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Switch pitch cores [message #238380] Sat, 01 February 2014 12:38 Go to next message
Chris Tyler is currently offline  Chris Tyler   United States
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Found two 67 SP cores on our local [Tampa FL] craigslist. I understand these can be used to make a SP TH425.
$200 for both!

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/pts/4307908825.html

Since I am local I can assist with purchase, shipping or hold if someone is interested.

I wouldn't mind having one myself in case I ever have to pull mine. PO had it redone, no issues rt now. So I might pick up one of them and spilt the cost.



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Re: [GMCnet] Switch pitch cores [message #238402 is a reply to message #238380] Sat, 01 February 2014 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Chris,

These are TH-400's which are straight through; you need a TH-425 with the chain case and gears for a front wheel drive GMC.

You cannot make a TH-425 out of a TH-400. You can convert a non switch pitch TH-425 into a switch pitch TH-425; er - well Manny can
that is. ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Tyler

Found two 67 SP cores on our local [Tampa FL] craigslist. I understand these can be used to make a SP TH425.
$200 for both!

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/pts/4307908825.html

Since I am local I can assist with purchase, shipping or hold if someone is interested.

I wouldn't mind having one myself in case I ever have to pull mine. PO had it redone, no issues rt now. So I might pick up one of
them and spilt the cost.


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Re: Switch pitch cores [message #238826 is a reply to message #238380] Tue, 04 February 2014 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Tyler is currently offline  Chris Tyler   United States
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Yes, I know. But it is my understanding that you need a switch pitch core to build a switch pitch TH425 as the parts are not otherwise availible.

BTW a correction to the ad in that the seller wants $200 each, but will make a better deal for both. If anyone is interested, hit me up.

Even if I never put the switch pitch in the GMC, it might find its way into another musclecar.


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Re: [GMCnet] Switch pitch cores [message #238831 is a reply to message #238826] Tue, 04 February 2014 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Chris,

I believe Manny can build a TH-425 switch pitch from a non-switch pitch TH-425. Give him a call.

http://www.mannystransmission.biz/

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Tyler

Yes, I know. But it is my understanding that you need a switch pitch core to build a switch pitch TH425 as the parts are not
otherwise availible.

BTW a correction to the ad in that the seller wants $200 each, but will make a better deal for both. If anyone is interested, hit me
up.

Even if I never put the switch pitch in the GMC, it might find its way into another musclecar.

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Re: [GMCnet] Switch pitch cores [message #238867 is a reply to message #238831] Wed, 05 February 2014 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chris,
unfortunately the only parts that can be used for a th-425 switch-pitch
from those th400 trannies, are the converters. Some of the parts in the
trannies can be swapped but not for the switch-pitch application.
Even if you find a th-425 swich-pitch tranny, it needs to be upgraded for
use in the motorhome. The center support needs to be reworked to
incorporate the fretting ring, the sun gear and forward hub oil holes need
to be enlarged tor better fluid cooling. You also need the pump with the
thicker gears for more volume. The direct drum also needs more clutches.
There were some improvements in the tranny by the time the motorhome came
along. More improvements were done on the th-400 after the th-425 was
phased out that I use on my rebuilds.
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Re: [GMCnet] Switch pitch cores [message #238872 is a reply to message #238831] Wed, 05 February 2014 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I may be wrong but i think the only parts in a TH400 switch pitch that are useable for a TH425 SP conversion are the torque converter and SP solenoid. The other SP specific parts like the valve body and pump housing are not interchangeable between a TH400 & a TH425.

The torque converter should be overhauled and are hard to find but still obtainable with out a core to exchange. The solenoid is also available as a new part if you look hard enough.

Hardly worth investing in a TH400 SP unless you need one.

Les Burt
Montreal
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A work in Progress



On Feb 5, 2014, at 12:01 AM, "Robert Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:

Chris,

I believe Manny can build a TH-425 switch pitch from a non-switch pitch TH-425. Give him a call.

http://www.mannystransmission.biz/

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Tyler

Yes, I know. But it is my understanding that you need a switch pitch core to build a switch pitch TH425 as the parts are not
otherwise availible.

BTW a correction to the ad in that the seller wants $200 each, but will make a better deal for both. If anyone is interested, hit me
up.

Even if I never put the switch pitch in the GMC, it might find its way into another musclecar.

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Re: Switch pitch cores [message #238879 is a reply to message #238380] Wed, 05 February 2014 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Tyler is currently offline  Chris Tyler   United States
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Manny, if you build a TH425 can you convert it to swich pitch w/o a TH425 SP core?
If the solenoid and converter are availible then is there any good reason to pick these up?

I may actually have one of your transmissions in my coach now. PO [Slats Schuster] had it replaced 'shipped From a speciallist out west'. I gave him 3 names and he thought it was you. I have a pile of reciepts including the R& R on it [shop in N GA near ATL] but not for the trans itself. Is there any external tag, number or marking that you have to identify it?


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Re: [GMCnet] Switch pitch cores [message #238899 is a reply to message #238872] Wed, 05 February 2014 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Les,

I bought a spare switch pitch torque convertor from:

http://tinyurl.com/7ewq89x

I had a switch pitch torque converter rebuilt by:

http://www.raceconverters.com/

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Burt

I may be wrong but i think the only parts in a TH400 switch pitch that are useable for a TH425 SP conversion are the torque
converter and SP solenoid. The other SP specific parts like the valve body and pump housing are not interchangeable between a TH400
& a TH425.

The torque converter should be overhauled and are hard to find but still obtainable with out a core to exchange. The solenoid is
also available as a new part if you look hard enough.

Hardly worth investing in a TH400 SP unless you need one.

Les

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Re: [GMCnet] Switch pitch cores [message #238928 is a reply to message #238899] Wed, 05 February 2014 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't use any parts from a th-400 to build a th-425 switch-pitch.
I have converted some non switch-pitch to switch-pitch.
Not all th-425 trannies can be converted to switch-pitch. 70-73 are easier.
68-69 needs hard parts. 74-78 seldom can be converted to switch-pitch.
It's alot easier to start with a switch-pitch though <G>
Look at the bellhousing for the tag plate. Lower part starts with two
numbers, two letters, three or four numbers.

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Re: [GMCnet] Switch pitch cores [message #238932 is a reply to message #238879] Wed, 05 February 2014 20:21 Go to previous message
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Chris,

Since Manny didn't tell you how to tell if you have one of his
transmissions, I will: If all the fasteners are stainless steel, it's
almost certainly a Manny Tranny; he won't use anything else 'cause that's
his trademark.

Ken H.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:

>
>
> Manny, if you build a TH425 can you convert it to swich pitch w/o a TH425
> SP core?
> If the solenoid and converter are availible then is there any good reason
> to pick these up?
>
> I may actually have one of your transmissions in my coach now. PO [Slats
> Schuster] had it replaced 'shipped From a speciallist out west'. I gave him
> 3 names and he thought it was you. I have a pile of reciepts including the
> R& R on it [shop in N GA near ATL] but not for the trans itself. Is there
> any external tag, number or marking that you have to identify it?
> --
>
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