A couple of guys when I was in college had bypass filters which fitted a roll of bathroom stationary as the element. Messy to change, but they seemed to work well. That was in the early 60', I suspect modern engines and modern oils mightn't do as well, particularly with modern papers. They made it a point to swipe the 'John Wayne' stuff the U fitted to the stalls. It wasn't prone to disintegrate.
--johnny
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From: mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
Just in case there is a 'cultural difference'..to quote a line from the NETFLIX series Lilyhammer.....up here a 'bypass' is a secondary filter like the M-B diesel used that is much finer than the standard part and depending on how much finer and surface area somewhere between 5-15% of the oil goes through that part of the filter. The Trans Dapt brackets put all the oil to the input side of both filters simultaneously. The dual filter systems that use a seperate bypass filter use one standard and one 'bypass' filter. The microGreen build the 'bypass' into one unit.
Are we on the same page on that?
USAussie wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 17:37
> Agreed,
>
> Have you verified that this filter does NOT have a bypass in it? THAT IS VERY important.
>
> BTW I ordered a case of 12 Wix filters from Amazon and for some reason the vendor sent me TWO cases, that's a 24 year supply for me!
>
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike foster
>
> The filter is a 13/16X16 thread and a gasket size of 2.5 i.d. and 2.75 o.d. I have no idea why they would not use the same filter.
>
> I have solved this little dilemma by ordering a Trans Dapt 1020 adapter and a 1030 dual remote filter bracket. That particular
> bracket takes a a Fram PH8a or equivalent.
>
> The PH8a crosses to the microGreen MG412-1.
>
> I'm good to go on this now!!
>
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>
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240816 is a reply to message #240809] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 21:19 |
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USAussie
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Mike,
I agree, however, one must admit that toilet paper and oil filters have a similar purpose which is to clean up S#!T! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: mike foster
I'm not going to touch that one.
Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 19:01
> A couple of guys when I was in college had bypass filters which fitted a roll of bathroom stationary as the element. Messy to
change, but they seemed to work well. That was in the early 60', I suspect modern engines and modern oils mightn't do as well,
particularly with modern papers. They made it a point to swipe the 'John Wayne' stuff the U fitted to the stalls. It wasn't prone
to disintegrate.
> --johnny
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240820 is a reply to message #240811] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 21:44 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""As far as the MicroGreen filter and the TransDapt goes I think I'll trust the engineers at GM that designed the 455 and 403 engine
and stick with the single non bypass filter. I will use the Wix 19 micron (0.000039 inch) filters I have but will stretch the
interval from 3000 miles as specified in the Maintenance Manual to whatever I do on a summer tour. The logic behind that decision is
that lubricating oils have improved greatly over the past forty years and I am quite confident that policy will be just fine.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426""
Rob, excuse me for entering my comments here since I'm not arguing your point but I have to put my reply somewhere.
This whole oil filter thing is interesting to me in that these home grown ideas will likely reduce engine life rather than extend it. For many years engines had no oil filters, then they had filters that needed replacement every other oil change. Then the aftermarket marketing teams convinced people that filters needed replacement every oil change. Then the vintage car collectors (read GMC owners) talked themselves into the need for extra and larger filters to try and save engines that have already shredded extra bits of metal 100,000 miles ago. If an engine needs this double and quadruple level of filtration now, it is already frapped and let it die a peaceful death. Besides, all of these extra fittings and hoses and filters will fail on their own taking an engine with it. If an engine needed an oil filter at all, most of us should have worried about it 20 years ago.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240829 is a reply to message #240820] |
Fri, 21 February 2014 23:52 |
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USAussie
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Bob,
No worries, Mate, you're basically saying what I noted and even if you disagreed I'm a big boy and can take it! ;-)
The main reason I change the oil and filter yearly is to get rid of contamination in the oil that would not be good to leave in the
engine for 8 months if storage.
Besides all up it's around $20 so what the hell.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob de Kruyff
Rob, excuse me for entering my comments here since I'm not arguing your point but I have to put my reply somewhere.
This whole oil filter thing is interesting to me in that these home grown ideas will likely reduce engine life rather than extend
it. For many years engines had no oil filters, then they had filters that needed replacement every other oil change. Then the
aftermarket marketing teams convinced people that filters needed replacement every oil change. Then the vintage car collectors (read
GMC owners) talked themselves into the need for extra and larger filters to try and save engines that have already shredded extra
bits of metal 100,000 miles ago. If an engine needs this double and quadruple level of filtration now, it is already frapped and let
it die a peaceful death. Besides, all of these extra fittings and hoses and filters will fail on their own taking an engine with it.
If an engine needed an oil filter at all, most of us should have worried about it 20 years ago.
--
Bob
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240832 is a reply to message #240829] |
Sat, 22 February 2014 00:21 |
roy1
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Talk about oil changes I just bought a 2005 Chevy trailblazer yesterday and going over the maintenance records he had the Mobil one oil and filter was changed at a Chevy dealership every 500 to 600 miles since 2005!? Now that is paranoid I'll bet the inside of the engine is real clean.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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