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| Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US? [message #236733 is a reply to message #236716] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 12:33   |
k2gkk
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The "Smart" is hardly a valid option here. Very small, and lots of "reasonably sized" vehicles with far higher utility and fuel consumption figures that are close to that of the "Smart."
And Diesel fuel prices now would require fuel mileage of probably at least 20% higher than gasoline vehicles to give any advantage. My own experience with Diesel (2004 F-250) and the greatly higher maintenance costs told me that it was an overall bad deal. Quoth the raven "Nevermore."
Getting service for a Smart is another kettle of smelly fish. Only one dealer (if even still open) in the whole state of Oklahoma.
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:38:25 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US?
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> rcjordan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 10:19
> > Price is high, but it's hot in Europe and read that mpg...
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> > 74 mpg, auto parking and more tech than a space shuttle.
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> > http://www.redferret.net/?p=42263
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> > http://www.auto123.com/en/car-reviews/new/2014-nissan-qashqai-first-impressions?artid=159746
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> > (I'm not keen on the 'more tech than a space shuttle' aspect -prefer KISS- but this still looks like a good car for the US market.)
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> Some of us have had diesels most of our driving lives. Those that didn't got a bad taste from the Olds diesels of the late 70s. They pretty much soured the American public on the idea, and now with the tight rules on diesel dust (proven to be a non-issue by five very serious and complete studies) they are difficult to make cost effective. That is why we can't get the diesel smart here either, but I can go across the river and buy one.
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> That is also part of why hybrids aren't selling in Europe. Electric power is more expensive (like it will be here very soon (not an opinion - coal power is soon to be rendered uneconomic by EPA rules) and the little diesels get better overall fuel economy and cost less.
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US? [message #236735 is a reply to message #236733] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 12:47 |
Ken Henderson
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At the Lazy Days ralies last week, I talked to two Smart Car owners which
convinced me I'll never be tempted to buy one.
One of them had a flat tire in Oklahoma. The dealer had no replacement and
the "Green Slime" repair kit cost $120 to replace. With only 6500 miles on
the car, he's already about ready to replace it.
The other had an alternator failure just after the warranty ran out (of
course). The engine must be removed to work on the alternator -- $700 for
a minor alternator failure. We visited a junk yard while in Tampa; there
was a Smart Car right by the entrance which we looked over -- it's obvious
why the engine had to come out, unless one wanted to use a Sawzall on the
body (which might not be a bad option). That avid GMCer is EXTREMELY
critical of almost every aspect of his diesel version.
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald wrote:
> The "Smart" is hardly a valid option here. Very small, and lots of
> "reasonably sized" vehicles with far higher utility and fuel consumption
> figures that are close to that of the "Smart."
> ...
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| Re: non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US? [message #236816 is a reply to message #236700] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 19:15 |
rcjordan
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>smart car guys had much more interesting ride
I was going to say that of the Smart crash videos I've seen, the body tub tends to stay intact but gets launched off toward the horizon.
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| Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014Dieseloffered in US? [message #236828 is a reply to message #236808] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 20:47 |
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USAussie
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Espen,
Obviously the Mercedes, however, all this test shows is that a smaller vehicle is not going to be as safe as a larger vehicle, If
the smart were to be replaced with an air cooled Beetle how do you think the passengers in the Beetle would fare. Better yet do the
test with a VW combie van!
When you are done with that test take the Mercedes and pit it against a Big Rig! I'd rather be driving the Big Rig! ;-)
Here's a video of a BIG SUV tangling with a big rig on YouTube, the SUV EXPLODES when it hits the Big Rig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78VUliiKbkU
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: Espen Heitmann
Yeah, I know Rob, but own one.. not so sure, please pick the one you would like to be in :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_472L2kLp0
Uhm.. there are some other smart crash videos out there, but they are really not something I want to post at this forum..
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| Re: non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US? [message #236835 is a reply to message #236700] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 21:28 |
mrgmc3
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Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US?
The EPA and CARB give no special dispensation for diesels. They have to meet the same emissions limits as gasoline (or anything else). Diesels produce considerably more NOx and particulates. The people that choose to certify diesels here do so with expensive aftertreatment (selective catalyst reduction "SCR" and diesel particulate filters "DPF"). VW, Mercedes and GM have committed to clean diesels. It sounds as if Nissan chose not to follow this path.
Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa
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| Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US? [message #236857 is a reply to message #236733] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 06:38 |
jhbridges
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Having been the second owner of a bunch of diesels, I can tell you, the second owner wins. All but the last ione run forever, let the firt owner take the hit.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
From: D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: GMC Mail List <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US?
The "Smart" is hardly a valid option here. Very small, and lots of "reasonably sized" vehicles with far higher utility and fuel consumption figures that are close to that of the "Smart."
And Diesel fuel prices now would require fuel mileage of probably at least 20% higher than gasoline vehicles to give any advantage. My own experience with Diesel (2004 F-250) and the greatly higher maintenance costs told me that it was an overall bad deal. Quoth the raven "Nevermore."
Getting service for a Smart is another kettle of smelly fish. Only one dealer (if even still open) in the whole state of Oklahoma.
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~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~~ k2gkk @ hotmail dot com ~~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:38:25 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US?
>
>
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> rcjordan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 10:19
> > Price is high, but it's hot in Europe and read that mpg...
> >
> > 74 mpg, auto parking and more tech than a space shuttle.
> >
> > http://www.redferret.net/?p=42263
> >
> > http://www.auto123.com/en/car-reviews/new/2014-nissan-qashqai-first-impressions?artid=159746
> >
> > (I'm not keen on the 'more tech than a space shuttle' aspect -prefer KISS- but this still looks like a good car for the US market.)
>
> Some of us have had diesels most of our driving lives. Those that didn't got a bad taste from the Olds diesels of the late 70s. They pretty much soured the American public on the idea, and now with the tight rules on diesel dust (proven to be a non-issue by five very serious and complete studies) they are difficult to make cost effective. That is why we can't get the diesel smart here either, but I can go across the river and buy one.
>
> That is also part of why hybrids aren't selling in Europe. Electric power is more expensive (like it will be here very soon (not an opinion - coal power is soon to be rendered uneconomic by EPA rules) and the little diesels get better overall fuel economy and cost less.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCES Going to MontgomeryThe majestic, once snow covered glacier Chaumière is in for the winter.
> '73 Glacier 23 With 4 Rear Brakes that pull as they should
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014Dieseloffered in US? [message #236893 is a reply to message #236828] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 10:36 |
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| USAussie wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 21:47 |
Espen,
Obviously the Mercedes, however, all this test shows is that a smaller vehicle is not going to be as safe as a larger vehicle, If the smart were to be replaced with an air cooled Beetle how do you think the passengers in the Beetle would fare. Better yet do the test with a VW combie van!
When you are done with that test take the Mercedes and pit it against a Big Rig! I'd rather be driving the Big Rig! 
Here's a video of a BIG SUV tangling with a big rig on YouTube, the SUV EXPLODES when it hits the Big Rig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78VUliiKbkU
Regards,
Rob M.
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Rob,
I have always driven smaller cars. Someone asked once if I wasn't afraid of what would happen if I got hit by a truck. I told them I wasn't worried. I said this because I already knew what the result would be regardless of what I was driving.
There is a reason I know.
At one time I drove a brick hauling truck. It had a GVW over 70K. I was loaded with brick (the heaviest possible load) and was forced to run over the back half of a Fairlane (the driver in the front was only cut by flying glass). It was about like driving a normal car over a railroad crossing. I expect that doing the same for a El Dorado would be like a bad railroad crossing (maybe).
Matt
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| Re: non-GMC: Why isn't the Nissan Qashqai 2014 Diesel offered in US? [message #236903 is a reply to message #236700] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 12:14 |
rcjordan
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>difference in mileage no longer offsets the difference in fuel price
Largely agree. All-in-all, I can't beat the balance of convenience and cost-of-ownership that the gas-burning Honda Fit provides.
But for whatever the reason -fud, complexity, gov conspiracy- there is now a lack of diesel mechanics relative to our mainstream stuff and that scarcity has translated into higher costs. It's offset, in some cases, by longevity. But in a society that still wants new and space shuttle instrumentation and heated leather seats longevity don't get much traction.
Me, I've been driving throwaway beaters and have a target of 10-cents-per-mile cost of the vehicle and major maintenance. Been doing it for years and can still do it (though it's admittedly harder). That Elio, if it comes out anywhere near $6800 and is even modestly reliable will hit my target fairly easily. That's the calculation I made before tossing $100 into the pot.
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