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non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236781] Mon, 20 January 2014 17:31 Go to next message
rcjordan   United States
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I happened to have read this article over the weekend but sorta dismissed it.

Nissan Sells 100,000 LEAFs, Captures 48% Of Worldwide Market To Date
http://insideevs.com/nissan-sells-100000-leafs-captures-48-of-worldwide-market-to-date/

Meh, 100k, 200k total, big deal.

Just now read:
'Charge rage': Too many electric cars, not enough workplace chargers
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24947237/too-many-electric-cars-not-enough-workplace-chargers

EVs have a pulse.



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Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236783 is a reply to message #236781] Mon, 20 January 2014 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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rcjordan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 17:31

I happened to have read this article over the weekend but sorta dismissed it.

Nissan Sells 100,000 LEAFs, Captures 48% Of Worldwide Market To Date
http://insideevs.com/nissan-sells-100000-leafs-captures-48-of-worldwide-market-to-date/

Meh, 100k, 200k total, big deal.

Just now read:
'Charge rage': Too many electric cars, not enough workplace chargers
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24947237/too-many-electric-cars-not-enough-workplace-chargers

EVs have a pulse.
For now. When the Gov't gets smart and learns to add road tax to the electricity that charges EVs, the price per mile loses its edge, and the savings per mile fail to overcome the difference in purchase price.

They still have the advantage that they keep the pollution out where the power is being generated instead of the central city.
Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236784 is a reply to message #236781] Mon, 20 January 2014 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rcjordan   United States
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I believe North Carolina just added a $100 annual road use fee for EVs. That'll get the gov's toe in the door for now.

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Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236786 is a reply to message #236784] Mon, 20 January 2014 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry is currently offline  Harry   Canada
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A freind has a Prius and loves it.
$85 for gas Southern California to Vancouver Island.
Back in Ontario, CANADA, there's noise about being taxed per kilometre, seeing as how they are not using as much gas now.
Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236788 is a reply to message #236781] Mon, 20 January 2014 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I bought the wife a Honda Fit based almost entirely on the recommendation of gmcnet. She got into hyper-miling with that thing and routinely averages 38mpg and often 40 (this is calculated by the pump receipts, not the dash mpg readout). At the price of the Fit, neither EVs or hybrids can compete on total cost of ownership. In fact, one of the Honda salesmen told me some smart Honda Hybrid owners are trading down to the Fit.

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Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236789 is a reply to message #236786] Mon, 20 January 2014 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Harry wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 17:47

A freind has a Prius and loves it.
$85 for gas Southern California to Vancouver Island.
Back in Ontario, CANADA, there's noise about being taxed per kilometre, seeing as how they are not using as much gas now.


It amazes me that folks don't seem to consider the cost of battery replacement and disposal when they talk about how efficient EVs are.

Only talking about the cost of GASOLINE on a hybrid vehicle is like saying your total food bill is only based on the cost of water you drink.


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L

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Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236791 is a reply to message #236784] Mon, 20 January 2014 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Oregon has a pilot program where they put gps trackers in electric as well
as hybrids, I believe that the number of Vehicles was around 5000. They are
going to track the use for a year to determine how much revenue the State
will lose in gasoline taxes. When the analysts get through with the data,
they will figure out a "comparable usage" tax rate for those vehicles. IF
ANY! (heh heh.)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
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On Jan 20, 2014 3:43 PM, "RC Jordan" <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:

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> I believe North Carolina just added a $100 annual road use fee for EVs.
> That'll get the gov's toe in the door for now.
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Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236806 is a reply to message #236789] Mon, 20 January 2014 18:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 18:53

Harry wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 17:47

A freind has a Prius and loves it.
$85 for gas Southern California to Vancouver Island.
Back in Ontario, CANADA, there's noise about being taxed per kilometre, seeing as how they are not using as much gas now.

It amazes me that folks don't seem to consider the cost of battery replacement and disposal when they talk about how efficient EVs are.

Only talking about the cost of GASOLINE on a hybrid vehicle is like saying your total food bill is only based on the cost of water you drink.

That is all part of the Law of Unintended Consequences. (That legislators religiously refuse to anticipate or examine.)
An acquaintance with a Prius (I think) told me he was not concerned about the battery because it is warranted against failure for 10 years. (It is not actually warranted against diminished capacity as they are programed to only run between 80% and 40% of the actual new bank capacity.) That's nice for him, but I don't own a vehicle that is less than 10 years old.

I did own a '79 Rabbit Diesel that did between 56 and 58 MPG on the highway, but only 46 in town. It was better than the '60 MB 190Db that would do 40+ on the highway and 32 in town but that was a much larger and very comfortable car. I sold it with 330K on it.

Matt


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Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236834 is a reply to message #236789] Mon, 20 January 2014 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 17:53

It amazes me that folks don't seem to consider the cost of battery replacement and disposal when they talk about how efficient EVs are.

Only talking about the cost of GASOLINE on a hybrid vehicle is like saying your total food bill is only based on the cost of water you drink.
Nobody plans to replace the batteries. The car is meant to be turned in for scrap when the batteries finally fail completely (10+ years or so).

And battery disposal is not a problem. They just get recycled like the billion laptop and cell phone batteries annually (they are all just lithium ion).

The salvage yard sends the battery pack to a recycler and crushes the rest into a cube. It all eventually gets shipped to Japan to make another car.

Think of it as a circle of life kind of thing.
Re: non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236850 is a reply to message #236788] Tue, 21 January 2014 00:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My daughter bought a Fit about 2 years ago and she loves it. She averages 37.

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Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236864 is a reply to message #236788] Tue, 21 January 2014 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My three Diesel VWs cost me $1200, 600, and 0 to acquire.  If the turbos fell below 35 or the NA one fell below 45, I went looking for the problem.   Second owner wins :):)
 
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I bought the wife a Honda Fit based almost entirely on the recommendation of gmcnet. She got into hyper-miling with that thing and routinely averages 38mpg and often 40 (this is calculated by the pump receipts, not the dash mpg readout).  At the price of the Fit, neither EVs or hybrids can compete on total cost of ownership.  In fact, one of the Honda salesmen told me some smart Honda Hybrid owners are trading down to the Fit.

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Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #236909 is a reply to message #236864] Tue, 21 January 2014 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My son often enjoys driving my GMC coach; that said, he likes his VOLT even more. It is comfortable and he can drive forever as the generator recharges the battery during driving. It sips fuel in the generator to about 40mpg. With a nice rebate in CA, the cost of ownership is OK.

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Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Well, maybe EVs are going to make it [message #237336 is a reply to message #236909] Fri, 24 January 2014 19:11 Go to previous message
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There are hybrids (mild to strong), plug in hybrids, and pure electrics. They all have their place and they are here to stay. Hydraulic brakes met with a lot of resistance from old timers as well.

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