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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239737 is a reply to message #239731] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 16:40   |
Ken Henderson
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Wow! I'm sure going to check my chemicals more closely in the future! I
already barely dodged one of those hazards back in the '70's when I tried
cleaning our Gunite swimming pool with muriatic acid -- and then liquid
chlorine. The resultant chlorine gas almost got me before I reached fresh
air. And some of my lung congestion today may be due to that I inhaled. :-(
Ken H.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
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> I got this from a friend and thought I would forward it to the GMCnet.
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> http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239745 is a reply to message #239737] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 17:02 |
Otterwan
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Uh, interesting, but also the guy was not using the brake cleaner in any way it was intended to be used, and then he welded right through even after he saw it. Sort of like saying your car battery can kill you if you use the acid to clean your shoes.
I would rack that one up to stupidity more than anything else
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239747 is a reply to message #239737] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 17:05 |
emerystora
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Is that really such a surprise?
Most hydrocarbon products are going to break down into dangerous compounds when heated.
These things are also poisonous when ingested and also when absorbed into the skin.
So is antifreeze, transmission fluid , windshield washer solution, motor oil, gasoline, and almost any other liquid used in an automobile.
They have all been poisonous way before you were born. Nothing has changed.
Some other commonly used chemicals have been taken off the market in the past such as carbon tetrachloride. I used to go the the local drugstore and buy bottles of it to use to clean my bicycle parts. Now I find it causes cancer.
Everyone should just use caution and common sense when working with anything that is not a common foodstuff.
Emery Stora
> On Feb 12, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Wow! I'm sure going to check my chemicals more closely in the future! I
> already barely dodged one of those hazards back in the '70's when I tried
> cleaning our Gunite swimming pool with muriatic acid -- and then liquid
> chlorine. The resultant chlorine gas almost got me before I reached fresh
> air. And some of my lung congestion today may be due to that I inhaled. :-(
>
> Ken H.
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>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
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>> G'day,
>>
>> I got this from a friend and thought I would forward it to the GMCnet.
>>
>> http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239749 is a reply to message #239737] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 17:14 |
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ljdavick
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Ken,
I had a similar experience. We were acid etching a concrete floor prior to applying an epoxy coating at an industrial building. The fellow who delivered the carboys didn't notice that 2 of them were pool-chlorine. The muriatic etch is pretty stinky, so the building was mostly vacant, but once the hypochlorite hit the floor, even with our respirators on, we immediately began to cough and hack. Everyone ran for the doors.
I've often thought that this damaged my lungs, though I have no evidence of it.
Chemistry is nothing to mess with. I think about the chemical interactions when spraying brake-kleen and letting it drool into a pail of who knows what's in there. You'd think I'd learn to clean the pail first...
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Henderson" <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: "gmclist" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:40:41 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!!
Wow! I'm sure going to check my chemicals more closely in the future! I
already barely dodged one of those hazards back in the '70's when I tried
cleaning our Gunite swimming pool with muriatic acid -- and then liquid
chlorine. The resultant chlorine gas almost got me before I reached fresh
air. And some of my lung congestion today may be due to that I inhaled. :-(
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239750 is a reply to message #239747] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 17:19 |
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USAussie
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Emery,
It damn sure was to me so that's why I sent it in!
Once again I guess I've shown how bloody stupid I am! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Emery Stora
Is that really such a surprise?
Most hydrocarbon products are going to break down into dangerous compounds when heated.
These things are also poisonous when ingested and also when absorbed into the skin.
So is antifreeze, transmission fluid , windshield washer solution, motor oil, gasoline, and almost any other liquid used in an
automobile.
They have all been poisonous way before you were born. Nothing has changed.
Some other commonly used chemicals have been taken off the market in the past such as carbon tetrachloride. I used to go the the
local drugstore and buy bottles of it to use to clean my bicycle parts. Now I find it causes cancer.
Everyone should just use caution and common sense when working with anything that is not a common foodstuff.
Emery Stora
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239754 is a reply to message #239731] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 17:29 |
Keith V
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I think the take away from this is it was just a piny drop of brake cleaner that he vaporized, not a 55 gallon drum of chlorine mixed with HCl!
just that little puff of gas almost killed him and definitely injured him. He WILL be feeling this for the rest of his life.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239756 is a reply to message #239750] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 17:36 |
emerystora
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No, you certainly are not stupid. I understand how, if you haven't worked around chemicals , you might not have known that. I think it is good that you have highlighted this problem as there are many others that don't realize all the harmful substances surrounding them.
Emery Stora
> On Feb 12, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
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> Emery,
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> It damn sure was to me so that's why I sent it in!
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> Once again I guess I've shown how bloody stupid I am! ;-)
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emery Stora
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> Is that really such a surprise?
> Most hydrocarbon products are going to break down into dangerous compounds when heated.
>
> These things are also poisonous when ingested and also when absorbed into the skin.
>
> So is antifreeze, transmission fluid , windshield washer solution, motor oil, gasoline, and almost any other liquid used in an
> automobile.
>
> They have all been poisonous way before you were born. Nothing has changed.
>
> Some other commonly used chemicals have been taken off the market in the past such as carbon tetrachloride. I used to go the the
> local drugstore and buy bottles of it to use to clean my bicycle parts. Now I find it causes cancer.
>
> Everyone should just use caution and common sense when working with anything that is not a common foodstuff.
>
> Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239759 is a reply to message #239737] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 17:43 |
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Although no one here has mentioned ultrasonic cleaners you should be aware - most chlorinated solvents, trichlorethylene in particular, will give off phosgene when excited in an ultrasonic cleaner. Don't even put carb cleaner and carb parts or brake cleaner and small parts in one. I bring this up cos I had - dunno where it is now - one of the Heathkit ones. The manual; cautioned you about this.
--johnny
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From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!!
Wow! I'm sure going to check my chemicals more closely in the future! I
already barely dodged one of those hazards back in the '70's when I tried
cleaning our Gunite swimming pool with muriatic acid -- and then liquid
chlorine. The resultant chlorine gas almost got me before I reached fresh
air. And some of my lung congestion today may be due to that I inhaled. :-(
Ken H.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
>
> I got this from a friend and thought I would forward it to the GMCnet.
>
> http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239768 is a reply to message #239747] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 18:12 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Is that really such a surprise?
Most hydrocarbon products are going to break down into dangerous compounds when heated.
These things are also poisonous when ingested and also when absorbed into the skin.
So is antifreeze, transmission fluid , windshield washer solution, motor oil, gasoline, and almost any other liquid used in an automobile.
They have all been poisonous way before you were born. Nothing has changed.
Some other commonly used chemicals have been taken off the market in the past such as carbon tetrachloride. I used to go the the local drugstore and buy bottles of it to use to clean my bicycle parts. Now I find it causes cancer.
Everyone should just use caution and common sense when working with anything that is not a common foodstuff.
""
So true--I'm surprised I'm still alive when I think of the stuff we played with and used. We used to play with mercury, cleaned with carbon tet, sprayed with deet, and so on.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239773 is a reply to message #239768] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 18:47 |
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USAussie
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Bob,
Me too!
My sterling moment was when I was rebuilding a Honda 305 motorcycle. I bought a couple of gallons of aluminum cleaner (brown stuff)
used the ceramic bathtub as the parts cleaner.
The tin noted to wear solvent proof gloves when using the product but I didn't need to do that I was 23 and BULLET PROOF (read
stupid)!
Two days later all the skin on my hands turned brown and began to flake off.
AW S#!T!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Bob de Kruyff
So true--I'm surprised I'm still alive when I think of the stuff we played with and used. We used to play with mercury, cleaned with
carbon tet, sprayed with deet, and so on.
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Bob
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239774 is a reply to message #239744] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 18:53 |
Jim Miller
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On Feb 12, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Matt Colie wrote:
> They are, however, (Robin take note) very toxic to wasps and can shoot them down mid-flight.
1-1-1-trichloroethane is (was) a stellar anti-wasp agent. Would like to have back all of it that was used for that purpose by people I know.
--Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza II
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239778 is a reply to message #239759] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 19:11 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 12 February 2014 15:43 |
Although no one here has mentioned ultrasonic cleaners you should be aware - most chlorinated solvents, trichlorethylene in particular, will give off phosgene when excited in an ultrasonic cleaner. Don't even put carb cleaner and carb parts or brake cleaner and small parts in one. I bring this up cos I had - dunno where it is now - one of the Heathkit ones. The manual; cautioned you about this.
--johnny
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Johnny:
Not saying you are wrong, but, and respectively asked....
If you ever come across the Heathkit manual, for the ultrasonic cleaner, I would be interested in reading the exact quote as to the danger of a chlorinated solvent(c/s)/ultrasonic conversion to phosgene gas.
I had never heard of that, so I did a quick google search and could not find any reference to it - Nearly every reference to (c/s) was high temp/open flame > phosgene.
Without knowing the exact quote, I wonder if the danger was, and bad enough in it's own right, to the ultrasonic process "atomizing/misting" the (c/s) and other "solvents" such that they become a greater inhalation danger?
But it never hurts to be cautious/careful around any solvent use.
And to this day.... Even though I have become/gotten pretty immune to the "smell" of solvents.... I still can not stand the reek of Carburetor Cleaner 
I also just went out into my garage and checked the several different brands of brake cleaner I had - The all stated they were non-chlorinated and contained mostly either acetone or methanol - Along with some heptane and CO2
Carl P.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Brake Cleaner is POISION!!! [message #239792 is a reply to message #239731] |
Wed, 12 February 2014 21:00 |
Ernest Dankert
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The lesson here is the dose makes the poison. Lethal dose of antifreeze has been documented from a cut in the hand. Gasoline is predominately benzene which is suspect in leukemia from chronic exposure.
Heavy metal exposure from mercury vapors, lead (cleaning battery posts, soldering), cadmium (welding plated fasteners), zinc (welding galvanized plating). Welding on stainless steel is hi risk due to Cr6 (lung cancer) and requires special precautions.
Comment on phosgene, soldering or brazing on refrigerant lines is hi risk. As noted before the lethal dose is low and it goes down very easy, smells like new mowed grass. You will survive approximately 1/2 day until your lungs give out. It is a grisly death. There was an industrial fatality where an employee caught 70# in his work zone. He drove himself to medical which took him to emergency and they did not want to admit until Plant Manager intervened.
Auto painting carries hazards from vapor inhalation, silica inhalation from sand blast. I held a cadavers lungs that you could use for cribbing, he was a mason's helper. Certain auto paints require supplied air respirators. The paint vapors cause the body to produce allergens and after a point you succomb to analphalactic(sp) shock.
Excuse me while I go back to retirement.
1977 Eleganza II
Ogden NY
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