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OT: Water in underground LP supply line [message #237658] Mon, 27 January 2014 16:44 Go to next message
rcjordan   United States
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The first time, I thought maybe it was contaminated fuel or perhaps there was the remote chance that I had left the line open long enough for condensation to form. My friend, who co-owns an LP company (he was in charge of installations and repairs. decades of experience) purged the line and commented that "this is weird, I've not seen this much condensation before." Anyway, I put it on the vigilance list. The lines haven't been left open except for a minute while changing tanks and even then I close the ball valve so that just the dual tank manifold is open.

Two years later, I have enough water in the line that during the past deep freezes the line is plugged by ice. When we get a thaw, like today, I can relight the gas logs. Having spent the last hour or so purging the line with an air compressor to get ready for tomorrow's snowstorm, I'm asking gmcnet if anyone else has had similar experience?

Here's my setup:
2 x 40# aluminum tanks on a manual switch-over manifold with a hi-pressure regulator. The 3/8" OD copper line is exposed for 8 feet before it enters a 4" chase pipe. It then travels 75 feet, loops up next to the foundation where a low-pressure regulator is installed, then goes back underground 25 feet before surfacing in the crawl space under the gas logs.


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Re: OT: Water in underground LP supply line [message #237671 is a reply to message #237658] Mon, 27 January 2014 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hal kading is currently offline  hal kading   United States
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We purchased a new travel trailer many years ago. Heater would go out at night when temp went below freezing. Finally figured out the propane tanks hadn't been dried after pressure testing at factory. Inverted the tanks, opened the valves and got a lot of water out. Solved problem.

It got so cold in the trailer the dog's water dish froze!

Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
Re: [GMCnet] OT: Water in underground LP supply line [message #237700 is a reply to message #237671] Mon, 27 January 2014 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Hal Kading <halkading@fastwave.biz> wrote:

>
>
> We purchased a new travel trailer many years ago. Heater would go out at
> night when temp went below freezing. Finally figured out the propane tanks
> hadn't been dried after pressure testing at factory. Inverted the tanks,
> opened the valves and got a lot of water out. Solved problem.
>
> It got so cold in the trailer the dog's water dish froze!
>
> Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
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Re: [GMCnet] OT: Water in underground LP supply line [message #237701 is a reply to message #237658] Mon, 27 January 2014 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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I thought there was a requirement for even our ASME tanks to be purged
periodically, even though I've never done it. But the only reference I
find is for purging of new tanks. That procedure is outlined on page 10 of
this handbook -- you may need to follow that procedure:

http://www.bergquistinc.com/sites/default/files/academy_guides/Handbook.pdf

Ken H.

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:44 PM, RC Jordan wrote:

>
>
> The first time, I thought maybe it was contaminated fuel or perhaps there
> was the remote chance that I had left the line open long enough for
> condensation to form. My friend, who co-owns an LP company (he was in
> charge of installations and repairs. decades of experience) purged the line
> and commented that "this is weird, I've not seen this much condensation
> before." Anyway, I put it on the vigilance list. The lines haven't been
> left open except for a minute while changing tanks and even then I close
> the ball valve so that just the dual tank manifold is open.
>
> Two years later, I have enough water in the line that during the past deep
> freezes the line is plugged by ice. When we get a thaw, like today, I can
> relight the gas logs. Having spent the last hour or so purging the line
> with an air compressor to get ready for tomorrow's snowstorm, I'm asking
> gmcnet if anyone else has had similar experience?
>
> Here's my setup:
> 2 x 40# aluminum tanks on a manual switch-over manifold with a hi-pressure
> regulator. The 3/8" OD copper line is exposed for 8 feet before it enters
> a 4" chase pipe. It then travels 75 feet, loops up next to the foundation
> where a low-pressure regulator is installed, then goes back underground 25
> feet before surfacing in the crawl space under the gas logs.
> --
>
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Re: OT: Water in underground LP supply line [message #237760 is a reply to message #237658] Tue, 28 January 2014 07:38 Go to previous message
rcjordan   United States
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While these were new tanks, they are 40# aluminum --very lightweight so that I could take them to be refilled easily. When empty, I can lift them easily with one hand and they are shaken around quite a bit when I'm loading them it the van. It's possible -but not likely, IMO- that I could have missed 4-6 oz of water sloshing around in each, so I will double-check the next tank that's empty.

Searching some more, I've now found a very few mentions of condensation in LP lines (more instances for natural gas). The recommendation is to have some methanol put in the tank and/or install drip legs at the lowest point.

http://www.zillerelectric.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1243.html

Methanol in Propane:
http://www.propanecouncil.org/uploadedFiles/FS_11992%20Using%20Methanol%20in%20Propane.pdf


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