| OIL FILTERS [message #240338] |
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jaholland
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~> OIL FILTERS FOR THE 403 <~
~ What Is The Preferred Oil Filter For The 403 ? ~
I Am Looking For A Filter For My 1978 Eleganza II
That Is Larger Than The Standard Size AC Or Fram.
What Larger Filters Are Suggested ? ~
~ Joe ~
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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240367 is a reply to message #240338] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 12:03  |
mikethebike
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Fram lists the XG3506 as a larger alternative to the PH3675.
If you are really serious about more filter capacity you can install a dual remote system that Jegs sells for about $75.99 with free shipping. The part number is Trans-Dapt 1220. This unit uses the same filters as a stock Olds engine. It comes with 10 feet of GoodYear high pressure oil line, clamps, adapter but not filters.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240369 is a reply to message #240367] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 12:11 |
jhbridges
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I picked up filters and oil yesterday at WalMart. They didn't show a filter, but they have an 800 number to call Fram. I did so, and the guy said 'PH 5 (i think) but Walmart doesn't stock it, you have to go to the parts house". O'rielly's had the Fram number in their cross reference to Wix, which I got. I'm not a big Fram Fan.
--johnny
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Fram lists the XG3506 as a larger alternative to the PH3675.
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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240374 is a reply to message #240370] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 14:10 |
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Wix also makes the filters for CarQuest. Similar numbering system.
I use the NAPA ones, out of habit.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240402 is a reply to message #240338] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 18:30 |
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Why not just slightly shorten the change interval if you are worried about the filter. I'm way anti adding more plumbing to the oil system as increasing failure points from a number of scenarios (chafe... road debris damage etc) causing engine failure or flash fire. Plumbing adds flow restriction as well. That's physics. The GM proving tests passed at death valley and cold weather and grade tests based on AC filters and the intervals in the owners manual or they would have fixed it . If I it makes you feel better change the oil and filter every 2K or 3 mos. And AC or Wix are all I use. Fram has good advertising and bad filters.
John Lebetski
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240405 is a reply to message #240402] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 18:46 |
jhbridges
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Well, according to that data, Fram has filter media which does a good job at 30uM. Someone tell me, at what size do particles represent a potential damage to an engine?
--johnny
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Why not just slightly shorten the change interval if you are worried about the filter. I'm way anti adding more plumbing to the oil system as increasing failure points from a number of scenarios (chafe... road debris damage etc) causing engine failure or flash fire. Plumbing adds flow restriction as well. That's physics. The GM proving tests passed at death valley and cold weather and grade tests based on AC filters and the intervals in the owners manual or they would have fixed it . If I it makes you feel better change the oil and filter every 2K or 3 mos. And AC or Wix are all I use. Fram has good advertising and bad filters.
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John Lebetski
Chicago, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240408 is a reply to message #240405] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 19:10 |
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Johnny,
I have no idea but logic dictates the smaller the particles that a filter will remove the better. The Wix filters are 19 micron's
IIRC.
I would also think that it's not only a function of particle size but also quantity of the particles.
Simply put the less "stuff" circulating around the engine lubricating system the better.
Bob de K has noted we're all paranoid and change oil / filters more than necessary and he's probably correct, however, it makes us
feel good so what the hell! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Well, according to that data, Fram has filter media which does a good job at 30uM. Someone tell me, at what size do particles
represent a potential damage to an engine?
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240412 is a reply to message #240408] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 19:22 |
jhbridges
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There's a size below which it just doesn't matter e.g. the carbon particles that turn the oil jet black in my VW diesels. Someone - maybe Matt - said they were small enough it doesn't matter. And it obviously doesn't, they normally will run past 300k miles with reasonable maintenance.
--johnny
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From: Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
Johnny,
I have no idea but logic dictates the smaller the particles that a filter will remove the better. The Wix filters are 19 micron's
IIRC.
I would also think that it's not only a function of particle size but also quantity of the particles.
Simply put the less "stuff" circulating around the engine lubricating system the better.
Bob de K has noted we're all paranoid and change oil / filters more than necessary and he's probably correct, however, it makes us
feel good so what the hell! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Well, according to that data, Fram has filter media which does a good job at 30uM. Someone tell me, at what size do particles
represent a potential damage to an engine?
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS [message #240419 is a reply to message #240412] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 19:57 |
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USAussie
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Yep,
Wix reckons its 19 micron and Fram reckons its 30 microns! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OIL FILTERS
There's a size below which it just doesn't matter e.g. the carbon particles that turn the oil jet black in my VW diesels. Someone -
maybe Matt - said they were small enough it doesn't matter. And it obviously doesn't, they normally will run past 300k miles with
reasonable maintenance.
--johnny
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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240432 is a reply to message #240338] |
Tue, 18 February 2014 22:47 |
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~ Thanks For All Of Your Input.
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The Olds 403 Calls For The Following Possible Oil Filters;
Wix ------------- # 51045
NAPA Gold ---- # 1045
Hastings ------- # LF 230 F
Fram ----------- # PH 3675
Casite --------- # CF 45
Baldwin ------- # B 30
AC/DELCO ---- # PF 61 F
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* Loffen
listed the oil filter study which showed the following;
- OIL FILTER BRAND -- / - OIL FILTER VALUE - / - Overall GRADE
Fram Extended Guard - / ----- 'A' ---------- / --- 349
Mobil 1 ------------------ / ----- 'B' ---------- / --- 327
Royal Purple ----------- / ----- 'A' ---------- / --- 309
AMSOL ----------------- / ----- 'A' ---------- / --- 302
WIX -------------------- / ----- 'C' ---------- / --- 282
(NAPA Gold)
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* I Was Raising The Question Regarding The Small Size
Of The Fram PH3675 And The AC/DELCO PF61F Oil Filters.
In My Humble Opinion they Seem To Be Too Small Of A
Oil Filter For The 6.6L 403 Olds V/8 Motor.
* Mike
suggested installing the $75.99 JEGS Transmission Dept
# 1220 Dual Remote Oil Filter System
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It Was Also Suggested That The Larger Fram PH 3506
Extended Guard Oil Filter Be Used Instead Of The
Current Small Fram PF 3675.
SO BASED SOLELY ON YOUR RECCOMENDATIONS
AND THE ABOVE LISTED FACTS
I Will Switch To
The Larger Fram PH 3506 ExtendedGuard Oil Filter
For Usage In Our 1978 GMC Eleganza II
ALSO
Investigate The Usage AND Consider Installing The
$75.99 JEGS Transmission Dept # 1220 Dual Remote
Oil Filter System
~ Joe ~
* Bendix Purchased Fram and Autolite ~
** Raytheon Purchased Bendix
*** Seagrams Purchased Bendix ~
**** Allied Signal Purchased Bendix ~
***** Square D Purchased Bendix ~
****** Honeywell Purchased Bendix ~
******* G E Purchased Bendix
******* Bosch Purchased Autolite
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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240475 is a reply to message #240432] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 10:18 |
mikethebike
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Plus, on the dual filter system you can use a bypass filter in one location. I have tried to locate a <10micron bypass but the only one I can find in an AMSOIL item and it cost around $35.00. I've contacted microGREEN about their 2 stage spin on filter that goes in place of the stock unit without having to spend the time and $$$$$ for the dual set up but have not heard back from them as of today. Their MG200-6 lists for a 2002 Chevy S10 and that filer should fit an OLDS. I just don't know how large it is. If it will work but is too small it could go in the dual system for the same price as ONE AMSOIL. The microGREEN claims 2-5 micron filtration on the bypass portion.
| jaholland wrote on Tue, 18 February 2014 22:47 |
~ Thanks For All Of Your Input.
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The Olds 403 Calls For The Following Possible Oil Filters;
Wix ------------- # 51045
NAPA Gold ---- # 1045
Hastings ------- # LF 230 F
Fram ----------- # PH 3675
Casite --------- # CF 45
Baldwin ------- # B 30
AC/DELCO ---- # PF 61 F
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
* Loffen
listed the oil filter study which showed the following;
- OIL FILTER BRAND -- / - OIL FILTER VALUE - / - Overall GRADE
Fram Extended Guard - / ----- 'A' ---------- / --- 349
Mobil 1 ------------------ / ----- 'B' ---------- / --- 327
Royal Purple ----------- / ----- 'A' ---------- / --- 309
AMSOL ----------------- / ----- 'A' ---------- / --- 302
WIX -------------------- / ----- 'C' ---------- / --- 282
(NAPA Gold)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
* I Was Raising The Question Regarding The Small Size
Of The Fram PH3675 And The AC/DELCO PF61F Oil Filters.
In My Humble Opinion they Seem To Be Too Small Of A
Oil Filter For The 6.6L 403 Olds V/8 Motor.
* Mike
suggested installing the $75.99 JEGS Transmission Dept
# 1220 Dual Remote Oil Filter System
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It Was Also Suggested That The Larger Fram PH 3506
Extended Guard Oil Filter Be Used Instead Of The
Current Small Fram PF 3675.
SO BASED SOLELY ON YOUR RECCOMENDATIONS
AND THE ABOVE LISTED FACTS
I Will Switch To
The Larger Fram PH 3506 ExtendedGuard Oil Filter
For Usage In Our 1978 GMC Eleganza II
ALSO
Investigate The Usage AND Consider Installing The
$75.99 JEGS Transmission Dept # 1220 Dual Remote
Oil Filter System
~ Joe ~
* Bendix Purchased Fram and Autolite ~
** Raytheon Purchased Bendix
*** Seagrams Purchased Bendix ~
**** Allied Signal Purchased Bendix ~
***** Square D Purchased Bendix ~
****** Honeywell Purchased Bendix ~
******* G E Purchased Bendix
******* Bosch Purchased Autolite
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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240480 is a reply to message #240338] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 11:05 |
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There is also the school of thought that too small a filter clogs too easily and causes a pressure drop. Iarger filter = more area = less pressure drop in theory.
I have run the dual remote setup [commonly use long ford ph8 type filters] on cars and checked the outlet pressure vs the block pressure and only lost 5#. Gives and requires extra oil capacity too but whether that is of any real benifit is uncertain.
I used to cut apart the filters [with a Moroso tool that leaves no particles] to see what was stopped. You would be surprised.
Have also used an Oberg filter that used various micron rated mesh screens that are reusable - but they were expensive.
Its all rather esoteric for our applications. If you use a good oil, a decent filter [even fram] and change it...
76 Glenbrook
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| Re: OIL FILTERS [message #240518 is a reply to message #240338] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 19:05 |
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The issue with Fram is mostly bad internal fit not always routing oil thru the media. 1 Wix in stock location for me. More isn't always better but it keeps speed shops in business.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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